Trayvon Martin case: All female jury picked---Verdict Not Guilty

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**Frazzled**

TM's father testified? If not how did it get in?

**Jihadin**

TM father did not testify it was his son voice. Defense brought up documentation stating his original assestment of the screams on audio. Prosecution didn't think this through

**Dreadclaw69**

So the Defense called multiple witnesses who all stated that in their opinion it was Zimmerman's voice, and managed to remind the jury that Martin's father initially said the voice calling for help wasn't his son's.

Jihadin wrote:
TM father did not testify it was his son voice. Defense brought up documentation stating his original assestment of the screams on audio. Prosecution didn't think this through

Pretty good summation of their strategy for the entire case

**Jihadin**

I'm a bit concern that M family might really be at the point with Prosecution to slam a race card on this trial just for them to have a sense of justice.

**Dreadclaw69**

The race card has been played from the get-go

**Frazzled**

Thats how it got here.

**Dreadclaw69**

Pretty much. It was funny seeing the transformation from "White guy" to "White Hispanic" once the facts came out, and also those who doctored the tape of the 911 call for broadcast getting fired.

**Jihadin**

That's to get the trial...now think of the effect afterwards.

**Dreadclaw69**

Jihadin wrote:
That's to get the trial...now think of the effect afterwards.

That hopefully screaming "Racism" will not be tolerated where there is no evidence it is an issue?

**djones520**

Newest defense witness was Z's personal trainer. Described his training regimen, and pretty much explained that Z was a HORRIBLE fighter.

**Frazzled**

But he still took his money...

**Dreadclaw69**

djones520 wrote:
Newest defense witness was Z's personal trainer. Described his training regimen, and pretty much explained that Z was a HORRIBLE fighter.

Hehehe

That's one way to do it

http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-friends-insist-voice-screaming-help-183536624--abc-news-topstories.html

George Zimmerman's lawyer started his first full day of presenting his defense today by calling several of Zimmerman's friends and co-workers to testify that it was Zimmerman's voice screaming for help on 911 calls seconds before he shot teenager Trayvon Martin.
"It's Georgie," said family friend Sandra Osterman when asked about the screams. "I know it."
John Donnelly, who called Zimmerman a "dear friend," told the jury, "There is no doubt in my mind. That is George Zimmerman and I wish to God I did not have the ability to make the determination," he said, wiping his eyes.
Donnelly, a former Army medic during the Vietnam war, reinforced his opinion under cross examination by the prosecution.
"The voice screaming in that video is absolutely George Zimmerman, sir," he testified.
He rejected the suggestion that he would color his testimony to help his friend.
"This courtroom is about truth," Donnelly said.
Determining who is screaming on the tape could be key to the trial. Both Martin's mother and brother have testified that it was Trayvon Martin's voice.
When Zimmerman's defense began Friday afternoon, Zimmerman's mother told the court that it was her son screaming for help.
Zimmerman, 29, is charged with second degree murder for shooting Martin, 17, on Feb. 26, 2013. Prosecutors say the former neighborhood watch captain was profiling and following Martin. Zimmerman maintains that he shot the teenager in self-defense.
To prove second degree murder, the prosecution must show that Zimmerman acted with "ill will" and "spite."
During a cross examination of Osterman today, the prosecution played a part of Zimmerman's phone call to a police dispatcher in which Zimmerman is heard saying, "These a**holes always get away."
"When somebody tells the police that -- pardon my language -- these a**holes always get away, he is not upset?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked Osterman.
"I don't take it that he is angry," Osterman responded.
Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara asked if the language on the tapes indicated "ill will" or "spite," and she replied, "No."
Sandra Osterman's husband, Mark Osterman, is an air marshal who described himself as Zimmerman's best friend. He said the two talked about getting concealed weapons permits and how to carry the weapon.
"Having one in the chamber is something that has to be done," said Osterman.
He said he advised Zimmerman to keep a loaded round in the chamber of his gun, but preached firearms safety. During cross examination, prosecutors pressed Osterman who said that his recommendations were based on his law enforcement training.

Oh look, an outbreak of common sense over the round in the chamber

**Jihadin**

Sanford Police Det. Christopher Serino, the lead investigator in the case, testified that Tracy Martin and his girlfriend met with him one or two days after the shooting to “bring him up to speed” regarding the investigation. During that meeting, Tracy Martin did not recognize his son’s voice on the 911 recording, Serino told jurors.

“I let him listen first before I asked anything,” Serino said under questioning by lead defense attorney Mark O'Mara. “He looked away and under his breath, as I interpreted it, said, 'No.'”

The defense also called Sanford Police Officer Doris Singleton, who corroborated Serino's testimony, describing how she watched the distraught father as he listened to the tape.

"I was choked up myself because I have children," Singleton said. "To know that he was hearing the sound that ended sons life it was tough to watch.

"There was no doubt that he was telling us that it wasn't his son," she said.

Prosecution "kicked in the groin" twice.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/08/zimmerman-defense-to-continue-presentation-monday/#ixzz2YU4S0Up2

**Frazzled**

Don't worry, it will pass.

**Jihadin**

"

He came to the gym to lose weight and get in shape," Pollock said.

When O'Mara asked him to rate Zimmerman's athletic ability on a scale of one to 10 when he began training, Pollock replied, "Point-five."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/08/zimmerman-defense-to-continue-presentation-monday/#ixzz2YUWKtBOW

Seriously have to remember this to use on a troop...

**Frazzled**

Judge ruled defense can show TM had weed in his system?

Oh yea, this case is over.

**Dreadclaw69**

Frazzled wrote:
Judge ruled defense can show TM had weed in his system?

Oh yea, this case is over.

I don't think it ever really started.

**Jihadin**

Well dad saying it was M voice after hearing it for twenty times....and Z talking to dispatcher saying that M appears to "be on drugs"....I think the residents of FLA need to question some of these DA salaries.....

**Breotan**

I didn't think it was possible to find a prosecutor more messed up than that woman in the O.J. Simpson trial. Well, Florida, you certainly showed me.

**whembly**

Frazzled wrote:
Judge ruled defense can show TM had weed in his system?

Oh yea, this case is over.

Erm... how so?

Wouldn't weed be like... calming, non-aggressive... dude?

**pities2004**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
The race card has been played from the get-go

Please phrase yourself in a less inflammatory way. You are entitled to your opinion of course, but this kind of statement will only generate animosity. Opinions are ok, so long as Rule #1 is respected. MT11

**d-usa**

Even if he walks, I think the family will have a good case and a successful private wrongful death suit against him.

Looks like he may have a good shot at a private suit against the state.

**Jihadin**

TM was possibly in FNP mode....Z did say the individual looked to be on drugs......17 year old......think some of you all need to go look at your pics when your mental reality is a bit...elevated

**Monster Rain**

d-usa wrote:
Even if he walks, I think the family will have a good case and a successful private wrongful death suit against him.

Man, I strongly disagree.

There doesn't seem to be much evidence to suggest that Zimmerman was doing anything but defending himself.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Yeah it's hard to win wrongful death when you were assaulted.

Z will have solid cases against pretty much the entire MSM for slander and libel probably. As well as the state of Florida.

**d-usa**

But a civil case has a much lower burden of proof and a lower threshold for "did Zimmerman cause the situation that caused a death".

It will be much easier to get a majority of a jury to agree that Zimmerman "snooping around and being all shady and stuff while playing vigilante against a black kid" contributed to the situation that caused the death of Martin.

Remember that in a civil suit you are not trying to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman commited murder. You simply try to convince a group of people that he is X% to blame for the situation and the death.

We are talking about the justice system where people who get hurt while robbing other people can win judicial damages.

**Monster Rain**

I mean, they can give it a shot, but it'll be hard to sell the idea that someone was wrong for shooting someone who by practically all accounts was bashing their head into the pavement.

Sadly, your last point is very true.

**d-usa**

Monster Rain wrote:
I mean, they can give it a shot, but it'll be hard to sell the idea that someone was wrong for shooting someone who by practically all accounts was bashing their head into the pavement.

But a civil suit can make an argument like that.

Z shot M, so that is 100% of the blame.

But M attacked Z, so he is 100% to blame for his own death.

But M wouldn't have attacked Z if Z wasn't following him and harrasing a kid for being "black while shopping", so maybe he is 25% to blame for the death.

Not saying that is how it would go, but it's possible.

Sadly, your last point is very true.

You throw enough lawyers against a wall, one of them will be able to drag some dollars with him as he comes dragging down.

**KalashnikovMarine**

This is a tweet from Ali BlackPower Muhammad-Shakur of the St. Pete/Tampa New Black Panthers Party:
"ALL I KNOW IS I BETTER HEAR GUILTY... WE NEED TO BE MOBILIZING TOWARDS ‎#SANFORDFL WEDNESDAY HOW DOWN TO TRAVEL TALKING 30-40 CARS!!! ‎#JUSTICETM ‎#TRAYVONMARTIN"

This is 18 USCS § 2102:
(a) Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent -
(1) to incite a riot; or
(2) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry
on a riot; or
(3) to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or
(4) to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in
or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in
furtherance of a riot;
Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

We'll put a teenager in jail because a Canadian woman cyber-stalks him for making a snarky comment while playing a video game, but we won't arrest someone for making overt threats of inciting a riot in a national public forum?

**d-usa**

Despite what you are reading into this, there is not a single word on there asking for riots or violence.

It's not against the law for a punch of pissed off people to gather from around the country and stand somewhere to protest and look pissed. There is no thread in this tweet.

I would imagine they know better than to say "hey guys, lets riot and tear crap up if he gets off!"