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2013/06/18 14:16:41
Subject: [SPOILERS] Man of Steel discussion Thread
One would suggest that's amongst the reasons Clark didn't kill Bruce straight away. You'll note Miller showed how he could have.
I don't think the Nolan version of Batman will have anything to do with the supes/any JLA continuity.
What I think will happen is that the destruction caused by the kryptonian invasion and Superman's public debut will inspire/force other people with powers to step out of the shadows or become active.
Thus Superman will inspire or usher in the new age of heroes/what you want to call it, which mirrors nicely what happened ( more or less) in comic book history and in the current Dc continuity.
Batman can -- like in the current comics -- have been active for a while before, but just have been viewed as an urban myth.
Obviously the Guardians of the Universe will, presumably, have had their attention directed to earth by events.
Hell throw in freaky alien technology and side effects thereof and you could have quite a few revised/rejigged origins straight away.
I suspect LuthorCorp may also receive a significant boost from captured remnants of Kryptontech.
While we're throwing ideas out there, the Amazons could be repositioned Thor-style as something more alien/otherworldy than mythological/godlike. Heck, isn't Themyscera basically extradimensional as is? Then that can drive the narrative over to a certain other undesirable place populated by alien-gods with particularly bad attitudes and one Mr. Stoneface. Diana is sent as an emissary to warn the world about the threat, etc.
Not sure if they'd want to use the big guy as the baddie the first time out, but the writers can definitely make WW and JL work. Again, I think it'll be important to keep the team extra-tight to allow room for story. The Avengers, like most of the Marvel films, was a fun and lighthearted if formulaic romp, but this new wave of DC films seems to be shooting for something more than that.
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I suspect LuthorCorp may also receive a significant boost from captured remnants of Kryptontech.
While we're throwing ideas out there, the Amazons could be repositioned Thor-style as something more alien/otherworldy than mythological/godlike. Heck, isn't Themyscera basically extradimensional as is? Then that can drive the narrative over to a certain other undesirable place populated by alien-gods with particularly bad attitudes and one Mr. Stoneface. Diana is sent as an emissary to warn the world about the threat, etc.
Not sure if they'd want to use the big guy as the baddie the first time out, but the writers can definitely make WW and JL work. Again, I think it'll be important to keep the team extra-tight to allow room for story. The Avengers, like most of the Marvel films, was a fun and lighthearted if formulaic romp, but this new wave of DC films seems to be shooting for something more than that.
I'd have Luthor "field testing" gadgets and the like both to use against Supes/any similar alien invaders -- maybe even Solaris ! -- which means he can unleash all manner of mutants and beasties on Metropolis, or even have him be the source of the tech for people like the Rogues gallery who could then be fighting the Flash who got his powers after the Mcguffin ray from the invaders showered him in chemicals and etc etc yadda yadda.
Then I'd look at putting Cyborg in the film -- he's in the league now/a founding member -- just swap out 4th world/Darkseid influence for Brainiac probes/similar.
.. helps avoid it being the league of extraordinary white and essentially middle class guys with 1 woman too.
Maybe indeed have Themyscera been an outpost hidden away on Earth, the rest of the Amazonia xenos civilisation destroyed by Brainiac in the past.. they detect his approach, so Diana goes off to help them out.. and wackiness ensues !
.. maybe position J'onn Jon'zz as a Silver Surfer/ herald type of guy for Brainiac -- sticks the tongue out at marvel for the Thanos/darkseid rip off and means we can have some wodnerful moment where he changes sides after being moved by beauty of human spirit / unquenchable thirst for freedom/love/ a cat etc etc yadda yadda kind of thing.
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2013/06/18 15:21:25
Subject: [SPOILERS] Man of Steel discussion Thread
reds8n wrote: Then I'd look at putting Cyborg in the film -- he's in the league now/a founding member -- just swap out 4th world/Darkseid influence for Brainiac probes/similar.
MoS2 could introduce Cyborg. Here's how I'd frame it:
While the rest of the world is in shock over the events of MoS, Lex Luthor is the one man who wasn't surprised. He's known about aliens (if not specifically Kyrptonians) and he's been planning for their arrival. Rather than a mad realtor, this Lex is a billionaire genius xenophobe who is as fascinated by xenotech as he is repulsed by it. He offers to spearhead the rebuilding of Metropolis to (1) engineer a smear campaign against Supes and (2) recover Kryptech in hopes of creating his own anti-xenos supermen.
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Still, I don't know how I'd feel about a slug fest between Lex and Supes after seeing Supes fight Zod. Could make for a good line about how Superman has learned to fight smarter and hold himself back. Superman can defeat pretty much anybody without much question. As Lex knows, the trick is Superman wants to limit collateral damage. For this reason, he'd make a good movie 2 villain. Move 3, maybe post JLA, would then be Doomsday where a more mature Superman would really get hurt.
Superman's greatest weakness is not Kryptonite; his greatest weakness is actually his greatest strength -- his conscience. Lex's suit is indeed a ordinance-delivery mechanism but the payload isn't Kryptonite, it's Lex's manipulative way of making moral truths (which Superman relies on) unclear. There's a great line from Red Son where Brainiac calculates that Lex could talk Superman into committing suicide in less than 14 minutes.
Manchu wrote: Still, I don't know how I'd feel about a slug fest between Lex and Supes after seeing Supes fight Zod. Could make for a good line about how Superman has learned to fight smarter and hold himself back. Superman can defeat pretty much anybody without much question. As Lex knows, the trick is Superman wants to limit collateral damage. For this reason, he'd make a good movie 2 villain. Move 3, maybe post JLA, would then be Doomsday where a more mature Superman would really get hurt.
Lex and Metallo vs. Superman allows for cerebral and physical combat.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2013/06/18 16:41:53
Subject: [SPOILERS] Man of Steel discussion Thread
Manchu wrote: Still, I don't know how I'd feel about a slug fest between Lex and Supes after seeing Supes fight Zod. Could make for a good line about how Superman has learned to fight smarter and hold himself back. Superman can defeat pretty much anybody without much question. As Lex knows, the trick is Superman wants to limit collateral damage. For this reason, he'd make a good movie 2 villain. Move 3, maybe post JLA, would then be Doomsday where a more mature Superman would really get hurt.
I agree. Luthor represents asymmetric warfare against Clark -- not tackling him toe-to-toe, but instead using others, influencing public opinion, and using both extremely illegal methods and the law as weapons. It's a similar concept to Batman and the Joker, although the details are obviously quite different.
Manchu wrote: Now that I've seen a good Superman film for this generation, I can't wait to see a good Wonder Woman film.
From what I understand, the only plan is "Amazon" which is the CW tv series being done by the guys behind "Arrow".
And note that there's no pilot in the works yet, which means the earliest it'd arrive is 2014. I imagine WB would be happy to shelve it if someone knocked their socks off with a WW feature film proposal.
I've been listening to the Man of Steel soundtrack for the past few days and I like it a lot. I love the John Williams theme (those three notes fairly cry out "SU-per-MAN") but it would not have worked in this kind of film. Zimmer's MoS score is still pretty percusion heavy but it's slightly more melodic than the Nolan Batman scores.
I particularly liked the part when Superman killed Zod, I think they handled that scene perfectly, however, it was ruined by a small child saying "what did he do?"
And they did seem to rebuild the city pretty quickly, but I don't have a problem with the "everything going back to normal at the end" Simpsons style ending.
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2013/06/18 17:21:19
Subject: Re:[SPOILERS] Man of Steel discussion Thread
I guess I just differentiate between a musical score/soundtrack from actual "music". Nolan's films are known for their lack of music, which I have always felt was a mistake as music really sets the tone and Nolan has always used it sparingly.
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