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 dementedwombat wrote:
If one of the "tactics cards" is named virus bomb... that will be a pretty good day.

I don't need anything so specific. Exterminatus sounds good enough for me

Anything that includes "Virus Bombs" of any sort has gotta be good.

5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.

Ah another stormy day in Sidsville I see.

Come join us on the good ship Wishlister and hope that there is some kernel of truth in this rumour. Not long till September!

 Sidstyler wrote:
5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.

Odd. I could have sworn that Space Hulk and Dread fleet both sold for somewhat less than $1000, even here in Oz, but I may be misremembering...

 insaniak wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.

Odd. I could have sworn that Space Hulk and Dread fleet both sold for somewhat less than $1000, even here in Oz, but I may be misremembering...

Even their main systems are far below 1000$ per army...

 insaniak wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.

Odd. I could have sworn that Space Hulk and Dread fleet both sold for somewhat less than $1000, even here in Oz, but I may be misremembering...

The hate is strong in this one

Maybe it is neither Blood Bowl nor Skirmish, but DREADFLEET APOCALYPSE!

Gigantic new ships. Even more water. Unique strategems for large-formations of the same ship!

Have you been longing to finally field your entire US$ 1,000.- + collection of Dreadfleet ships in a single game? This is your chance to do so!!!

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

Battlefleet Gothic in-a-box would be a shocker, but I'd probably pick it up.

 Sidstyler wrote:
5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.

Well, yeah, that's the largest reason why I don't see a proper skirmish game appearing. GW policy seems to be "ship all the plastic!" aka big kits / tons of models. They also are under the impression that people want to blow several hundred euros on fresh products. The only reason I could see GW doing a skirmish is to get people to spend tons of cash on big terrain kits. Unless, of course.. it's 54mm models.. in foulcast.. €50/pop

It's true that GW is very restricted because of their policy to focus strictly on three core games. They could manufacture and sell a ton of specialist games, if they wanted. They could easily release the core set first, then introduce boxed faction expansions, with little need to have single model releases.

 notprop wrote:
Ah another stormy day in Sidsville I see.

Come join us on the good ship Wishlister and hope that there is some kernel of truth in this rumour. Not long till September!

That made me Lol.

As much as I like Bloodbowl, I'd prefer the 28mm skirmish a lot more, even if it's just for the cool figures.

Mythal wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I'll laugh myself silly if it turns out to be Dreadfleet in space.

Battlefleet Gothic in-a-box would be a shocker, but I'd probably pick it up.

Agreed! Plus on the bright side, those ships will go nicely with Rogue Trader even if the rules are terribad.

If its a one shot release box I'm interested anyway, if its more than that and more akin to an older GW Roleplay game with factions, then I'm likely to be in danger of spending more than the one gang anyways.

When Necromunda was in full swing last time, I had all the gangs and in the case of Escher and Cawdor, multiple gangs. I'm hoping GW might consider that if they went down the route as many folks won't restrict themselves to one gang.
Plus with a direct tie in to a 40K army I would expect them to be watching if Grey Knights got a higher percentage of sales in the following year. If that turned out to be the case I could imagine other factions eventually getting a look in.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
If its a one shot release box I'm interested anyway, if its more than that and more akin to an older GW Roleplay game with factions, then I'm likely to be in danger of spending more than the one gang anyways.

When Necromunda was in full swing last time, I had all the gangs and in the case of Escher and Cawdor, multiple gangs. I'm hoping GW might consider that if they went down the route as many folks won't restrict themselves to one gang.
Plus with a direct tie in to a 40K army I would expect them to be watching if Grey Knights got a higher percentage of sales in the following year. If that turned out to be the case I could imagine other factions eventually getting a look in.

And here in lies the problem for GW with their "all-in-one boxgame" releases. A new Inquisition Necromunda game with multiple gangs available would suck peoples spending away from 40K. Its a balance then to get the reduce turnover in 40k and the extra turnover in the gangs. Unless this is forecast in favour of Inqisimunda then they wont bother with an ongoing product and stick to the one-off turnover revenue boost from a single box game.

Sounds like a rehashed Necromunda/Inq. rip off. or The old Kill team game/rules.
GW says, after smoking some funny stufff, DUDE lets make Inquistor and mix it with NEcromunda and we got a new game.WOW man, i bet the Lemmings will buy it because we put a 40 k logo on it.
Sorry, not trying to insult. It is just how GW seems to act sometimes.

 col. krazy kenny wrote:
Sounds like a rehashed Necromunda/Inq. rip off. or The old Kill team game/rules.
GW says, after smoking some funny stufff, DUDE lets make Inquistor and mix it with NEcromunda and we got a new game.WOW man, i bet the Lemmings will buy it...

yep, I really hate it too when GW does those terrible, imaginary things, and the imaginary lemmings start jumping.

I want some imaginary lemmings...maybe they'll be included in the next limited edition boxed set?

I wonder how imaginary lemmings would taste? Hmmm...lemmings sautéed in garlic butter, thrown on the grill, or doused in Dinosaur BBQ sauce. Or all of the above. Now I want BBQd lemmings.

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

If this happens I'll be the first one on the cliff top.


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Oh and chicken, lemmings taste like chicken.

 dementedwombat wrote:
I want some imaginary lemmings...maybe they'll be included in the next limited edition boxed set?

Oh come on, the imaginary lemmings will obviously cost double what the old imaginary ones did, and there will be lots of flash and holes, and they will probably have too many imaginary skulls on them. This is GW we're talking about here. Or imagining about, anyway.

A 28mm Inquisition game sounds great to me especially if John Banche has helped design the minis, I'm not really a fan of hid style of art but he has great ideas.

I'd buy an Inquisitor style board game as long as it came with some cool models. Blood Bowl I'd have a harder time with since it's already a solid game and the people round here already have teams and so wouldn't likely be changing it up.

Anyone else notice the last 2-3 White Dwarfs all had different flavors of Inq28 ?
Might be something to this one

 notprop wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
If its a one shot release box I'm interested anyway, if its more than that and more akin to an older GW Roleplay game with factions, then I'm likely to be in danger of spending more than the one gang anyways.

When Necromunda was in full swing last time, I had all the gangs and in the case of Escher and Cawdor, multiple gangs. I'm hoping GW might consider that if they went down the route as many folks won't restrict themselves to one gang.
Plus with a direct tie in to a 40K army I would expect them to be watching if Grey Knights got a higher percentage of sales in the following year. If that turned out to be the case I could imagine other factions eventually getting a look in.

And here in lies the problem for GW with their "all-in-one boxgame" releases. A new Inquisition Necromunda game with multiple gangs available would suck peoples spending away from 40K. Its a balance then to get the reduce turnover in 40k and the extra turnover in the gangs. Unless this is forecast in favour of Inqisimunda then they wont bother with an ongoing product and stick to the one-off turnover revenue boost from a single box game.

See, that IS the thinking at GW by all appearances, but it strikes me as completely daft thinking.

What type of players played specialist games? Mainly two types; people like me who're suckers for the IP and want as many different ways to interact with it as possible, and people who're not interested in collecting large armies in 28mm scale for whatever reason(they prefer smaller scales for big battles, they prefer to spend small chunks of cash on lots of different games rather than a big chunk on one, they just plain prefer skirmish-sized gaming etc etc).

The former type of person bought 40K, AND all it's derivatives, and and going by how common linked-campaigns were back when the SGs got regular support we were hardly a tiny minority. The latter type isn't going to magically change their spending and playing habits just because you took away the products they liked, they're going to do exactly what many people did when GW started to wind-down SGs; go to other companies. And THAT was the value that GW gave up when they decided to give up on their other systems; retention.

If I got bored of playing 40K a few years back there were two skirmish games, a mass-battles game, and a space naval combat game all set in the same IP for me to try. If I got bored with the IP I could try out Fantasy for the cost of a Mordheim warband, and if I liked it had almost as many options for games to play there too. Inevitably, I would find my passion for 40K again long before I ran out of GW games to try. Now what are my options? Find hundreds of pounds to drop on a Fantasy army I might not even end up enjoying, stop wargaming altogether, or look at what other companies are offering. Since most people don't have an army's worth of cash just sitting around to blow on hobby stuff on a whim, the "core games" strategy GW have been pursuing has been one of the biggest reasons for the successes being enjoyed by many of their competitors, and adopting strategies that help your competitors sounds like a really stupid business practice to me, but then I'm sure someone will be along soon to tell me I'm a "basement-MBA" who couldn't possibly begin to appreciate the fiscal genius of the GW board

Games Workshop used to be more than just a couple of games systems, they were a whole ecosystem, and by ensuring that as many people as possible stayed within that ecosystem they essentially locked most competition out of the market in a lot of places - people would play GW games for no other reason than they knew everyone else played GW games, and so they'd always have someone to play against, and many different ways to play them thanks to SGs. Now games that began their lives filling in the niches abandoned by GW when they began their neglect of the SGs like Warmachine are rising up to challenge the two core Warhammer systems, and new ways of finding funding have resulted in a glut of new skirmish games in tons of new fantasy and sci-fi IPs.

There are supermarkets out there that sell huge swathes of product at a substantial loss, just to make sure customers keep walking through their doors and spending money in their tills rather than their competitors', so don't anyone try telling me that GW abandoning the SG's because they weren't [/i]as profitable[i] as the main systems is business genius - money is nice, but GW need to realise that focusing exclusively on the bottom line can actually hurt said focus of attention when you lose sight of all the intangible and long-term benefits you can gain from "not-unprofitable-but-less-than-optimal" systems.

 Eisenhorn wrote:
Anyone else notice the last 2-3 White Dwarfs all had different flavors of Inq28 ?
Might be something to this one

You mean John Blanche's column, Blanchitsu? The one that's been running in every issue since the White Dwarf relaunch?

Interesting.

If they have options for Xenos, I'm in.

I've been dying to use my Court of the Archon for something.

I like this Inquisitorial idea more and more!

Heres the dilemma:
A great skirmish game with awesome models, however, each model is finecasted and cost you £28.00 (because, hey, you get some neat rule cards and special dice too!).

GW is currently testing the pricing limits, it would be great if they had the merchandise to match it.

Yeah I've been hoping for a skirmish game or supplement.
Remember when GW came out with the armor WD suppliment,
then after a while the Flyer suppliment, now Apocalypse. No where to go but the small little infantryman. I do hope they include rules to field every race not just inquisitors.

If this happens, I will definitely buy it.

Of course, I would also definitely buy a new Blood Bowl set.

 Fayric wrote:


GW is currently testing the pricing limits, it would be great if they had the merchandise to match it.

Agreed. I think I am gonna pass and spend my money on some simple white T-Shirts instead ("designed" by Kayne West no less! Trendiest white I've ever seen).

GW needs to see that they can't fool the customers!.