cincydooley wrote:
Whembly, I was with that article until the last line, which sort of alludes to Zimmerman shooting Martin because of how he looked, which wasn't the case at al.

He shot him because he was getting his head beat against the ground.

 d-usa wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

As for Finland being homogenous country, that's not quite true any more. For example, of the three families that live in the same building as me only one is ethnically Finnish. Others are Russian and Vietnamese.

White. White. Asian. Diverse nationalities, to be sure, though.

I'm sorry, I found this statement hilarious.

Carry on, then...

That was one building. Somalis live in the next building...

Dude, please. There are more minorities in any medium sized American city than in your entire country.

Please don't pretend you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to racial diversity, especially when compared to the United States.

Europe and USA are pretty much equal there, so this pissing match can really stop.

 cincydooley wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

As for Finland being homogenous country, that's not quite true any more. For example, of the three families that live in the same building as me only one is ethnically Finnish. Others are Russian and Vietnamese.

White. White. Asian. Diverse nationalities, to be sure, though.

I'm sorry, I found this statement hilarious.

Carry on, then...

That was one building. Somalis live in the next building...

Dude, please. There are more minorities in any medium sized American city than in your entire country.

Please don't pretend you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to racial diversity, especially when compared to the United States.

Europe and USA are pretty much equal there, so this pissing match can really stop.

Finland /= Europe.

Relapse wrote:

 whembly wrote:
I'm just sick of all this... this was nothing more than to force fit a narrative, which was all about keeping black voters — and white-guilt liberal voters — in the fold for 2012 and 2014.

Where's the national out rage for this?

How about the enormous black on black crimes in Chicago?

Can we move on?

Need directions to Frazzled's house? Beer and Queso solves all world's problems... just don't mind the old armed man on the yard.

You are clearly a racist, sir, talking of such things!

 xole wrote:
I think a better question than what media stations Zimmerman is going to sue is...which ones can't he sue?

A juror in the George Zimmerman trial made her first public appearances since the trial reached its verdict on Saturday, saying race did not play a role in the jury’s decision but admitted she believes Zimmerman went "above and beyond" his role as a neighborhood watch member.

Juror B37, who asked to remain her anonymity, said she did not find the prosecution’s witnesses to be credible and that race did not play a role in the jury’s decision.

However, she also acknowledged her belief that Zimmerman went "above and beyond" in his decision to ignore police direction by confronting Treyvon Martin.

Appearing on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360,” she said neither she nor any of the other jurors discussed race when reviewing the case.

“I don’t think it did. If there was another person, Spanish, white Asian, if they came in the same situation as Treyvon did, I think George would have reacted the same way,” she said.

“I think all of us thought race did not play a role. We never had that discussion. I think he just profiled him because he was the neighborhood watch and he profiled anyone that was acting strange.”

However, she did acknowledge that the jury was initially split on the decision, saying that two jurors initially pushed for a manslaughter charge and a third pushed for a second-degree murder conviction. Eventually, all settled on not guilty verdict.

And in a revealing moment, the juror said Zimmerman went “above and beyond” acceptable action by confronting Martin.

“[Zimmerman] got displaced by the vandalism in the neighborhood and wanting to catch these people so badly that he went above and beyond what he should have,” she said. “It just went terribly wrong. I think he’s guilty of not using good judgment. When he was in the car and called 9-1-1 he shouldn’t have gotten out of that car.”

Juror B37 says she wants to maintain her anonymity but she has been willing to speak out on the case. As reported earlier on Monday, juror B37 announced plans to write a tell-all book about her experiences on the jury in the Zimmerman trial .

“Nobody knew exactly what happened,” Juror B37 said when asked about the specific details of the case. “I don’t think anybody knows.”

When asked if she feels sorry for the death of Treyvon Martin, she responded, “I feel sorry for both of them.”

“I think both of them were responsible for the situation they got themselves into,” she added. “I think they each could have made the decision to walk away.”

And in another revealing exchange, the juror said that while agrees with the decision to return Zimmerman’s gun, she at first appeared hesitant when asked if she would want him serving in her own neighborhood watch.

“I think he has every right to carry a gun. I think everyone has a right to carry a gun.”

But Juror B37 paused for several seconds when Cooper asked about serving on a neighborhood watch in her own community.

“If he didn’t go too far,” she said. “He didn’t stop at the limitations he should have stopped at. I would feel comfortable having George, but I think he’s learned a good lesson. I think he didn’t know when to stop.”

Juror B37 said she never wants to serve on a jury again. And admitted she has concerns about her own safety following the verdict.

“I’m not really scared but I want to be cautious,” she said. “We cried over it afterwards. I don’t think any of us could ever do anything like that again.”

Meh... NBC for sure...

Maybe CNN (but, kinda doubt that).

The only defense they have is that they'll claim that Zimmerman is a public figure. Not sure how that'll pass, but you never know.

 xole wrote:

Meh... NBC for sure...

Maybe CNN (but, kinda doubt that).

The only defense they have is that they'll claim that Zimmerman is a public figure. Not sure how that'll pass, but you never know.

True. Sorry, I keep forgetting that most of the crimes news companies commit aren't crimes when the news companies are the ones doing them. I'll return to lurking this thread.

Richard A. Jewell (December 17, 1962 – August 29, 2007) was an American police officer who, while working as a security guard for Piedmont College,[1] became known in connection with the Centennial Olympic Park bombing at the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta, Georgia, United States. Discovering a backpack filled with three pipe bombs on the park grounds, Jewell alerted police and helped to evacuate the area before the bomb exploded, saving many people from injury or death. Initially hailed by the media as a hero, Jewell was later considered a suspect. Jewell's case is considered an example of the damage that can be done by reporting based on unreliable or incomplete information.[2]

Despite never being officially charged, he underwent a "trial by media" with great toll on his personal and professional life. Eventually he was completely exonerated and Eric Robert Rudolph was later found to have been the bomber.[3][4] In 2006, Governor Sonny Perdue publicly thanked Jewell on behalf of the state of Georgia for saving the lives of those at the Olympics.[5]

After his exoneration, Jewell filed a series of lawsuits against the media outlets which he claimed had libeled him, primarily NBC News and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and insisted on a formal apology from them. L. Lin Wood was the lead attorney in all of Jewell's libel cases.[1][2][9][10]

In 2006, Jewell said the lawsuits were not about money, and that the vast majority of the settlements went to lawyers or taxes. He said the lawsuits were about clearing his name.[2]

Richard Jewell v. Piedmont College[edit]

Jewell filed suit against his former employer Piedmont College, Piedmont College President Raymond Cleere and college spokesman Scott Rawles.[9] Jewell's attorneys contended that Cleere called the FBI and spoke to the Atlanta newspapers, providing them with false information on Jewell and his employment there as a security guard. Jewell's lawsuit accused Cleere of describing Jewell as a "badge-wearing zealot" who "would write epic police reports for minor infractions."[1]

Piedmont College settled for an undisclosed amount.[11]

Richard Jewell v. NBC[edit]

Jewell sued NBC News for this statement, made by Tom Brokaw: "The speculation is that the FBI is close to making the case. They probably have enough to arrest him right now, probably enough to prosecute him, but you always want to have enough to convict him as well. There are still some holes in this case".[12] Even though NBC stood by its story, the network agreed to pay Jewell $500,000.[9]

Richard Jewell v. New York Post[edit]

On July 23, 1997, Jewell sued The New York Post for $15 million in damages and settled with the newspaper for an undisclosed amount.[13]

Richard Jewell v. Cox Enterprises (d.b.a. Atlanta Journal-Constitution)[edit]

Jewell also sued the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper. According to Jewell, the paper's headline, FBI suspects 'hero' guard may have planted bomb, "pretty much started the whirlwind".[10] In one article, the Atlanta Journal compared Richard Jewell's case to that of serial killer Wayne Williams.[14][15]

The newspaper was the only defendant that did not settle with Jewell. The lawsuit remained pending for several years, after having been considered at one time by the Supreme Court of Georgia, and had become an important part of case law regarding whether journalists could be forced to reveal their sources. The case was dismissed by Judge John R. Mather in December 2007, four months after Jewell's death. The paper claimed this was proof of the accuracy of their coverage.[16]

CNN[edit]

Although CNN settled with Jewell for an undisclosed monetary amount, CNN maintained its coverage was fair and accurate.[17]

In July 1997, U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, prompted by a reporter's question at her regular weekly news conference, expressed regret over the FBI's leak to the news media that led to the widespread presumption of his guilt, and apologized outright, saying, "I'm very sorry it happened. I think we owe him an apology. I regret the leak."[18]

 cincydooley wrote:

Dude, please. There are more minorities in any medium sized American city than in your entire country.
Please don't pretend you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to racial diversity, especially when compared to the United States.

 Crimson wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

Dude, please. There are more minorities in any medium sized American city than in your entire country.
Please don't pretend you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to racial diversity, especially when compared to the United States.

There are probably more people in a mid sized American city than in my entire country. And I certainly did not claim that Finland would be as multicultural as USA, that is obviously not true. I was merely saying that Finland no longer is quite as homogenous as it used to be. But situation is indeed many ways dissimilar. Most of our ethnic minorities are really recent arrivals,and they're from countries where culture is quite different. Some problems with multiculturalism stem from this, most stem from racist donkey-caves though. That's why it actually seems odd to me how most racial tension in USA is on black-white axis; from my perspective the cultural differences between these groups are generally rather negligible.

 d-usa wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

As for Finland being homogenous country, that's not quite true any more. For example, of the three families that live in the same building as me only one is ethnically Finnish. Others are Russian and Vietnamese.

White. White. Asian. Diverse nationalities, to be sure, though.

I'm sorry, I found this statement hilarious.

Carry on, then...

That was one building. Somalis live in the next building...

Dude, please. There are more minorities in any medium sized American city than in your entire country.

Please don't pretend you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to racial diversity, especially when compared to the United States.

Europe and USA are pretty much equal there, so this pissing match can really stop.

Finland /= Europe.

And Cincinnati /= the USA.

 d-usa wrote:

Europe and USA are pretty much equal there, so this pissing match can really stop.

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:

We have a long and complicated (and bloody) history stemming ultimately from slavery and the colonization of America. Hence the black-white divide.

 Crimson wrote:

Yes, of course. But It was weird how some people seemed to think that my Vietnamese and Russian neighbours really didn't 'count' as minorities as they were not black...

 kronk wrote:

1. I didn't think that at all, actually. I am fully aware that you were talking about nationality diversity. But a Russian and Finnish dude can stand next to me wearing the same clothes and you'd see 3 white guys.

2. I was mainly picking on you.

We have a long and complicated (and bloody) history stemming ultimately from slavery and the colonization of America. Hence the black-white divide

n 1940 the U.S. population was about 131 million, 12.6 million of which was African American, or about 10 percent of the total population. During World War II, the Army had become the nation's largest minority employer. Of the 2.5 million African Americans males who registered for the draft through December 31, 1945, more than one million were inducted into the armed forces. African Americans, who constituted approximately 11 per cent of all registrants liable for service, furnished approximately this proportion of the inductees in all branches of the service except the Marine Corps. Along with thousands of black women, these inductees served in all branches of service and in all Theaters of Operations during World War II.

During World War II, President Roosevelt had responded to complaints about discrimination at home against African Americans by issuing Executive Order 8802 in June 1941, directing that blacks be accepted into job-training programs in defense plants, forbidding discrimination by defense contractors, and establishing a Fair Employment Practices Commission (FEPC).

After the war, President Harry Truman, Roosevelt's successor, faced a multitude of problems and allowed Congress to terminate the FEPC. However, in December 1946, Truman appointed a distinguished panel to serve as the President's Commission on Civil Rights, which recommended "more adequate means and procedures for the protection of the civil rights of the people of the United States." When the commission issued its report, "To Secure These Rights," in October 1947, among its proposals were anti-lynching and anti-poll tax laws, a permanent FEPC, and strengthening the civil rights division of the Department of Justice.

In February 1948 President Truman called on Congress to enact all of these recommendations. When Southern Senators immediately threatened a filibuster, Truman moved ahead on civil rights by using his executive powers. Among other things, Truman bolstered the civil rights division, appointed the first African American judge to the Federal bench, named several other African Americans to high-ranking administration positions, and most important, on July 26, 1948, he issued an executive order abolishing segregation in the armed forces and ordering full integration of all the services. Executive Order 9981 stated that "there shall be equality of treatment and opportunity for all persons in the armed forces without regard to race, color, religion, or national origin." The order also established an advisory committee to examine the rules, practices, and procedures of the armed services and recommend ways to make desegregation a reality. There was considerable resistance to the executive order from the military, but by the end of the Korean conflict, almost all the military was integrated

 cincydooley wrote:
I think you underestimate the difference between inner city black culture and suburban white culture in the United States.

Whatever those differences are, I'm quite certain that compared to cultural differences between a Muslim from war torn Somalia and a average Scandinavian, they are rather slight.

 Crimson wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I think you underestimate the difference between inner city black culture and suburban white culture in the United States.

Whatever those differences are, I'm quite certain that compared to cultural differences between a Muslim from war torn Somalia and a average Scandinavian, they are rather slight.

Poor. Uneducated. Dirty. Surrounded by "militants" engaging in firefights and murder? Am I talking about Somalia or inner city Chicago?

 LordofHats wrote:

Poor. Uneducated. Dirty. Surrounded by "militants" engaging in firefights and murder? Am I talking about Somalia or inner city Chicago?

I'm sure I've said my share of absurdities in this thread but really man XD This takes the cake.

 Jihadin wrote:

Clarify. Somalia was my first combat deployment even though we were swapping C&C Hawks with 10th Mountain due to their aircrafts failing JACE inspections in a bad way. How slight is the difference from your perspective between Somali and a Scandinavian. One big difference off the bat between cultures. Is education.

 cincydooley wrote:

It's a bit hyperbolic, but the similarities are there.

My main point was to point out the stark contrast between that and white suburbia.

 Crimson wrote:


I still don't get what this has to do with justification for racial profiling. Why police has to stop LeVar Burton because some black people live in ghettos?

 Frazzled wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 whembly wrote:
I'm just sick of all this... this was nothing more than to force fit a narrative, which was all about keeping black voters — and white-guilt liberal voters — in the fold for 2012 and 2014.

Where's the national out rage for this?

How about the enormous black on black crimes in Chicago?

Can we move on?

Need directions to Frazzled's house? Beer and Queso solves all world's problems... just don't mind the old armed man on the yard.

You are clearly a racist, sir, talking of such things!

Sounds like its time for Fajita Night!

 cincydooley wrote:

What are you talking about?