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 Micky wrote:
What the heck could we expect from this anyway... 7-10 Henchmen type models vs 10-15 cultist type models, maybe with a single Arbites and a single Inquisitor and maybe a single Aspiring Cult Leader or something?

What exactly is the model potential here?

Loki pretty much covered it but it will really depend if GW wants to make multipart plastics or single pose.

An Inquisitor/Henchmen kit with a ton of options would be an auto sell for me, I'd buy tons. But if it's Inquisitor Bob and his 4 henchmen, Johnny, Larry, Curly Joe and Murderella the killer dominatrix then I dunno.

I mean just for Inquisition henchmen we could name a dozen or more archetypes from 'Scum' to Tech Priests to Daemon Hosts to 31 flavors of warrior.

Similarly for cultists we have the normal cannon fodder in robes, but also all sorts of mutants, assassins, criminals, genestealer cultists, psykers, priests etc.

Ideally the game would have some sort of army list and weapon upgrades so we can build the force we want.

I would worry if it's more like Warhammer Quest where characters and their wargear are set in stone and you can only chose which are coming (ie the Ordo Malleus always has a daemon hammer and bolt pistol).

You guys had me at the thought of genestealer cultists and hybrids making a comeback.

I miss my ugly old hybrids. Those were some of the first minis I think I ever painted.

I'm curious if they'll include any kind of cover/ terrain features if they do go down the inquisimunda path.

I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

The game will be beloved, and be a big hit - but GW - still weary from the Dreadfleet fiasco - will only produce 500 copies world-wide to ensure it sells out.

I'm 100% behind the idea of this.

Also am I the only one who really wants to buy a limited edition Murderella the Killer Dominatrix model?

Not one suggestion of GorkaMorka so far? hmph.

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

As has been said, after what a fiasco that was, I don't see a return to naval games of any sort in GW's future.

I doubt we'd get multipart plastics with real options, no matter the box. All of the big box games have had snap-fit models with very little customization, whether it's 1989's Space Hulk, Battle for Skull Pass, or Dark Vengeance.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I doubt we'd get multipart plastics with real options, no matter the box. All of the big box games have had snap-fit models with very little customization, whether it's 1989's Space Hulk, Battle for Skull Pass, or Dark Vengeance.

That doesn't mean the options can't be in the rules. Having a snap fit Inquisitor with a Daemon Hammer, but rules for other weapons you can use buy buying more stuff from GW, won't hurt at all.

If they truly mean for this to be a gateway game, that's the logical thing to do.

I want Eisenhorn, the fething video game

 Yodhrin wrote:
Except for once it's nothing of the sort, unless you consider deriding JB's work as "scribbles" and claiming no model based on his work could fit in with 40K(despite him being one of their primary concept artists) to be high praise.

Criticism isn't "hate". Learn the damned difference.


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 DIDM wrote:
I want Eisenhorn, the fething video game

What style? The Bethesda "do whatever you want" style, or the Bioware "we have a set story but it's really cool if you get over how linear it is" style?

Honestly I'd take either!

 insaniak wrote:

 Micky wrote:
What the heck could we expect from this anyway... 7-10 Henchmen type models vs 10-15 cultist type models, maybe with a single Arbites and a single Inquisitor and maybe a single Aspiring Cult Leader or something?

What exactly is the model potential here?

It's anybody's guess, really.

There were a lot of models in Space Hulk. Not as many in Dreadfleet. Without some more idea of just what they're doing with this game, there is just no way to tell what will be in the box.

If you take all the terrain, islands, wreaks, and extra bits into account, there was way more plastic in the Dreadfleet box. Even if the total model count is lower. Space Hulk made that space up with all the cardboard tiles. If this is a Inquisitor game, will there be card board buildings to fight around, or plastic buildings even? Roughly 20 - 30 figs and plastic building terrain will make for a really big box. And really expensive one.....

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Except for once it's nothing of the sort, unless you consider deriding JB's work as "scribbles" and claiming no model based on his work could fit in with 40K(despite him being one of their primary concept artists) to be high praise.

Criticism isn't "hate". Learn the damned difference.

"Criticism" also isn't flippant sarcasm, you'd think a writer would grasp that simple concept.

Next you'll be telling me that "lol splotchy rubbish" is an insightful and valuable critique of Impressionism

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Except for once it's nothing of the sort, unless you consider deriding JB's work as "scribbles" and claiming no model based on his work could fit in with 40K(despite him being one of their primary concept artists) to be high praise.

Criticism isn't "hate". Learn the damned difference.


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 DIDM wrote:
I want Eisenhorn, the fething video game

What style? The Bethesda "do whatever you want" style, or the Bioware "we have a set story but it's really cool if you get over how linear it is" style?

Honestly I'd take either!

I'm thinking Skyrim style, you decide how true to the emp you stay and run free in a universe

it would be so big it would take a real big company to make, and I don't see the sales to pay for it


part mystery, part bad ass fighting with your posse, part interrogating the bejeebus out of fools, then eating well and flying in a personal space jet

YEA, badazzzzzzzzzzz

To me a skirmish game seems unlikely. Less than a year after the official end of specialist games, with free rules and they turn around and try and sell "new" rules? I would think most of the people interested would probably pass on a limited edition rulebook that's going to run 75 to 90 dollars depending were you live.

 Mecha_buddha wrote:
To me a skirmish game seems unlikely. Less than a year after the official end of specialist games, with free rules and they turn around and try and sell "new" rules?

Not unlikely at all. The skirmish game in Specialist Games was based around 2nd edition. The game, fluff and imagery has prgressed since then. In a time when they're consolidating fluff and IPs, letting an old, out of date IP go and recreating the game style under a new collective IP is a smart move.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Micky wrote:
What the heck could we expect from this anyway... 7-10 Henchmen type models vs 10-15 cultist type models, maybe with a single Arbites and a single Inquisitor and maybe a single Aspiring Cult Leader or something?

What exactly is the model potential here?

Loki pretty much covered it but it will really depend if GW wants to make multipart plastics or single pose.

An Inquisitor/Henchmen kit with a ton of options would be an auto sell for me, I'd buy tons. But if it's Inquisitor Bob and his 4 henchmen, Johnny, Larry, Curly Joe and Murderella the killer dominatrix then I dunno.

I mean just for Inquisition henchmen we could name a dozen or more archetypes from 'Scum' to Tech Priests to Daemon Hosts to 31 flavors of warrior.

Similarly for cultists we have the normal cannon fodder in robes, but also all sorts of mutants, assassins, criminals, genestealer cultists, psykers, priests etc.

Ideally the game would have some sort of army list and weapon upgrades so we can build the force we want.

I would worry if it's more like Warhammer Quest where characters and their wargear are set in stone and you can only chose which are coming (ie the Ordo Malleus always has a daemon hammer and bolt pistol).

I think you just described them making Necromunda with a Inquisition vs. cultists setting. That would be awesome.

If that's what they do I could get behind that. But like you said, it's probly just warhammer quest.

I would buy an inquisitor led skirmish game straight away.

Models can always be changed for something better so I don't really care about that, but if the concept works and is good, then I'll be putting away the old RT book and giving this one a try in its place.

 DarthSpader wrote:
when the local store ran a campaign shortly after release, someone showed up with a warband of 5 space marines. completly curb stomped anything out there.

The GM should have put a stop to that or evened the sides up on the spot.

Meh, hope it still is Blood Bowl. Else it'll be another year with not a single GW purchase

 insaniak wrote:

The limited edition Space Hulk was quite possibly the best boxed game that GW have ever released. Hell, even Dreadfleet was nicely done... it just suffered from the fact that GW apparently didn't think they actually needed to try to sell it. People knew what Space Hulk was, and even if they didn't care about that game could use the minis in other games. Dreadfleet by contrast needed to sell entirely on its own merits... but for that to work, GW needed to put a lot more effort into getting people interested than they did.

Heading off the rumour mill earlier probably would have helped as well. I can't help but wonder if some of the lack of interest in Dreadfleet was people being disgruntled because it wasn't Warhammer Quest or Bloodbowl as was rumoured. If GW actually gave some sort of advance word on what they were working on, that would have been headed off much earlier and there would have been much less disappointment at the final release as a result.

I thought the main problem with Dreadfleet was that it was quickly regarded as far too random and a hugely tedious way to spend 3 hours?

I was going to buy it, because I like the idea of standalone games, but I haven't seen a single review of it that wasn't warning people not to bother.

Yes it could have done with more marketting, but if it was a bad game it was never going to do well once the reviews got out.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

As has been said, after what a fiasco that was, I don't see a return to naval games of any sort in GW's future.

Unless they think the issue is with it being fantasy naval, and have seen how popular X-Wing is becoming and want a piece of that action.

It'd still suffer the same problems as Dreadfleet; a complete unknown without any real company/fan backing or nostalgia effect.

I doubt we'd get multipart plastics with real options, no matter the box. All of the big box games have had snap-fit models with very little customization, whether it's 1989's Space Hulk, Battle for Skull Pass, or Dark Vengeance.

Yeah it'll be monopose snap-fits, especially if it's a limited run.



I was hoping it'd have been Bloodbowl, as I'd probably have bought it. If it's a new inquisitor game I probably won't unless the mini's are too good to pass up, as my skirmish needs are pretty well met now.

As much as I love Blood Bowl, I am really liking the sound of this Inquisition game.

If it is this there is so much potential for a great game. Awesome Inquisition and ret models is an auto buy for me.

Here hoping

I don't get why people are getting hung up on the minis that might be coming with it. You can use anything from anywhere and 99% of the fun with retinues is coming up with conversions and individual characters.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Meh, hope it still is Blood Bowl. Else it'll be another year with not a single GW purchase

Still don't understand why it would be Blood Bowl when the original is still on sale.

there is a gap in their line for a basic starter game, especially because the Hobbit sets simply aren't working due to cost (which is probably made worse by a hike in New Line licensing costs). Something self-contained that acts as a gateway to 40K would make a lot of sense.

Remember, too, that they have a lot of new production and design capacity since they did Dreadfleet, so I"m hopeful it will be something a lot bigger, in concept and execution, than Blood Bowl. I didn't buy Dreadfleet (who did?) but there were some very cool concepts in there, like the printed sheet, which made it much more than a simple board game. Hopefully they'll retain that but keep the concept like Space Hulk, something that complements their other product rather than being a total contrast.

They will probably release both if it is true. after all Blood bowl is allready "here" the rules are basically already written, it would not need many tweeks anyway.

A skirmish Inquisitor game would be rather cool. And could be used in addition to 40k Campaigns. Like I use necromunda for mine. (for instants a small group of chaos loyalists are attacking a Underground bunker to take down the orbital defenses. For the incoming Chaos thunderhawks ETC)

What if it is just Inquisitor geared for 28mm?

I would either Bloodbowl or Inquisition. But one little thing, i heard a small, thing a few months ago from a guy running my local GW store at the time, saying perhaps the return of Warhammer Quest, or something similar to it, but it may have been wishing.
Also on Eisenhorn game, it would have to be Bioware as those stories are linear, and have no real areas for sidequests which stop you doing the main quest FOREVER, as you can do in Skyrim. At least with Bioware games you have to do the main bit.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

As has been said, after what a fiasco that was, I don't see a return to naval games of any sort in GW's future.

I doubt we'd get multipart plastics with real options, no matter the box. All of the big box games have had snap-fit models with very little customization, whether it's 1989's Space Hulk, Battle for Skull Pass, or Dark Vengeance.

It doesn't need to be a naval game to be a Dreadfleet like fiasco...

I predict a box with with 10-15 individual miniatures, all of them characters of some sort ranging from an Inquisitor to a Cultist, an Eldar, a DE, a Chaos Marine, etc, all of them represented by a character card and playing a set of canned missions with absoluteness no expandability beyond a few new missions released in a WD 1 month after the game releases.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
I don't get why people are getting hung up on the minis that might be coming with it. You can use anything from anywhere and 99% of the fun with retinues is coming up with conversions and individual characters.

Because some people don't like converting? Alternate models I'll give you, I raised that point already. I'm not a converter though - I'd rather have some nice models ready to go.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
I don't get why people are getting hung up on the minis that might be coming with it. You can use anything from anywhere and 99% of the fun with retinues is coming up with conversions and individual characters.

When you're buying a miniature game that comes with miniatures, wanting those miniatures to be good is generally not an irrational desire...

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

As has been said, after what a fiasco that was, I don't see a return to naval games of any sort in GW's future.

I doubt we'd get multipart plastics with real options, no matter the box. All of the big box games have had snap-fit models with very little customization, whether it's 1989's Space Hulk, Battle for Skull Pass, or Dark Vengeance.

I don't think he meant naval games, I think he meant GW interpreting "gateway" and "cinematic" to mean "Draw a card and half the enemy models die."

Nobody hated Dreadfleet because it was naval, they hated it because the rules were the single worst set of rules GW had ever printed. (Including the games where you dropped the dice in a boxlid.)


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Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
I would either Bloodbowl or Inquisition. But one little thing, i heard a small, thing a few months ago from a guy running my local GW store at the time, saying perhaps the return of Warhammer Quest, or something similar to it, but it may have been wishing.
Also on Eisenhorn game, it would have to be Bioware as those stories are linear, and have no real areas for sidequests which stop you doing the main quest FOREVER, as you can do in Skyrim. At least with Bioware games you have to do the main bit.

I would have welcomed the return of WHQ a year ago, since FFG doesn't quite get it with Descent, but thanks to the Kickstarters for Kingdom Death, Galaxy Defenders, Myth, and probably a couple others I'm forgetting, the "longform cooperative game where nobody's stuck being the GM" is gonna be a bit sewn up.

If one of the "tactics cards" is named virus bomb... that will be a pretty good day.