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To my surprise, the Biker kit actually has been quarter-assedly redone. The early kit had a solid torso and head, when they redid it in 3rd/4th edition, they added a split torso usable by normal marines.

Would it be, theoretically likely, for GW to do something like. Drop the 10 man tactical squad, increase the 5 man to 20 quid, but then add in the command sprue?

A sort of more subtle price hike. - We're giving you less stuff, but it's slightly cheaper!

 kronk wrote:
I rather like the basic space marine kit.

Easy to assemble, you can add other shoulder pads, works with the devastator, assault marine, and other kits just fine.

I'm into the HH kits from FW now, though. Sigh...

It is getting long in the tooth though; really bad mold lines, lots of detail blurring, etc. I love the interchangability between the Marine lines (Making my Franken-Honour Guard was quite enjoyable) but the molds need to be replaced and some design tweaking wouldn't be bad for a number of their kits. Terminators in particular have crappy poses, and little detail. I got some for free, and looking at them closely, I'd never pay $10 a model for them.

Marines are the oldest plastic line in production aren't they? It's basically them and Cadians which are about as old as plastic comes, and many of the designs haven't aged well.

I'm not against new ones, mind you. Not at all, actually.

I'm just saying that they've held up fairly well. I haven't run into any increased mold line issues, though. They've been about the same as I've had in the past. Some of the Chaos Space Marines (basic CSM kit) I've done recently were horrible. If you've had some like those, I understand your point completely.

Aren't the Catachans older than the Cadians?

 SickSix wrote:
Yeah, I think they would have to murder the UM fluff to give them any kind of 'special sauce'.

There's no special sauce in Iyanden, so I don't see why you think there would be any in Ultramarines. Having a few chapter relics isn't being non-codex, it's having a history.

Tho, for the record, I am against supplemental books.

 pretre wrote:
Aren't the Catachans older than the Cadians?

Yes, by more than a few years as I recall them being the only plastic guard for a long time.. The Eldar Guardians I don't believe have been drastically redesigned any more than the Space Marines. Not sure when the Ork Boyz came out, but they're up there as well. The Tyranid warriors and gaunts are over a decade as well.

Most of the armies had their basic troops in plastic before 2003 or so; some have held up reasonably well (Tyranid Warriors still look cool IMO) and others not so much (Necron warriors look cool on their own, but don't seem to mesh with the overall look anymore).

starting to feel this ed of 40k is becoming Mechhammer.. DISLIKE

 Sgt.Roadkill wrote:
starting to feel this ed of 40k is becoming Mechhammer.. DISLIKE

Do you mean MonstrousCreatureHammer?

Because I've been led to believe it most definitely is NOT Mechhammer?

Unless my definition (lots of transport vehicles) is different than yours?

Yeah, 5th was mechhammer. 6th is Flyer/MC hammer.

Heh. MC Hammer.

5th was "My Black Templars are walking, thank you very much" hammer.

6th will be the same when they give me a new codex or suppliment.

All I want to see is SOUL DRINKERS Rules....

i.e Sarpedon with "The Hell" rules

Tellos = indestructible berserker

Greavus = wields Power Axe at normal Init.

Lygris = some awesome Techmarine power would be tits!!!

I think it's supposed to be "mech" as in "mecha".

I don't have any special sources or anything. and these are my own speculation, so take it as you will:

Space Marines will see the same point cost reduction that was in Codex Dark Angels, with the exception of perhaps seeing the point cost of the flyers increased to be "on par" with the points costs of other 6th ed fliers.

I don't think they are going to make Dreadnoughts, or any sort of super dreadnought monstrous creature, because frankly, Dark Angels didn't get one.

I HOPE LIKE HECK: that the new vanilla codex doesn't totally negate any reasons to continue to play my Dark Angels.

They won't.

You have troop terminators, bikes with twin-linked plasma, and some other nifty gismos that Space Marines won't be getting.

I'm not entirely certain that C: SM will keep bike troops with a bike captain, but we'll see.

I agree with you on the point reduction. I'm betting that the C: SM Tactical squads will nearly be a copy/paste.

 pretre wrote:
So UM will get a supplement to add in their special sauce...

Their special sauce is catsup

If I see those ultramarines get a supplement before us, there will be the iron price to pay.

Nah. There are more UM players than Black Templar players. I have no problem with that.

<--- BT player.

I actually really hope they don't introduce much in the way of new units. I feel like the number units in the Space Marine codex is pretty far-reaching, and I'd rather not see some arbitrary new stuff added just for the sake of it. Sure, if there's a new artillery piece to go with the Thunderfire Cannon for a dual plastic kit or whatever, that'll be fine, I just don't want to see some new giant robot or second flier for Marines. I just want updated rules and a new Predator kit with decent sponsons.

Remember, Marines will already end up with 2 flyers in their codex without adding any new models.

 Compel wrote:
Remember, Marines will already end up with 2 flyers in their codex without adding any new models.

Hah, you're right! I always forget about the Stormraven. Just proves my point that we don't need another flyer dualkit!

 Brother SRM wrote:
Hah, you're right! I always forget about the Stormraven. Just proves my point that we don't need another flyer dualkit!

GW releases are not about our needs, they are about their needs, and they need a big expensive kit, so that the few customers left will bring as much revenue as double the number of customers a few years ago

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
Hah, you're right! I always forget about the Stormraven. Just proves my point that we don't need another flyer dualkit!

GW releases are not about our needs, they are about their needs, and they need a big expensive kit, so that the few customers left will bring as much revenue as double the number of customers a few years ago

Hence why they won't release new troop sculpts.

 Krinsath wrote:
It will be a DreadKnight-style baby carrier, but for a Dreadnought! It will be called the DreadKnightNought, and will cost $120.

I think DreadKnightNought deserved an exalt.

5 man Space Marine boxes seems likely imo.

Also, this new thing where they now excise 20% of the codex and sell it as a separate supplement is just amazing.

 Kirasu wrote:
Hence why they won't release new troop sculpts.

DE Wyches/Warriors, Necrons Immortals, GK strikes and Terms, DA from DV tacs, terms and bikes. Chaos from DV 'chosen'.

 pretre wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Hence why they won't release new troop sculpts.

DE Wyches/Warriors, Necrons Immortals, GK strikes and Terms, DA from DV tacs, terms and bikes. Chaos from DV 'chosen'.

These are all different. Dark Eldar sculpts were never going to sell as they were, Necron Immortals and Grey Knights of all flavors were metal before, and what's in the starter set isn't the same as a multipart troop kit.

Let's not forget that codexes were only £12 about 4 years ago...

 Brother SRM wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Hence why they won't release new troop sculpts.

DE Wyches/Warriors, Necrons Immortals, GK strikes and Terms, DA from DV tacs, terms and bikes. Chaos from DV 'chosen'.

These are all different. Dark Eldar sculpts were never going to sell as they were, Necron Immortals and Grey Knights of all flavors were metal before, and what's in the starter set isn't the same as a multipart troop kit.

So under those criteria, other than SOB, who still needs a troop kit?

Just on the rumour of the potential of being 5 man tactical squads, and 5 man space marine boxes, nearly all 40k troop and squad choices are boxes of 5, especially if they are elite units. Also, the only non 5 man space marine box is the 10 man tactical box, which I doubt GW will get rid off, after all it is probably one of their biggest sellers.

 pretre wrote:
Heh. MC Hammer.

Sorry that couldn't be said without this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo


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 Brother SRM wrote:
I actually really hope they don't introduce much in the way of new units. I feel like the number units in the Space Marine codex is pretty far-reaching, and I'd rather not see some arbitrary new stuff added just for the sake of it. Sure, if there's a new artillery piece to go with the Thunderfire Cannon for a dual plastic kit or whatever, that'll be fine, I just don't want to see some new giant robot or second flier for Marines. I just want updated rules and a new Predator kit with decent sponsons.

This. However with a November release I couldn't realistically think that GW would be OK with this. There will be new units I just hope they are sensible ones. Not a giant mech for the sake of it or another SM flyer. They could always create new bikes but I doubt that too.

 pretre wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
Ultramarines really, really shouldn't get a supplement. They are the original codex chapter for goodness sake.

Did you miss the part where he said that Codex: SM was going to be generic for all marines? So UM will get a supplement to add in their special sauce...

Ultramarines are generic space marines, there is nothing special about them.