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 Nevelon wrote:
My guess is that it's just the non-mini stuff from the DV set.

Do you still get the swizzle/whippy sticks in boxes these days? I figure book+dice+templates is probably the right price point for GW, the tape measure would push it over the top. But toss in a few sticks of cheap plastic, and you can bill it as "everything you need to play, barring the minis"

whippy sticks are the entire reason you buy a core game

Well, if people are too lazy to turn their stuff around on eBay.... our book cost us less than £20 even after eBay commission on selling the other Dark Vengeance bits.

But agreed, if it's just a lousy box of dice it's an insult. Maybe they've only done it to make Dark Vengeance look like a bargain!

 Sigvatr wrote:
Krooty got it. People buy the small rule book because they get it for ~10$ on ebay, not because it's handy to have - and yeah, a pack sure is nice, but I could just buy a small rulebook from ebay / 2nd hand in general and then buy proper dice and a bag from Chessex etc. for less than the GW package

i bought a mini rulebook because it was mini, and I already had the big one. I would probably buy a gamers if it has cool bennies.

So people will complain that they can spend a little more to get a bunch of models on top of the book with a Dark Vengeance set...but they won't buy a Dark Vengeance set (and complained about that too).

This is like paying for convenience. It's the same reason a 20 oz. soda costs as much as a 2 liter. This is convenient, it will probably be limited, and will likely come with some swag. It doesn't matter what said swag consists of.

Some people bought DV for the SOLE PURPOSE of getting the little rulebook. Some people don't want Dark Angels or Chaos models, and couldn't find a buyer for them to make up what they spent.

Kanluwen wrote:

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Considering that you can pick up a mini rulebook for under £20, I guess GW's thinking that the additional goodies are worth the same, or more as the book itself. Meh, I suppose people will still buy the thing, but to me it seems like a dumb thing to do.

Picking up the mini rulebook for under 20 GBP means finding someone who bought multiple Dark Vengeance boxed sets.

Bits sellers who dealt directly with GW or distributors who carried GW products are no longer able to break boxed sets up--and even then, most bits sellers were charging anywhere from $30 to $35 for the mini rulebooks from the starter boxes.

Well said.

Mini rulebook are going for around $35 on eBay. Just sold one.

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Interestingly, the digital version of the rules is only $32 for ePub/mobi.

So that seems to be how much "value" GW places on the rules.

I sold my mini book to finance the purchase of the iTunes "mini" rulebook. Worked out pretty well for me.

I have never met or heard of anyone who bought the mini rulebook to save cash - its to have a smaller version to take to the game store or events.

Of course, others may have different experiences, but this is quite common in my area.

Unless of course you have an mini tablet with an usable electronic version.

I will be curious as to what it comes with as well.

If it really is new (presumably so, not just leftover DV rulebooks) then one advantage obviously is that erratas/FAQs probably are updated to the book. Hopefully, anyway.

Could it be that GW is listening to the internet now with this release? This has been much requested in the past so is a good move by them. I'd have been interested in this if it had come at the time of the 6th Ed. release.

Nah, I'm just kidding....normal service in 3...2...1...

GWHQ wrote:Hi I'm Tom Kirby and we at GW are now giving you, yes YOU the opportunity to own a mini version of your existing 40k rulebook so that you can easily take it to your nearest one man GW store and not be able to play a game with your new mini rulebook.

This is Great neWs!

 notprop wrote:
Could it be that GW is listening to the internet now with this release? This has been much requested in the past so is a good move by them. I'd have been interested in this if it had come at the time of the 6th Ed. release.

Nah, I'm just kidding....normal service in 3...2...1...

GWHQ wrote:Hi I'm Tom Kirby and we at GW are now giving you, yes YOU the opportunity to own a mini version of your existing 40k rulebook so that you can easily take it to your nearest one man GW store and not be able to play a game with your new mini rulebook.

This is Great neWs!

Since you're in the UK I'd be very interested to know what the stores are like there since GW went to the "no open gaming" policy in their UK shops. GW has so many shops there and such a larger per capita customer base compared to the US and other places, I have been wondering what the no gaming policy has done to their business there in their brick-and-mortar stores. Are the events they have in the shops that replaced open gaming well attended? How is customer traffic and sales in the UK GW stores now since they went to the current policy?

I think rather than mock the prices of this release, I'm going to instead point out that it only took GW 10 years to figure out that people want the mini rulebooks from the box games.

 Polonius wrote:
I think rather than mock the prices of this release, I'm going to instead point out that it only took GW 10 years to figure out that people want the mini rulebooks from the box games.

Better late than never, right?

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
I think rather than mock the prices of this release, I'm going to instead point out that it only took GW 10 years to figure out that people want the mini rulebooks from the box games.

Better late than never, right?

Some guys love going to strip clubs because it gives them a chance to turn down beautiful women. I sometimes think GW feels the same way about turning down money from customers.

I think this release is too late to make GW much £ - I bet over 90% of people who wanted a mini rulebook got one ages ago.
It should have come out a month or so after the DV or the main rulebook (which ever was later).

 bubber wrote:
I think this release is too late to make GW much £ - I bet over 90% of people who wanted a mini rulebook got one ages ago.
It should have come out a month or so after the DV or the main rulebook (which ever was later).

It should have, but I imagine this will still sell briskly. I still need another mini rulebook. I lent mine out to a buddy.

It's also good for people getting into the hobby. You split the DV box with a friend, but decide later you want to have your own copy of the rules and bits. Voila. It's also an easy upsale to get people into the game who don't like DA/Chaos. Mini rulebook + battle force should be an easy push for a salesman of any skill.

The main rulebook is both massive and expensive. It's a barrier to enter the game. Reducing the cost of entry will help get new blood in the door. And it might help get older players back in as well.

I, for example, don't use e-bay. I have a number of reasons. I have a number of WHFB armies on the shelf, but haven't played for years. Why? No rules. It was going to take a $75 rulebook and a $50 army book (per army) to start back up again. The over a hundred dollars to just get the rules, not including any new units I needed just turned off any desire I had to get back in. The armies in starter box didn't interest me, so I couldn't use that as a way to leverage some extra value out of my purchase. If I could have picked up the rules for less, I might have not skipped 3 editions of the game. I have all the rules now, due to gifts and tournament prizes at my FLGS. Still haven't played (but I keep meaning to...)

That's just one example, albeit WHFB, not 40k. Not everyone is willing to pick up the starter set and sell off the extras. Not everyone is willing to hit the second hand market. Different people have assorted break points where they thing something is priced acceptably. Having a lower cost of entry will get some of those people.

I suspect one reason it took so long to come out is so they could move more hardcovers. People who just care about the rules don't need the big book. I care about the fluff, but have older editions I can read that in. Given the option, I'd have picked up a small book. If the minis weren't plastered with DA iconography, I'd have picked up DV.

Of course, what's included in the gamer's edition will make or break this. If it's just the mini book in a decorative LE slipcover...

 Polonius wrote:
Some guys love going to strip clubs because it gives them a chance to turn down beautiful women. I sometimes think GW feels the same way about turning down money from customers.

"Hello, I would like to buy a Baneb-"
"SHUT UP, SLUT!"
"w-what?"
"You probably only play 40k because your daddy never paid attention to you."

-Overheard at GW Fulchester

 bubber wrote:
I think this release is too late to make GW much £ - I bet over 90% of people who wanted a mini rulebook got one ages ago.
It should have come out a month or so after the DV or the main rulebook (which ever was later).

It would of been better if it came out around the same time as the book, but it'll probably just been a pile of existing GW products (maybe a different set of dice) put together so it won't really mater how many they sell as it won't be costing them any extra so any sold will just be a bonus.

 BrassScorpion wrote:


Since you're in the UK I'd be very interested to know what the stores are like there since GW went to the "no open gaming" policy in their UK shops. GW has so many shops there and such a larger per capita customer base compared to the US and other places, I have been wondering what the no gaming policy has done to their business there in their brick-and-mortar stores. Are the events they have in the shops that replaced open gaming well attended? How is customer traffic and sales in the UK GW stores now since they went to the current policy?

There isn't a "no open gaming" policy in UK GW stores. My two closest GWs have weekly open gaming sessions and will sometimes have bookable sessions for gaming at quiet times of the week. My next local GW has no gaming, but that's because it's the size of a storage cupboard! The manager there set up a gaming club 5 minutes away though so it's no issue.

That price is pretty hilarious.

I hope it has some cool goodies, maybe a unique librarian

Honestly don't know why anyone would bother with it at that price. You can snag DV for just a little more, or eBay it if you really hate nice models.

Honestly don't know why so many of you are ignoring the fact that they're calling it a "gamers edition" and, based on "gamers edition" precedents, will include other stuff.

Again, we all know GW price bashing is like, the coolest thing ever, but come on.

Maybe people don't like having essential gaming equipment released only as super-expensive limited editions.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Maybe people don't like having essential gaming equipment released only as super-expensive limited editions.

And which "essential gaming equipment" is that exactly?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Maybe people don't like having essential gaming equipment released only as super-expensive limited editions.

And which "essential gaming equipment" is that exactly?

The 3 B's?

I'd say the rulebook is pretty essential.

See, GW may bundle the book with a bunch of plastic crap that costs next to nothing to produce in order to justify inflating the hell out of the price of an already crazy overpriced book, but that's not what a lot of people care about when they buy the book.

It could make sense if it has:

Templates ($13.25)

Objective Markers ($16.50)

A fancy Dice Cube ($8.25)

And the rulebook.

Something like that would be $38 in GW prices before adding the rulebook. If you could squeeze those in with the rulebook than you would have everything you would need to play a game besides models.

 Nevelon wrote:

That's just one example, albeit WHFB, not 40k. Not everyone is willing to pick up the starter set and sell off the extras. Not everyone is willing to hit the second hand market. Different people have assorted break points where they thing something is priced acceptably. Having a lower cost of entry will get some of those people.

It's a good point. The starter set is a good deal if you want those armies or figures. Alternatively, if you can be bothered to sell them all off you can get the rules for cheap. Back of envelope calculation shows I got the DV mini-book for under $10 because I sold everything bar the Librarian at a convention, but it did result in me spending an evening assembling and cataloguing the things, before physically taking them to a convention. Would I have paid more if I could get the book individually? Definitely, mini-book at 1/3rd the price of the BRB and both me and my gaming buddy would have snapped it up. 1/3rd the price because it contains 1/3rd of the content at half the size.