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So it's either a sloppy throwaway or a little seed being planted

Honestly I think the scene was just poorly put together (in terms of actually portraying a concise brief history of Krypton). They'll probably fix it in a sequel since it had the side effect of leaving lots of wiggle room.

I bet it's Brainiac ... Justice League tie-in hoooooooo!

Speaking of Justice League do we have any word of Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter (would really love a Martian Manhunter film!), Aquaman, or Hawkgirl movies?

Please tell me that the current Green Lantern franchise isn't going to be a JL tie-in. I hate what they did to Hal Jordan and Sinestro.

 LordofHats wrote:
Speaking of Justice League do we have any word of Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter (would really love a Martian Manhunter film!), Aquaman, or Hawkgirl movies?

I haven't heard. MoS 2 was greenlit before opening weekend, however.

I think that it was intended to be but the reception was so bad for the film that they decided to boot it off the DC Movie continuity. Pretty sure the Movie continuity officially starts right now with Man of Steel (this would make sense as well as Super Man is often associated with ushering in the age of the Super Hero).

So, no more GL movies with what's-his-face, Ryan Reynolds?

Also, won't there be a Batman reboot for the JL?

Also, also, I hope Aquaman isn't as lame as Robot Chicken portrays him to be.

 Manchu wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
Speaking of Justice League do we have any word of Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter (would really love a Martian Manhunter film!), Aquaman, or Hawkgirl movies?

I haven't heard. MoS 2 was greenlit before opening weekend, however.

I know there's another Batman in the works so that's films for two of the founding members. I don't know. Justice League (and I like the Justice League a lot more than the Avengers) and the DC universe in general I've always felt suffer from the characters not being as iconic outside of Batman and Super Man. Sure we all know who the Justice League starting line up is, but I've never gotten the sense they're as popular on an individual basis as Marvel characters often are.

 LordofHats wrote:
Pretty sure the Movie continuity officially starts right now with Man of Steel (this would make sense as well as Super Man is often associated with ushering in the age of the Super Hero).

Based on what Nolan and others have been saying regarding the JLA movie, I'm going to suggest that it "starts" with the Dark Knight franchise and then Man of Steel. Nolan is going to have to convince Warner Brothers to treat the rest of their DC properties with more respect if they want to have a successful franchise across the board.

I thought the Dark Knight trilogy was being treated as its own separate continuity?

Iron Man used to be second tier as well, but the right actor in the right part with the right material...

Unless the "robin" is going to take over as Batman and have some non-Bruce Wayne Batman teaming up with Superman, it will be pretty hard to tie the Dark Knight trilogy into this series.

 LordofHats wrote:
I thought the Dark Knight trilogy was being treated as its own separate continuity?

While that *was* the case, the Wayne logo on the satellite is a Bat-signal that all bets are off now.

But I don't think they'll go quite the same route as Marvel with separate films for most of the characters. Heck, even in Avengers it was technically a different Hulk than either of the two films. You don't need perfect continuity, you just have to get the audience to the right general spot. Ideally Bale's behind the mask, but as long as you have a black armored suit, and some Bat-badassery does it really matter in terms of audience enjoyment? DC's characters are more iconic than most of the Avengers.

If I was writing the thing, I'd keep the initial lineup very tight -- Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern. I really like J'onn as a character, but he just requires too much additional material. Aquaman could actually work since casual fans know the character. He's the butt of a million jokes, but give him a couple badass scenes and great lines and he'd steal the movie a la the Hulk in Avengers. Still, he's at a lower tier to the big 5.

Figure Green Lantern gets the Hulk/Avengers treatment -- not exactly the same GL as the standalone film but it's still Hal Jordan and the same basic idea. You could also circumvent the issue by rolling with the John Stewart version to give the cast some needed diversity. Either way would be fine. The concept of GL is out there already.

That leaves Wonder Woman and Flash. WW is a majorly tricky character. Good writers have tried there and really struggled to bring that character to film. The current plan at WB for Wonder Woman is apparently an "Arrow"-style TV show. The idea there is probably more of a young Diana, allowing the movie character to be different but again getting the audience to the right place. Okay, fine, but they don't even have a pilot yet. The Flash is potentially movie material, but WB might not want to wait to develop a Flash movie.

One answer for WW and Flash is to have the JL movie introduce at least one of them. Maybe the plot involves the Amazons in an important way, or Barry gets his powers as a result of something that happens in the film. Then you spin one or both of the characters off into standalone films after the JL movie.

 gorgon wrote:

One answer for WW and Flash is to have the JL movie introduce at least one of them. Maybe the plot involves the Amazons in an important way, or Barry gets his powers as a result of something that happens in the film. Then you spin one or both of the characters off into standalone films after the JL movie.

That's actually a fair point. Also, as you say, if they use a new guy for Batman, does he really need ANOTHER intro movie?

I doubt Bale would return, though. The way they ended that series, it wouldn't make any sense. Robin/Nightwing, however, might work.

I bet the first JL movie is more like World's Finest + WW.


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 kronk wrote:
Also, if the use a new guy for Batman, does he really need ANOTHER intro movie?

I think yes given that Batman Begins is not necessarily the Batman origin story. Nolan's Batman existed in a world by himself, vis-a-vis superheroes. The new Batman exists in a world where Superman is possible. That's a dramatic difference. Just off the top of my head, I don't think you need Bruce Wayne to be as fethed up as he was in Batman Begins if he lives in a world where Superman is possible.


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 kronk wrote:
Robin/Nightwing, however, might work.

Nah, Superman and Batman are best friends. And I mean Clark and Bruce. This is one of the cornerstones of JL.

 Manchu wrote:
I bet the first JL movie is more like World's Finest + WW.

Also totally workable. Clark and Bruce team up and the Amazons/Diana are somehow involved too. They cooperate, say "hey this works" and it ends with them coming up with an idea. Then in JL2 a more proper JL is formed with GL and Flash joining in. That leaves plenty of room for story.

And agreed on Clark and Bruce.


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Okay, so back on MoS.

Why was one pod in the scout ship not just empty but opened? Thoughts?

 gorgon wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
I thought the Dark Knight trilogy was being treated as its own separate continuity?

While that *was* the case, the Wayne logo on the satellite is a Bat-signal that all bets are off now.

That doesn't mean anything. They announced before The Dark Knight Rises released that another Batman film was in the works. They can easily reboot the character to make him more compatible with the other films.

Justice League is awesome on the grounds it should mean we get a new Wonder Woman movie.

Wonder Woman; The comic character who never gets any justice (pun!) in film. I'd like to see a well done Wonder Woman movie. She has a great background and a lot can be done with her character. Though personally I'd like a wardrobe change. I've always found her stars and stripes outfit horribly out of date for the modern character.

Meh. Justice League never did it for me. I wouldn't go see that.

 Manchu wrote:
I think yes given that Batman Begins is not necessarily the Batman origin story. Nolan's Batman existed in a world by himself, vis-a-vis superheroes. The new Batman exists in a world where Superman is possible. That's a dramatic difference. Just off the top of my head, I don't think you need Bruce Wayne to be as fethed up as he was in Batman Begins if he lives in a world where Superman is possible.

I don't think Batman existed in a world where there were no other heroes, or is incompatible with such a world, just that none were ever mentioned. Remember, Batman didn't really have a national presence like we see in the comic books. He was just a guy fighting crime in one city so it's nature that his movies would focus only on that.

Batman may also have either been the first superhero chronologically with the events of Superman happen after DKR. It's also possible that with the advent of more heroes in the world and public knowledge of space aliens, that Bruce comes out of retirement to help establish the JLA. This assumes that there will be no mention of the JSA as they don't really fit in with the current mythos without a lot of clumsy shoehorning.

 Manchu wrote:
Nah, Superman and Batman are best friends. And I mean Clark and Bruce. This is one of the cornerstones of JL.

And I can see the JLA movie as establishing the framework for this friendship. Batman keeping Superman honest and Clark reminding Bruce that he doesn't have to shoulder the burden alone.

 rubiksnoob wrote:
Meh. Justice League never did it for me. I wouldn't go see that.

If we're talking "Super Friends" version then I whole heartedly agree. If we're seeing something more mature like the Avengers if they were grown-ups then it could be really cool.

 Manchu wrote:
I bet the first JL movie is more like World's Finest + WW.

 LordofHats wrote:
Wonder Woman; The comic character who never gets any justice (pun!) in film. I'd like to see a well done Wonder Woman movie. She has a great background and a lot can be done with her character. Though personally I'd like a wardrobe change. I've always found her stars and stripes outfit horribly out of date for the modern character.

Maybe her modern costume will boat your float.

Yeah. Way better (though not a fan of the black color). I remember hearing she got a costume change awhile back but didn't know if it was still in effect. I saw a fan art once of Wonder Woman as a Greek Hoplite and thought the look was wonderful. Something along the lines of Sophita from Soul Calibur but with a lot less emphasis on the cleavage and red and blue colors:



Her old costume was just so her WWII origins never going away.

Sophia's costume isn't armor so much as themed club wear. XD

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Sophia's costume isn't armor so much as themed club wear. XD

Use some imagination man XD

 Breotan wrote:
I don't think Batman existed in a world where there were no other heroes, or is incompatible with such a world, just that none were ever mentioned.

This isn't really a provable point but just in terms of style the world of Nolan's Batman doesn't seem to do well with stuff like, as Kronk pointed out earlier, Superman accelerating in flight.

To me, a Justice League version of Batman really *needs* to be Bruce Wayne. Luckily, with the Nolan version it's still highly believable that he just *would not* be able to put the cowl down for long. Maybe something threatens the planet and he feels he must come back, maybe something happens to no-really-he's-not-gonna-be-Robin-ok-he-totally-is Blake, or maybe even to Selina... who knows.

 LordofHats wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Sophia's costume isn't armor so much as themed club wear. XD

Use some imagination man XD

With that outfit I don't have to!

but no I know what you're going for, it's just... such an easy thing to make jokes about yes?

Thats half the fun