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I have no idea about the GK codex, but would it be possible for them to add the baby-carrier to the general SM codex? Bit like how they made the Stormraven available? Saves them money on a new sculpt, yet pushes out more sales (after a price increase no doubt).
If not do you think it's likely they'll copy-paste a lot of the aesthetic from that model for the new SM one, or would that be too small?
Suddenly I'm yearning for solid leaks/pics even though it's months away.

They'd have to re-sculpt it anyway because of all the GK iconography on it.

Are there any actual rumors in this rumors thread? Is there a source? It sounds a lot like wishlisting and extrapolation from the Iyanden book...

Big models, new apo book... that will be fun.

IMO, it's about time to have a new SM codex. I played Raven Guard and I hope they'll have new stuff to create a full assault army without being BA.

hellpato wrote:
Big models, new apo book... that will be fun.

IMO, it's about time to have a new SM codex. I played Raven Guard and I hope they'll have new stuff to create a full assault army without being BA.

Raven Guard gets Dragon sized Crow themed vehicle that carries Assault troops in it's feet.....

GG

 generalgrog wrote:

hellpato wrote:
Big models, new apo book... that will be fun.

IMO, it's about time to have a new SM codex. I played Raven Guard and I hope they'll have new stuff to create a full assault army without being BA.

Raven Guard gets Dragon sized Crow themed vehicle that carries Assault troops in it's feet.....

GG

This

White Scars will also get the oppurtunity to mark scar their units in different ways to give them special abilities.

 Kolath wrote:
Are there any actual rumors in this rumors thread? Is there a source? It sounds a lot like wishlisting and extrapolation from the Iyanden book...

1. No.
2. No.
3. It is.

So far I haven't seen anything from reliable rumour-mongers or heard anything from my (somewhat less-than-reliable) inside sources to indicate that there will be a big 'mecha' thing for space marines. Given what I do hear they are getting, I'm going to guess that they will not be joining in the monstrous walker party this edition...

 generalgrog wrote:

hellpato wrote:
Big models, new apo book... that will be fun.

IMO, it's about time to have a new SM codex. I played Raven Guard and I hope they'll have new stuff to create a full assault army without being BA.

Raven Guard gets Dragon sized Crow themed vehicle that carries Assault troops in it's feet.....

GG

ahhh...The eagles are coming! ....

It's not like the concept hasn't been used before.

eh, they'll have to fill the oval base slot, my guess is an elite upsized version of a dreadnought (and then make dreadnoughts available to be taken in groups up to 3, but still sold separately).

I'm also betting on another rhino variant - perhaps something with a melta or plasma turret and heavy bolter sponsons?

Finally, I'd be willing to bet the Thunderfire Cannon either gets removed, recast as a plastic kit or turned into a terminator shoulder-mounted weapon option akin to the cyclone missile launcher.

I just hope they don't mess up the Master of the Forge. I rather like having 5 dreadnaughts in my army with a conversion beamer. Just don't mess that up and I'll be happy.

Typically they dont prevent certain builds from being used, such as things that become troops will still stay troops. Other things becoming troops however is possible. I think it will be similar to the iyanden book in that anything that can become troops will still be able to become troops, however they might have other special rules that work with specific troops better than a general army.

Fingers crossed for jump packs on a Captain making assault squads troops!

Plastic Techmarines would be ace too.

Widdershinz wrote:
Fingers crossed for jump packs on a Captain making assault squads troops!

Plastic Techmarines would be ace too.

That would be great, that way Blood Angels could actually have a good codex without being forced to run a "totally not white scars" mech list.

 Kolath wrote:
Are there any actual rumors in this rumors thread? Is there a source? It sounds a lot like wishlisting and extrapolation from the Iyanden book...

Well there's the stuff Hastings has mentioned in terms of model releases for Codex: Space Marines:
- New 'suits' in size between terminators and dreadnoughts.
- 2 new vehicles based on the Rhino chassis.

I put a lot more stock in Hastings' rumours than this bunch, so I wouldn't expect any new flyer (as they already have 2) or any sort of large Walker or Monstrous Creature for the next Codex: Space Marines.

Puscifer wrote:
You can't nerf a Marine Son.

They are the cornerstone of 40k.

As for Necrons being a solid release with good rules... JUST NO!!! I stopped playing Necrons because of the new rules. Broken beyond belief, the models were subpar and the fluff was all fist bumpy friendly BULL****!!!

Dark Eldar though, got it right.

That was my favourite release.

I LOVE the Necrons. I have loved them for 10 years. I HATE the fluff now. I LOVED when they were the misterious race of 40k. Fluff told by the races who crossed paths with them. Necron NEVER spoke nor wrote thier own fluff. Matt Ward destroyed them.

Want 40k to improve? Matt Ward needs to go. Period.

This is where it sucks to be DA!! Marines get new dreads and stuff and DA don't.

 ph34r wrote:

Widdershinz wrote:
Fingers crossed for jump packs on a Captain making assault squads troops!

Plastic Techmarines would be ace too.

That would be great, that way Blood Angels could actually have a good codex without being forced to run a "totally not white scars" mech list.

Umm... aren't assault marines troops in the BA codex anyway?


I just hope they don't do what they seem to love doing recently which is climbing the tallest ladder they can find, dropping their kecks, then taking a massive dump over all the established and cherished fluff of their long term gamers. It's all either to cram an unnecessary new vehicle/monster in or appeal to 9 year olds. Codex fluff really seems to be leaning towards predictable B movie stereotypes, not the kinda good cos its so awful ones either.

 Krinsath wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
They did with the Dark Eldar, didn't they?

Yes, so the answer is technically 2.5 years ago if memory serves.

However, that was also a wholesale revamp of the entire range; I think maybe Drazhar and the "Dark Eldar Prisoners" were the only portions to be carried forward and I'm not even sure of them.

Since then I'm not really recalling them doing anything of a re-vamp of plastic; it's been moving from FineCast to plastic and/or new units. Now, if any line would get such a thing now, it'd probably be the Space Marines, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Tactical marines were already mentioned.
Land Speeder was redone with some extra options and a better fitting hull.
Assault marines were redone to a consolidated sprue (previous version had backpacks on separate sprue and individual frames for the marines, like the old tactical squad).
The space marine bikes themselves are a recut if I'm not mistaken, with an improved driver model.
Orks were recut a few years back, taking their 16-model box down to 11 models (but with added nob and special bitz ooh-er!).

There are almost certainly others (tyranid range for example). GW's not averse to retooling plastic models when they figure that the long-term profits will outweigh the costs. I'd be much more surprised to see a retooling of the baneblade than any small troop choice.

 Mark1130 wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
You can't nerf a Marine Son.

They are the cornerstone of 40k.

As for Necrons being a solid release with good rules... JUST NO!!! I stopped playing Necrons because of the new rules. Broken beyond belief, the models were subpar and the fluff was all fist bumpy friendly BULL****!!!

Dark Eldar though, got it right.

That was my favourite release.

I LOVE the Necrons. I have loved them for 10 years. I HATE the fluff now. I LOVED when they were the misterious race of 40k. Fluff told by the races who crossed paths with them. Necron NEVER spoke nor wrote thier own fluff.

You mean the time before the 3rd Edition book, when they were a WD list? That was when they were a mysterious and unknown threat, told only by the few survivors. Then the codex came along in 3rd and ecided they were slaves to the C'Tan, who by the way were responsible for nearly everything. Ward was trying to make the Necrons distinct, instead of writing a second Codex: C'tan and minions.

angryboy2k wrote:

Tactical marines were already mentioned.
Land Speeder was redone with some extra options and a better fitting hull.
Assault marines were redone to a consolidated sprue (previous version had backpacks on separate sprue and individual frames for the marines, like the old tactical squad).
The space marine bikes themselves are a recut if I'm not mistaken, with an improved driver model.
Orks were recut a few years back, taking their 16-model box down to 11 models (but with added nob and special bitz ooh-er!).

There are almost certainly others (tyranid range for example). GW's not averse to retooling plastic models when they figure that the long-term profits will outweigh the costs. I'd be much more surprised to see a retooling of the baneblade than any small troop choice.

All of these things happened 5 or more years ago. Most of the Marine recuts happened in 2004. Not exactly a strong case for it happening again any time soon.

 BryllCream wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
Ultramarines really, really shouldn't get a supplement. They are the original codex chapter for goodness sake.

Did you miss the part where he said that Codex: SM was going to be generic for all marines? So UM will get a supplement to add in their special sauce...

Ultramarines are generic space marines, there is nothing special about them.

wrong

Honor Guard, Tyranid veterans, and honor company are all unique and non-codex sanctioned formations of the Ultramarines. With the exception of honor company which is shared by the Ultramarines and successors. I urge you to research a little about these formations for yourself.


Desperate times call for desperate measures even for the Ultramarines.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mark1130 wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
You can't nerf a Marine Son.

They are the cornerstone of 40k.

As for Necrons being a solid release with good rules... JUST NO!!! I stopped playing Necrons because of the new rules. Broken beyond belief, the models were subpar and the fluff was all fist bumpy friendly BULL****!!!

Dark Eldar though, got it right.

That was my favourite release.

I LOVE the Necrons. I have loved them for 10 years. I HATE the fluff now. I LOVED when they were the misterious race of 40k. Fluff told by the races who crossed paths with them. Necron NEVER spoke nor wrote thier own fluff.

You mean the time before the 3rd Edition book, when they were a WD list? That was when they were a mysterious and unknown threat, told only by the few survivors. Then the codex came along in 3rd and ecided they were slaves to the C'Tan, who by the way were responsible for nearly everything. Ward was trying to make the Necrons distinct, instead of writing a second Codex: C'tan and minions.

Old necrons were a pretty face with a few blemishes, new necrons are more like a slapped arse. Distinct, but not in a good way.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

angryboy2k wrote:

Tactical marines were already mentioned.
Land Speeder was redone with some extra options and a better fitting hull.
Assault marines were redone to a consolidated sprue (previous version had backpacks on separate sprue and individual frames for the marines, like the old tactical squad).
The space marine bikes themselves are a recut if I'm not mistaken, with an improved driver model.
Orks were recut a few years back, taking their 16-model box down to 11 models (but with added nob and special bitz ooh-er!).

There are almost certainly others (tyranid range for example). GW's not averse to retooling plastic models when they figure that the long-term profits will outweigh the costs. I'd be much more surprised to see a retooling of the baneblade than any small troop choice.

All of these things happened 5 or more years ago. Most of the Marine recuts happened in 2004. Not exactly a strong case for it happening again any time soon.

Why not? Do sprue recuts occur at regular intervals? Is there a time limit in which GW should recut all sprues or not bother ever doing it again? Also, the ork boyz were recut in 2007, so there's no real pattern to the timing anyway. We could just as well talk about the logic in when GW decide to upgrade codexes.

In short, the timing is completely irrelevant. The question is whether or not GW are willing to retool perfectly usable models and put them onto new sprues. They obviously are - and in a number of cases did nothing to update the models except add a few upgrades. It's entirely within the realms of possibility for GW to release new bike sprues with just updated riders. Maybe they'll put them in a three pack to improve their production efficiency or something.

What about the Tyranid War Veterans, Land Raider Terminus, the special characters, etc?

But erm...I'm still waiting for that Land Raider that can transform into a Mega-Dreadnought with spring-loaded missiles.

Son, we really need to talk about this spring-load thing.

 6^ wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
Ultramarines really, really shouldn't get a supplement. They are the original codex chapter for goodness sake.

Did you miss the part where he said that Codex: SM was going to be generic for all marines? So UM will get a supplement to add in their special sauce...

Ultramarines are generic space marines, there is nothing special about them.

wrong

Honor Guard, Tyranid veterans, and honor company are all unique and non-codex sanctioned formations of the Ultramarines. With the exception of honor company which is shared by the Ultramarines and successors. I urge you to research a little about these formations for yourself.


Desperate times call for desperate measures even for the Ultramarines.

...just so you know, it's actually very rude to simply say "wrong" in reply to someone.

All space marine chapters have honour guard.

Tyranid veterans are just sternguard.

As far as I can tell the Ultramarines Honour Company is simply a normal company of Ultramarines with a few successors thrown in, to protect the Cadian Gate.

So yeah Ultarmarines *are* codex standard.




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 Malika2 wrote:
What about the Tyranid War Veterans, Land Raider Terminus, the special characters, etc?

I can't find anything that suggests the Land Raider Terminus is ultramarines only, bar the fact that it has "Ultra" in its name. Special characters don't count.

angryboy2k wrote:

Why not? Do sprue recuts occur at regular intervals? Is there a time limit in which GW should recut all sprues or not bother ever doing it again? Also, the ork boyz were recut in 2007, so there's no real pattern to the timing anyway. We could just as well talk about the logic in when GW decide to upgrade codexes.

In short, the timing is completely irrelevant. The question is whether or not GW are willing to retool perfectly usable models and put them onto new sprues. They obviously are - and in a number of cases did nothing to update the models except add a few upgrades. It's entirely within the realms of possibility for GW to release new bike sprues with just updated riders. Maybe they'll put them in a three pack to improve their production efficiency or something.

It's also entirely within the realms of possibility for GW to lower prices, go back to metals or give a free handy with every purchase of a Battleforce or larger. Is any of that likely, based on their previous actions? No. People really need to stop latching onto unfounded rumours and wishlisting. Look at what GW has been doing the past few years, and accept that they will probably continue like that in the near future. And stop dredging up contrary examples from half a decade and two editions ago, because they are half a decade and two editions old.

I would just like to point out that the original information is not wishlisting or me just making it up.

The info came from a credible source that has been correct regarding all the past rumours and the description of new models.

I am not going to reveal said source, but I will say that he doesn't go on Dakka or any other wargaming web entity.

No challenge to your information was intended. I meant the people who latched onto the idea of existing SM plastics being updated.