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Nolan's Bruce Wayne could easily put the cowl back on. The Batman Inc. explanation would be all that is necessary with even some small dialogue suggest reports of several Batmen appearing in major cities around the word, Bruce is simply setting up franchises. But if something was threatening humanity on the right scale he would come back and still be able to maintain anonymity as he could be any one of a dozen individuals.

 Manchu wrote:

Nah, Superman and Batman are best friends. And I mean Clark and Bruce. This is one of the cornerstones of JL.

Did you miss the part where batman snuck his way into Lois's panties during the Batman/Superman movie? they respect each other, they understand each other, but I can't see a guy snagging my gf for a quickie then tossing her aside as "best-friend" material. I realize that's not canon, but in most of the media portrayals, they aren't buddy/buddy.

 gorgon wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I bet the first JL movie is more like World's Finest + WW.

Also totally workable. Clark and Bruce team up and the Amazons/Diana are somehow involved too. They cooperate, say "hey this works" and it ends with them coming up with an idea. Then in JL2 a more proper JL is formed with GL and Flash joining in. That leaves plenty of room for story.

And agreed on Clark and Bruce.


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Okay, so back on MoS.

Why was one pod in the scout ship not just empty but opened? Thoughts?

There's a prequel comic that explains it...

In most portrays Batman/Superman have a difficult relationship due to their differing views and ideals (Superman is optimistic and trusting, Batman is cynical and paranoid). That shouldn't be confused with them not being close friends. The relationship between Batman and Superman is one of the most iconic friendships in comics because it is always strained. Always at this teetering point where these two titans of justice could suddenly go from being close allies to being bitter enemies all while attempting to achieve the same goals with similar means.

Okay, the first movie basically established Clark as taking up the mantle of Superman. Next movie will have to involve Lex Luthor and some sort of PR campaign against Superman after what he and Zod did to Metropolis. But who will be the big super villain? Will they go to Braniac immediately or will they just drop a few hints and save him for the third film? And if not Braniac, who?

I'd expect a dual villain role from Lex and someone else. Most likely Brainiac, or maybe Metallo or Bizarro? Doomsday would be cool.

I doubt we'll see Darkseid for awhile. They'll want to save that one for Justice League or something of comparable scale.

Bizarro? I hope not. He's very silly. Like Mitzllpix.

He's silly but I think he can be reimagined as a more serious villain and would fit in well with a Lex Luthor looking to either beat Super Man or control him.

The Bizaro as a clone of superman can be done seriously. Bizaro from an alternate dimension where me am not able to talk wrong, that would be silly.

Ohhh...good call on a Lex'ed up Metallo!

Just looking back Metallo was always one of Super Man's more threatening antagonists and in the Super Man Animated Series he was created by Lex Luthor. Pretty sure it'll be Brianiac though. He's by far Sup's most famous antagonist after Lex and the one everyone will be waiting for.

 Alpharius wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I bet the first JL movie is more like World's Finest + WW.

Also totally workable. Clark and Bruce team up and the Amazons/Diana are somehow involved too. They cooperate, say "hey this works" and it ends with them coming up with an idea. Then in JL2 a more proper JL is formed with GL and Flash joining in. That leaves plenty of room for story.

And agreed on Clark and Bruce.

this is the only way there should be a crossover

Doomsday appearance?

I think an appearance be Doomsday, even a brief one, would be great.

Though maybe it would be cooler to save Doomsday and the 'Death of Superman' for a film where it can have a real emotional impact, maybe after a second one firmly establishes Super Man's role as a beacon of hope.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I realize that's not canon, but in most of the media portrayals, they aren't buddy/buddy.

No, that's not true at all. In most portrayals, they are quite good friends.


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 LordofHats wrote:
In most portrays Batman/Superman have a difficult relationship due to their differing views and ideals (Superman is optimistic and trusting, Batman is cynical and paranoid). That shouldn't be confused with them not being close friends. The relationship between Batman and Superman is one of the most iconic friendships in comics because it is always strained. Always at this teetering point where these two titans of justice could suddenly go from being close allies to being bitter enemies all while attempting to achieve the same goals with similar means.

Yeah, this is pretty much what I've taken away from decades of reading DC comics.

 Alpharius wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I bet the first JL movie is more like World's Finest + WW.

Also totally workable. Clark and Bruce team up and the Amazons/Diana are somehow involved too. They cooperate, say "hey this works" and it ends with them coming up with an idea. Then in JL2 a more proper JL is formed with GL and Flash joining in. That leaves plenty of room for story.

And agreed on Clark and Bruce.


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Okay, so back on MoS.

Why was one pod in the scout ship not just empty but opened? Thoughts?

There's a prequel comic that explains it...

Spoiler:

It was Kara...maybe! Either her or some psycho Kryptonian.

Wait!? REALLY!?

Yesssssssssssssss

I really hate it when you need to buy a comic book to explain something that happens in a movie. :/

 kronk wrote:

Also, also, I hope Aquaman isn't as lame as Robot Chicken portrays him to be.

The Young Justice version (And Justice League version as well to a smaller extent) really portray him in a positive light.

 LordofHats wrote:
Yeah. Way better (though not a fan of the black color). I remember hearing she got a costume change awhile back but didn't know if it was still in effect. I saw a fan art once of Wonder Woman as a Greek Hoplite and thought the look was wonderful. Something along the lines of Sophita from Soul Calibur but with a lot less emphasis on the cleavage and red and blue colors:



Her old costume was just so her WWII origins never going away.

I don't think that's quite the right look, but the hoplite approach would be a winner methinks. Remember that her clothing was originally fetish wear because her creator had certain...interests and ideas. It's still amazing that more people don't realize the character's kinky roots. So turn that corset into more of a cuirass, give her a Roman legionary style leather skirt, greaves instead of boots, full forearm guards in place of bracelets, etc. Not only would it work better onscreen, it'd make her the warrior she's supposed to be instead of a dominatrix.

Back on topic, I just researched that prequel comic, and Great Rao, it looks like Kara and Dev-Em were in that ship. Dev-Em!

 Manchu wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I realize that's not canon, but in most of the media portrayals, they aren't buddy/buddy.

No, that's not true at all. In most portrayals, they are quite good friends.

Do you typically go around carrying something in your pocket that would kill your best friend if he let power go to his head? I'm actually serious-they have a common goal, they get along, but Batman has no issue with destroying Superman if he has to. And in the media, they do have issues. I can't say for comics. Superman animated series: Bruce nails Lois (implied), Supes gets pissed. Lego Batman 2: he finds Superman a pain in the ass and annoying, there's been a bunch of antaganism in JL, and more that I'm too tired to remember. I've got every DC animated movie though, plus all animated series as well, and while they are as good of friends as Batman can be with someone...that's kind of like saying deer road kill is better than frog road kill. That is the analogy you guys get when I've been up since 5am. Accept it.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Batman has no issue with destroying Superman if he has to.

Batman has made a point throughout his career as a crime fighter to plan for everything. It is entirely feasible that Superman could go dark side (heck Batman has on many occasions seen him come close). That doesn't mean they're not good friends or even that they don't trust each other. It is simply a recognition by one of them that they are powerful beings and it is foolish to think that they are infallible. You can even interpret it as the ultimate bond of trust. Batman will kill Superman if he ceases to be who he is and becomes one of the monsters he fights because unlike everyone else Batman has to deal with, killing Superman is really the only way to stop him.

Also, are you sure you've seen every animated feature? Justice League Doom made this aspect of Batman's character rather clear (Crisis on Two Earths also exemplified this extreme nature of Batman's character and how he associates with his fellows).

Yeah Batman is the only man on earth with the knowledge and capability to kill every superhero on the planet!

Batman always wins!

Oh yes, I have Doom: bought it the day it came out. I realize it was a contingency plan for each of them. That said, Batman does always carry around a chunk of kryptonite. And I think the justice lords episode of justice league shows better how the heroes switch due to events, rather than the crisis movie, as that involves caricatures of the heroes, with people who are similarly gifted, but not the same people.

 d-usa wrote:

Spoiler:

Ah yes. The Batman Gambit at work

 skyth wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Also, also, I hope Aquaman isn't as lame as Robot Chicken portrays him to be.

The Young Justice version (And Justice League version as well to a smaller extent) really portray him in a positive light.

He is also one of the single most obnoxious characters to fight against in "InJustice: Gods Among Us"...

In regards to the "Wonder Woman Hoplite Costume", I think it's from "Flashpoint". I know I have a "Flashpoint" skin for Diana on InJustice that makes her look very much like a warrior queen rather than a supermodel.
Long flowy cloak, hoplite styled helmet with a spiked plate on the helmet, etc.
It's a really nice skin I think.

And in Justice League Doom, Superman actually gives Batman a piece of Kryptonite at the end in case he does go off the deep end...

Post-Crisis, Clark gave Bruce Luthor's kryptonite ring as insurance against him being mind-controlled, etc. In the New 52, they're still friends and Bruce openly shared with Clark that he has contingency plans/weapons for every JL member (save one) in the event that they go rogue.

Manchu is absolutely correct in saying that they've been friends in almost every incarnation for decades.

 gorgon wrote:
Post-Crisis, Clark gave Bruce Luthor's kryptonite ring as insurance against him being mind-controlled, etc. In the New 52, they're still friends and Bruce openly shared with Clark that he has contingency plans/weapons for every JL member (save one) in the event that they go rogue.

Manchu is absolutely correct in saying that they've been friends in almost every incarnation for decades.

Even The Dark Knight Returns showed it as more of a strained relationship then two guys who actually hated each other. Clark didn't have to go hang out at Wayne Manner and warn him, nor did Clark say anything when he realized that Bruce faked his death

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Quite.

One would suggest that's amongst the reasons Clark didn't kill Bruce straight away. You'll note Miller showed how he could have.

I don't think the Nolan version of Batman will have anything to do with the supes/any JLA continuity.

What I think will happen is that the destruction caused by the kryptonian invasion and Superman's public debut will inspire/force other people with powers to step out of the shadows or become active.

Thus Superman will inspire or usher in the new age of heroes/what you want to call it, which mirrors nicely what happened ( more or less) in comic book history and in the current Dc continuity.

Batman can -- like in the current comics -- have been active for a while before, but just have been viewed as an urban myth.

Obviously the Guardians of the Universe will, presumably, have had their attention directed to earth by events.

Hell throw in freaky alien technology and side effects thereof and you could have quite a few revised/rejigged origins straight away.