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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 06:28:58
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 07:22:35
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Yep.
I feel bad for the dog. Its owner was a dumb ass that pushed the cops when he just didn't need to. And the cops showed poor judgement in reacting to this guy's nonsense. Only one that did as it ought to was the dog, and it got shot for its troubles.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 14:55:00
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 15:28:47
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Fixture of Dakka
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Shadowbrand wrote:Couldn't hear a word the man said. So I can't really judge the situation.
Considering this is American police i'll just file this under "They did it because he was black."
I hope you're just trying to be funny.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 16:16:43
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Frankly the only being in this whole video that had the moral upper hand was the dog.
The man had the right to yell random nonsense at the police. Despite what some posters believe, "distracting the police" is not actually illegal. However the police have a lot of vaguely written laws that their disposal to arrest just about anyone ("Disturbing the peace" is a perennial favorite, my NYPD aunt & uncle agreed on); and they can always drop the charge later after deciding you sat in holding long enough for not respecting their authoritah (which was the real offense, of course). So, while you can do it, just like you can walk up to the biggest guy you know and opine that all his muscles make him look stupid, in practice both of these ideas are ill-advised.
The police, of course, could have just walked the hell away. Was there a real crime being committed here? From the way they casually sauntered over it didn't exactly look like he was actively obstructing justice despite their claim. I can't imagine that a big-city cop could have either the time or the logistics to hold every person who yells comments at them (especially when those comments didn't appear to be obscene, from the portion of tape I saw, but again it was only a partial tape). This whole thing about how he had priors is just laughable tomfoolery and after the fact smearing to try and get a little dirt everywhere. His prior lawsuits were laughable irrelevant to the situation at hand and only the most hardcore apologist could believe otherwise - trust me, you don't want to walk down that path of arguing that if someone sues the state they somehow have less protection under law. Similarly, the idea they recognized him as a domestic batterer is both unlikely, for a population of 90,000, and most saliently not germane as he wasn't currently battering anyone.
Once the police and that guy worked hand in hand to escalate the situation, yes, it was OK to shoot the dog in the technical sense and I do not think the officer should face any punishment other than the standard review.
Ultimately no one is covered in glory on this.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 16:17:58
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Dakka Veteran
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I'm smart enough to know not to give a cop a hard time. They deal with a lot of crap as it is.
I'm sure some abuse their authority and I"m sure some are good people but labelling them all as one or the other would just be silly.
In this situation, I think it was lawful to arrest the man, and lawful to shoot the dog. Obviously I don't think it was the best way things could have happened, but if I were to be judged by how I act compared to how I could have acted, i would be in a lot of trouble indeed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 16:34:02
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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Ouze wrote:Frankly the only being in this whole video that had the moral upper hand was the dog.
The man had the right to yell random nonsense at the police. Despite what some posters believe, "distracting the police" is not actually illegal.
It is if they feel like you're interfering with them doing whatever it is they are trying to do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 16:52:04
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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So if I i yell at a police officer when a robbery is being committed, im perfectly ok?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 17:01:56
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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You might be.
Then again, you might not. Just not being an obnoxious ass in these situations can save you a world of trouble.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 17:17:21
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Monster Rain wrote:You might be.
Then again, you might not. Just not being an obnoxious ass in these situations can save you a world of trouble.
And your little dog, too. Apparently.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 17:19:34
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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Well the dog was a victim of his owner's need to bother the police, sadly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 0001/07/25 17:51:22
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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hotsauceman1 wrote:So if I i yell at a police officer when a robbery is being committed, im perfectly ok?
It depends on what you're yelling, how loud you're yelling it, and if the office in question believes, in his subjective opinion, if it has risen to the level of disturbing the peace or obstructing an investigation. So the correct answer is "maybe, but maybe not".
As always the best policy when dealing with the police is "Don't, voluntarily". There are a lot of good cops, a lot of bad ones, and plenty in between, but at the end of the day as a private citizen if they decide to beat the living hell out of you because shup up, that's why; chances are the worst punishment they will have is a (paid) suspension while they investigate and then find the officer was justified because you looked threatening. Treat them accordingly, and give them a wide berth. You see them doing something unlawful? Take video and post it on youtube send it to the media.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/07/03 17:56:08
lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 17:54:10
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Grim Forgotten Nihilist Forest.
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Dunno i'd sooner hail a serviceman/woman then a police officer. So your good in my books Jihadin.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 17:55:59
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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Shadowbrand wrote:Dunno i'd sooner hail a serviceman/woman then a police officer. So your good in my books Jihadin.
Why? Jesus, I really dont get the hate for officers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 17:57:10
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Some people just dig people in uniforms, and also they generally have handcuffs handy, which also can be a turn-on.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/07/03 17:57:52
lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 18:06:05
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Old Sourpuss
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I feel as though I missed something with Shadowbrand's post...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 21:13:50
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Ouze wrote:
Some people just dig people in uniforms, and also they generally have handcuffs handy, which also can be a turn-on.
Hehehehe
And that children, is why proof reading is important
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 21:36:12
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Mutating Changebringer
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Shadowbrand wrote:Dunno i'd sooner hail a serviceman/woman then a police officer. So your good in my books Jihadin.
Why? Jesus, I really dont get the hate for officers.
I live in Manchester, NH. Use some google-fu and you'll see why we all hate cops here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 21:38:16
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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All i get is the police department itself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 21:43:27
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Kid_Kyoto
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It's not too hard to understand why people could potentially hate other people who have power over them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 21:44:32
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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They only have power over you is you break the law.
Be a law abiding citizen=no bothering from the cops
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 21:47:06
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Mutating Changebringer
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Type in Bad Cops NH and the first thing is a video of a guy who got beat to a pulp by off duty officers outside of the Strange Brew Tavern.
Less than a week later cops stopped a woman (this was in the winter) and made her stand outside her car in a tank top.
She was shivering like crazy and asking if they could put her in one of the cars (while they illegally searched her car).
They kept telling her no. Meanwhile an older Vet was trying to sleep but they lights outside were driving him nuts.
He opened up his door and asked the cops to turn off their lights. They told him "Get the
please don't bypass the
language filter like this. Reds8n
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 21:49:32
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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Those sound like a reason not to trust those cops, not to distrust all cops in general.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 21:54:41
Subject: Re:Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Grim Forgotten Nihilist Forest.
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Hey if it's worth any value at all to you Hotsauce. I don't hate -all- cops. You know the ones that actually do their job. The ones that protect the people instead of fething tazering people to death. Beating people to the ground for video taping them on phones. Those guys are my friends. Not these asshats.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 22:01:01
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Kid_Kyoto
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hotsauceman1 wrote:Those sound like a reason not to trust those cops, not to distrust all cops in general.
Well, how do you determine the bad ones from the good ones? Especially when the bad ones are protected by the department? I mean, the Blue Code of Silence didn't start getting called that for no reason.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 22:02:41
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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All I know is I nearly cried when I saw the poor dog, and I thought the policeman was a complete gak for not giving it the coup de grace.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 22:02:51
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Mutating Changebringer
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hotsauceman1 wrote:Those sound like a reason not to trust those cops, not to distrust all cops in general.
I'll trust cops when they actually show up to a call.
I was once threated with deadly force by a Sheriff. So I ran inside a Rite-Aid and called the cops.
4 hours later they showed up. Despite the fact that I told them only that "A man with a gun is threating people at the Elm St. Rite-Aid."
When they did show up... the Sheriff was gone. But I know my cops... he was hiding in the area waiting for me to leave.
I asked the cops if they could follow me out of the parking lot and make sure that I left without being harassed.
Sure enough they spotted him in the parking lot of the Hippo paper. I was able to leave.
However I took out my rage on the Police and State police who actually did quite a bit of work trying to figure out what had happened.
Turned out the Sheriff was off duty... in the wrong county and had "borrowed" the vehicle he was in without permission.
Needless to say he got in a bit of trouble over it. Filing the report was great as the officers there with me while filling out my formal complain were telling me more stories about this guy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 22:04:10
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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Daedalus, It seems like you are saying to trust none of them since you can't trust some of them.
That's kind of silly.
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Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 22:16:18
Subject: Police arrest man for filming raid, shoot and kill his dog
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Kid_Kyoto
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Monster Rain wrote:Daedalus, It seems like you are saying to trust none of them since you can't trust some of them.
Well, what does it mean to "trust" them, anyway?
If I'm calling them, then I have little choice but to "trust" them. If I'm not calling them, then I best not be interacting with them, because I'm doing nothing wrong. Ergo, if I'm interacting with them because they initiated dialogue, something is terribly wrong, and I'm probably going to be very, very cautious.
I was simply offering justification for why people don't like them, and pointing out that you have no way to easily tell if the guy walking up behind your car is a decent guy or a power-tripping thug. And yes, I've met both. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kilkrazy wrote:All I know is I nearly cried when I saw the poor dog, and I thought the policeman was a complete gak for not giving it the coup de grace.
I was afraid of that, which is why I spared myself the video.
You gotta be careful about what you put into your head. You forget what you want to remember, and remember what you want to forget.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 22:21:49
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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Trust can mean a lot of things.
For the purposes of this discussion how about we you "not automatically ascribe malicious intent to" instead of trust since the semantics seem to be an issue here.
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Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
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Haters gon' hate. |
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