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 Kroothawk wrote:
Maybe people don't like having essential gaming equipment released only as super-expensive limited editions.

Explain how this statement is anything other than utter nonsense and a bit of pointless GW bashing.

cincydooley wrote:Honestly don't know why so many of you are ignoring the fact that they're calling it a "gamers edition" and, based on "gamers edition" precedents, will include other stuff.

Again, we all know GW price bashing is like, the coolest thing ever, but come on.

Looks like the new hotness is complaining about "haters" regardless of the content of the posts that preceded yours. I mean, you guys want to complain about people who come into GW threads for the sole purpose of hating, but then you have a fair number of people in this thread pre-emptively complaining about hating and discarding reality as the basis of your post. It's just as bad, effectively doubling the amount of garbage in these threads, and it would be swell if you'd just stop with that.

Do we have any more actual news about what's in this bundle yet?

The Division Of Joy wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Maybe people don't like having essential gaming equipment released only as super-expensive limited editions.

Explain how this statement is anything other than utter nonsense and a bit of pointless GW bashing.

It's a valid point. You have an essential item needed for the game, the rule book.

Currently there are 4 ways to get it.

1. Buy the BRB, at £45. It's a monstrous hard backed tome at about 400 pages, 2/3rds of which are not needed for gaming (fluff and hobby sections).
2. Buy the DV box set. It's £61.50 and comes with just the rules (awesome!) and 2 small DA/Chaos armies. If you don't play those armies they serve no purpose, but you can sell them on.
3. Buy the mini-book as an E-book, which means you need an iPad or tablet or e-reader for $100's.
4. Buy the special edition mini-book, which will come with stuff you may not need, or may already have (like templates for anyone who's bought any of the previous 5 box sets).

All 4 of those options involve buying stuff that the customer may not need or want, purely so they can play the game. I went with #2 and sold the mini's, as the least bad option.

Didn't GW send out an email lisitng "apocolypse essentials" that were Limited Edition?

the vortex template alone has been hard to come by both times Apoc came out.

 cincydooley wrote:
Honestly don't know why so many of you are ignoring the fact that they're calling it a "gamers edition" and, based on "gamers edition" precedents, will include other stuff.

Again, we all know GW price bashing is like, the coolest thing ever, but come on.

But we don't know what other stuff. It could be a baggie of dice and the green templates (which I like far more than the stuff they sell outside of DV). My only concern is for the people that want this edition is, "will it be available at my store?" If it's GW only, I and those I game with will pass simply because they can't get it through our FLGS. One of the guys that plays Tau already commented to our FLGS owner that the Farsight Enclave supplement was a tough by for him because he wants the supplement, but he can't get it via the store.

*shrugs* and as for the hip and cool GW bashing... I bet you're paying 60 bucks for a fancy dust jacket

I'll reserve judgement until I see the product and what comes with it.

 Ouze wrote:

cincydooley wrote:Honestly don't know why so many of you are ignoring the fact that they're calling it a "gamers edition" and, based on "gamers edition" precedents, will include other stuff.

Again, we all know GW price bashing is like, the coolest thing ever, but come on.

Spoiler:

BrassScorpion wrote: Is it the same book that comes in Dark Vengeance with some accompanying swag or gaming accessories? I guess we'll know in a few days if it goes up for pre-order when the Lizardmen stuff also goes up for pre-order.

In any case, this is good news for people who need a small rulebook, but who don't wish to buy Dark Vengeance.[/img]

BrassScorpion wrote:If it is a "Gamer's Edition" it will come with some kind of gaming accessories, perhaps even limited edition ones. All of GW's "Gamer's Editions" till now have been a rule book packaged with other items and in most cases at least some of the items have been limited edition whether it be dice, special templates, a satchel or bag of some sort or even most recently an army carrying case. At the price point give, I would expect it to be along the lines of smaller items like dice or templates and maybe a small satchel or something similarly sized.

Steve steveson wrote:No, it's £40. I think you looking at the trade price. It's $59.50, which is actually £39. I would therefor guess at £35. I would guess, as that is only £10 less than the hardback book, that there will be some stuff. Given that a set of dice and templates is £20 it may be good value if you want whatever is with it.

BrookM wrote:It probably comes with templates and special dice.

Ouze wrote:Presumably this includes templates and dice. This is actually a good deal, in my opinion, for someone new to the game.

-Shrike- wrote:I'll wait to see what else there is to the package before passing judgement. Could be quite cool, I like the idea of a satchel with a tape measure and a dice tin.

Nevelon wrote:My guess is that it's just the non-mini stuff from the DV set.

Do you still get the swizzle/whippy sticks in boxes these days? I figure book+dice+templates is probably the right price point for GW, the tape measure would push it over the top. But toss in a few sticks of cheap plastic, and you can bill it as "everything you need to play, barring the minis"

Looks like the new hotness is complaining about "haters" regardless of the content of the posts that preceded yours. I mean, you guys want to complain about people who come into GW threads for the sole purpose of hating, but then you have a fair number of people in this thread pre-emptively complaining about hating and discarding reality as the basis of your post. It's just as bad, effectively doubling the amount of garbage in these threads, and it would be swell if you'd just stop with that.

Do we have any more actual news about what's in this bundle yet?

I did say many, and not all. There were many people complaining already about the price. I don't think my comment was unreasonable.

As to it being an "essential" gameplay item: well of course it is. But GW have provided us with the opportunity to get it in no less than 4 flavors (and now 5 with this gamers bundle). I just don't know what people want, and I sometimes think there is going to be bitching just to bitch.

We called for digital products. They're giving them to us.
We told them the digital prices should be lower than the print prices. They dropped the prices on the digital products.
We complained that the digital products were only for iOS. They've delivered ePub editions.
We wanted a Non-DV, non aftermarket way to get a mini rulebook. Well here it is.

I mean, honestly. How much is it going to take for GW to get thrown a bone here for responding to a lot of the requests of its player base?

Herzlos wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Maybe people don't like having essential gaming equipment released only as super-expensive limited editions.

Explain how this statement is anything other than utter nonsense and a bit of pointless GW bashing.

It's a valid point. You have an essential item needed for the game, the rule book.

Currently there are 4 ways to get it.

1. Buy the BRB, at £45. It's a monstrous hard backed tome at about 400 pages, 2/3rds of which are not needed for gaming (fluff and hobby sections).
2. Buy the DV box set. It's £61.50 and comes with just the rules (awesome!) and 2 small DA/Chaos armies. If you don't play those armies they serve no purpose, but you can sell them on.
3. Buy the mini-book as an E-book, which means you need an iPad or tablet or e-reader for $100's.
4. Buy the special edition mini-book, which will come with stuff you may not need, or may already have (like templates for anyone who's bought any of the previous 5 box sets).

All 4 of those options involve buying stuff that the customer may not need or want, purely so they can play the game. I went with #2 and sold the mini's, as the least bad option.

Which of those 4 are limited editions? I've highlighted the other reason why it was a stupid statement for convenience.

The Division Of Joy wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Maybe people don't like having essential gaming equipment released only as super-expensive limited editions.

Explain how this statement is anything other than utter nonsense and a bit of pointless GW bashing.

It's a valid point. You have an essential item needed for the game, the rule book.

Currently there are 4 ways to get it.

1. Buy the BRB, at £45. It's a monstrous hard backed tome at about 400 pages, 2/3rds of which are not needed for gaming (fluff and hobby sections).
2. Buy the DV box set. It's £61.50 and comes with just the rules (awesome!) and 2 small DA/Chaos armies. If you don't play those armies they serve no purpose, but you can sell them on.
3. Buy the mini-book as an E-book, which means you need an iPad or tablet or e-reader for $100's.
4. Buy the special edition mini-book, which will come with stuff you may not need, or may already have (like templates for anyone who's bought any of the previous 5 box sets).

All 4 of those options involve buying stuff that the customer may not need or want, purely so they can play the game. I went with #2 and sold the mini's, as the least bad option.

Which of those 4 are limited editions? I've highlighted the other reason why it was a stupid statement for convenience.

Number 4, and Number 2 until the LE Dark Vengeance set sold out (a few months?)


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 cincydooley wrote:

As to it being an "essential" gameplay item: well of course it is. But GW have provided us with the opportunity to get it in no less than 4 flavors (and now 5 with this gamers bundle). I just don't know what people want, and I sometimes think there is going to be bitching just to bitch.

4, with this, surely?

And we still don't have a no-frills-just-basic-rulebook option. Though they have definitely made some vast improvements with the digital version and this mini-version without the box set, even if it does come with extra stuff.

 kronk wrote:
I'll reserve judgement until I see the product and what comes with it.

HOW DARE YOU USE REASON!

 cincydooley wrote:
I mean, honestly. How much is it going to take for GW to get thrown a bone here for responding to a lot of the requests of its player base?

For me? a 15 dollar no frills attached version of the rulebook that comes in Dark Vengeance. People already buy DV sets to part them out because they know people need templates, rulebooks, and cheap form of models. Other companies are able to produce a rules manual for 15 dollars that has about the same number of pages as the DV rules does at a higher quality. That's not to say I don't like that they've come out with other ways to get the rules, I just think that offering a limited gamer's edition is not the right move with offering the mini-rulebook to their players at an affordable price.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I mean, honestly. How much is it going to take for GW to get thrown a bone here for responding to a lot of the requests of its player base?

For me? a 15 dollar no frills attached version of the rulebook that comes in Dark Vengeance. People already buy DV sets to part them out because they know people need templates, rulebooks, and cheap form of models. Other companies are able to produce a rules manual for 15 dollars that has about the same number of pages as the DV rules does at a higher quality. That's not to say I don't like that they've come out with other ways to get the rules, I just think that offering a limited gamer's edition is not the right move with offering the mini-rulebook to their players at an affordable price.

By "other companies" you of course mean "only Wyrd" right .

Seriously, are there any other companies that produce a mini-rulebook for purchase besides Wyrd? Privateers are in starter sets. Dream Pod 9s are in starter sets. Flames of War has one...but can you buy it separately anymore now that the full rules are out?

I meant 5 including this new rulebook because I consider the iOS version and the epub/mobi version to be different version. They're quite different in their layout and presentation, so to me, it makes sense. Further, the epub/ebook one can be read on pretty much any phone now, so doesn't seem to require any other "unwanted' products to buy. Unless you're allergic to cell phones. Then I have no answer for you.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I mean, honestly. How much is it going to take for GW to get thrown a bone here for responding to a lot of the requests of its player base?

For me? a 15 dollar no frills attached version of the rulebook that comes in Dark Vengeance. People already buy DV sets to part them out because they know people need templates, rulebooks, and cheap form of models. Other companies are able to produce a rules manual for 15 dollars that has about the same number of pages as the DV rules does at a higher quality. That's not to say I don't like that they've come out with other ways to get the rules, I just think that offering a limited gamer's edition is not the right move with offering the mini-rulebook to their players at an affordable price.

By "other companies" you of course mean "only Wyrd" right .

Seriously, are there any other companies that produce a mini-rulebook for purchase besides Wyrd? Privateers are in starter sets. Dream Pod 9s are in starter sets. Flames of War has one...but can you buy it separately anymore now that the full rules are out?

I meant 5 including this new rulebook because I consider the iOS version and the epub/mobi version to be different version. They're quite different in their layout and presentation, so to me, it makes sense. Further, the epub/ebook one can be read on pretty much any phone now, so doesn't seem to require any other "unwanted' products to buy. Unless you're allergic to cell phones. Then I have no answer for you.

I do mean only Wyrd, and I'll admonish the other companies too! Though to be fair to PP, I've never needed their rulebooks in such a way that I would want/need a small copy of the rules.

I think it also has to do with the quality of the starter sets and the size of the main rulebook.
Flames of War - Open Fire! (70 USD):
Full color mini rulebook of complete rules
Intro guide
2 armies of about 750 points
Army Lists that can easily be expanded to hold a 2000 point list without needing to buy a sourcebook
Cheapo dice of the different army colors
Punchout counters and objective markers
Punchout terrain (wtf terrain?!)
Models: 11 detailed plastic tanks, 1 plastic terrain piece, 2 anti-tank guns, 24 bases of infantry models (I just counted what's on the box )

Privater Press - Warmachine/Hordes 2 Player Battle Box (100 USD):
Full color mini rulebook of just the rules (86 pages)
Intro guide
2 armies of 25 points
Stat cards
Dice
Ruler
Models: 17 plastic Warmachine models or 20 plastic Hordes models

Games Workshop - Dark Vengeance (99.00):
Full Color 168 page mini rulebook
Intro Guide
48 Miniatures
An Army Roster sheet (with no points )
Dice
Templates
Dreaded Whippy Sticks
Models: 48 well detailed Citadel Miniatures that are snap together, don't require much if any glue, just not split very evenly pointswise .

Edit: I amend my statement that DV is the most expensive, the 2 player battle box is more expensive by 99 cents . The only defense one might have against that claim is that with DV I need a lot more to reach "average"/"tournament standard" army size .

All of the starter boxes are solid, but GW's is lacking because of the additional purchase beyond the DV set. With Flames of War, I only have to buy models and never have to purchase a sourcebook for a certain battle/operation. With Warmahordes, I only have to buy models as model rules/stats are supplied, and I'm almost to average army size. With GW I have to purchase a lot more models as well as the codex to legally run those models.

See, for me, I'd be admonishing the other companies for not giving me the opportunity to purchase digital versions of their rules.

I very much appreciate this from GW, as I'm in the process of liquidating pretty much all physical media from my house. Books, BluRays, etc. It's all going. I think I'm selling about 50 or 60 Black Library novels on eBay right now, in fact.

 cincydooley wrote:
See, for me, I'd be admonishing the other companies for not giving me the opportunity to purchase digital versions of their rules.

I very much appreciate this from GW, as I'm in the process of liquidating pretty much all physical media from my house. Books, BluRays, etc. It's all going. I think I'm selling about 50 or 60 Black Library novels on eBay right now, in fact.

I'm still not sold on pure digital rules, I enjoy the fact that they exist in some case, I still like my rules to be in dead tree form simply because I like being able to grab my book off the shelf and look up a rule instead of having to scour pdf after pdf for a rule. I tried to DnD 3.5 purely digital for a spell, and it can go feth itself.

Edit: Instead of selling those BL books, you should "donate" them to me as an act of charity, and so I have something to read on my lunch breaks.

Herzlos wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Maybe people don't like having essential gaming equipment released only as super-expensive limited editions.

Explain how this statement is anything other than utter nonsense and a bit of pointless GW bashing.

It's a valid point. You have an essential item needed for the game, the rule book.

Currently there are 4 ways to get it.

1. Buy the BRB, at £45. It's a monstrous hard backed tome at about 400 pages, 2/3rds of which are not needed for gaming (fluff and hobby sections).
2. Buy the DV box set. It's £61.50 and comes with just the rules (awesome!) and 2 small DA/Chaos armies. If you don't play those armies they serve no purpose, but you can sell them on.
3. Buy the mini-book as an E-book, which means you need an iPad or tablet or e-reader for $100's.
4. Buy the special edition mini-book, which will come with stuff you may not need, or may already have (like templates for anyone who's bought any of the previous 5 box sets).

All 4 of those options involve buying stuff that the customer may not need or want, purely so they can play the game. I went with #2 and sold the mini's, as the least bad option.

Which of those 4 are limited editions? I've highlighted the other reason why it was a stupid statement for convenience.

Number 4, and Number 2 until the LE Dark Vengeance set sold out (a few months?)


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 cincydooley wrote:

As to it being an "essential" gameplay item: well of course it is. But GW have provided us with the opportunity to get it in no less than 4 flavors (and now 5 with this gamers bundle). I just don't know what people want, and I sometimes think there is going to be bitching just to bitch.

4, with this, surely?

And we still don't have a no-frills-just-basic-rulebook option. Though they have definitely made some vast improvements with the digital version and this mini-version without the box set, even if it does come with extra stuff.

Ahh, so the point IS stupid then because you can in fact pick up the essential gaming equipment in a non-limited format. Read before blindly agreeing with some nonsense.

 cincydooley wrote:

I meant 5 including this new rulebook because I consider the iOS version and the epub/mobi version to be different version. They're quite different in their layout and presentation, so to me, it makes sense. Further, the epub/ebook one can be read on pretty much any phone now, so doesn't seem to require any other "unwanted' products to buy. Unless you're allergic to cell phones. Then I have no answer for you.

It's going to be hilarious reading an rules ebook on my 2.5" touch screen cell phone (I like buttons). It's naive to assume that everyone has a phone capable of viewing ebooks on phones, and that there's no additional device required. I'll concede it's 5 methods if you count ipad and ebook differently, as they do contain different features.


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The Division Of Joy wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
4, with this, surely?

And we still don't have a no-frills-just-basic-rulebook option. Though they have definitely made some vast improvements with the digital version and this mini-version without the box set, even if it does come with extra stuff.

Ahh, so the point IS stupid then because you can in fact pick up the essential gaming equipment in a non-limited format. Read before blindly agreeing with some nonsense.

Not at all. You can only pick up essential gaming equipment with other stuff, which is still a nuisance. Even though there is non-limited in terms of production rates, you're still forced to buy something you don't need to get the rules (a tablet, a lot of mini's, a tome of fluff). The fact is that they already publish the book many people want, but it's only available in the starter set at 4x the expected price.

If you purely want to argue that no essentials are sold in a limited format, then have a look for the Apocalypse cards and Vortex Grenades. The Vortex Grenades appear to be unavailable already whilst touted as essential.


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 Alfndrate wrote:

I do mean only Wyrd, and I'll admonish the other companies too! Though to be fair to PP, I've never needed their rulebooks in such a way that I would want/need a small copy of the rules..

I don't think the issue is that people want pocket sized rules as such, as the problem isn't there with any other ruleset I've got (HC, BA, 7ombieTV, EOTD, SOTR). The difference being those rulebooks are all ~100 pages, some in softback, and are perfectly manageable.

With GW, the standard rulebook is an absolute unwieldy monster, and contains a lot of stuff not required to play a game. The BRB would be a lot more suitable if it was split into 3 separate books (Rules, Fluff, Hobby) so that the required part (Rules) is convenient to use, even if they were still only available in a £45 bundle.

So the requirement for a mini-rulebook is a direct result of the main rulebook being so excessive and unwieldy.

While not wargames, there are a few RPGs that sell "pocket" sized versions of the rules, aimed at players, and not GMs. They have all the rules, but might be lacking some of the sample settings and/or fluff background stuff. Still everything you need to play, and at ~$20 rather then $40-50.

The way GW prices their stuff, I don't see a way they could put the mini rulebook straight on the shelf, they need to bundle it. While I cringe when I shell out the cash for a GW hardcover, I do have to admit that it is a quality product. Good paper, full color, nice cover, etc. The mini books lack that. I'd price it in the $20-30 range, and that's being generous. For a non-GW product, I'd look at a flimsy paperback price ($7-15 these days?)

If you have a ~$25 copy of the rules sitting next to a $75 copy, you have to ask why pay the higher price? You would gut the sales of the hardcovers. The fact that people pay for the LE, twice the price, books tells us there are people like that, but I think they are an exception, rather then the rule. But by bundling stuff with the mini rules, they narrow the price gap, plus make an interesting/useful pack of stuff people want/need.

Or I hope they do. There are a lot of variables involved here, depending what's in the Gamer's Edition. It could range for the best deal ever for new players to a sleazy money grab. I guess we'll find out when we get details...

Dear god

How can I make this clearer. I said that the statement 'Maybe people don't like having essential gaming equipment released only as super-expensive limited editions' was stupid because GW have more than one way to purchase the rules in a format that is available in a non-limited way. I'm bored of the constant GW bashing.


There are plenty of things that are wrong with the company, not least the prices. But releasing another way of getting the rules? It's hardly another reason.

 Nevelon wrote:
While not wargames, there are a few RPGs that sell "pocket" sized versions of the rules, aimed at players, and not GMs. They have all the rules, but might be lacking some of the sample settings and/or fluff background stuff. Still everything you need to play, and at ~$20 rather then $40-50.

I think we can all agree that the RPG industry is leaps and bounds ahead of the wargaming industry when it comes to utlizing digital files and player friendly formats. And they've been doing it for years....

Hilariously someone tried to start a thread about this Mini-rulebook Gamer's Edition topic here on Dakka with a link to BoLS when I was the one who supplied BoLS with the information just after I posted it here on Dakka. Circle of life? Nah, circle of repetition on the Internet. LOL.

The $74.25 US hardback rulebook is a bit much for some gamers and it's pretty inconvenient to tote around. If you happen to need the other items being packaged in this upcoming rumored Gamer's Edition I don't think the price tag is terrible, especially for those with no interest in the models in Dark Vengeance. Dark Vengeance is probably still a better buy overall, it has the best looking plastic miniatures GW has ever produced. Of course, I was lucky, I collect both Dark Angels and Chaos Marines.

The Division Of Joy wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Maybe people don't like having essential gaming equipment released only as super-expensive limited editions.

Explain how this statement is anything other than utter nonsense and a bit of pointless GW bashing.

People demanded a 40k introductory game for years. GW released one, as a limited edition selling out in 2 days.
People demanded the small starter box rulebook sold separately for years. GW will release one, as a limited super expensive limited edition. Don't tell me that you never heard of those demands.

GW is mocking all demands to at least not raise the hurdle to start this game.

 Kroothawk wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Maybe people don't like having essential gaming equipment released only as super-expensive limited editions.

Explain how this statement is anything other than utter nonsense and a bit of pointless GW bashing.

People demanded a 40k introductory game for years. GW released one, as a limited edition selling out in 2 days.
People demanded the small starter box rulebook sold separately for years. GW will release one, as a limited super expensive limited edition. Don't tell me that you never heard of those demands.

GW is mocking all demands to at least not raise the hurdle to start this game.

What was the limited edition intro game? Was this the Limited Edition DV set?

Space Hulk is what he's talking about, I believe.

No. He's just being obtuse. Space Hulk wasn't intended to be a "40k starter" product.

 cincydooley wrote:
No. He's just being obtuse. Space Hulk wasn't intended to be a "40k starter" product.

I didn't say he was right, just that that was what he was saying.

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Hilariously someone tried to start a thread about this Mini-rulebook Gamer's Edition topic here on Dakka with a link to BoLS when I was the one who supplied BoLS with the information just after I posted it here on Dakka. Circle of life? Nah, circle of repetition on the Internet. LOL.

The $74.25 US hardback rulebook is a bit much for some gamers and it's pretty inconvenient to tote around. If you happen to need the other items being packaged in this upcoming rumored Gamer's Edition I don't think the price tag is terrible, especially for those with no interest in the models in Dark Vengeance. Dark Vengeance is probably still a better buy overall, it has the best looking plastic miniatures GW has ever produced. Of course, I was lucky, I collect both Dark Angels and Chaos Marines.

geez send me your address and I'll send you my old specks.
look the helbrute 1 looks sorta OK, 2 looks stupid.
Cultists 2 of most models, and marine models with joins going through the head. No movement on loose arms.
At least with black reach you had some possible movement.

 loki old fart wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Hilariously someone tried to start a thread about this Mini-rulebook Gamer's Edition topic here on Dakka with a link to BoLS when I was the one who supplied BoLS with the information just after I posted it here on Dakka. Circle of life? Nah, circle of repetition on the Internet. LOL.

The $74.25 US hardback rulebook is a bit much for some gamers and it's pretty inconvenient to tote around. If you happen to need the other items being packaged in this upcoming rumored Gamer's Edition I don't think the price tag is terrible, especially for those with no interest in the models in Dark Vengeance. Dark Vengeance is probably still a better buy overall, it has the best looking plastic miniatures GW has ever produced. Of course, I was lucky, I collect both Dark Angels and Chaos Marines.

geez send me your address and I'll send you my old specks.
look the helbrute 1 looks sorta OK, 2 looks stupid.
Cultists 2 of most models, and marine models with joins going through the head. No movement on loose arms.
At least with black reach you had some possible movement.

Is this english? I have no idea what you're saying.

 loki old fart wrote:

geez send me your address and I'll send you my old specks.
look the helbrute 1 looks sorta OK, 2 looks stupid.
Cultists 2 of most models, and marine models with joins going through the head. No movement on loose arms.
At least with black reach you had some possible movement.

Lazy English to normal English translation:

Hello fellow gamer! Please send me your address and I will send you a pair of my old eyeglasses as I believe your eyesight may be deficient.
For example, look at the hellbrute. One of the hellbrutes included in the boxset looks fairly decent while the other looks stupid. Yes, I am aware that having two opinions for the same model seems a bit strange.
The Chaos cultists have duplicates of many of the models, which really has nothing to do with the sculpts, but does annoy me. Many of the marines have awkward positioning of joins and mold lines and come in static positions which are difficult to convert.
At least with the previous starter set, Assault on Black Reach, there was potential for more action-packed posing and conversions.
Golly gee gosh, I wonder where my shift key went.

 cincydooley wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Hilariously someone tried to start a thread about this Mini-rulebook Gamer's Edition topic here on Dakka with a link to BoLS when I was the one who supplied BoLS with the information just after I posted it here on Dakka. Circle of life? Nah, circle of repetition on the Internet. LOL.

The $74.25 US hardback rulebook is a bit much for some gamers and it's pretty inconvenient to tote around. If you happen to need the other items being packaged in this upcoming rumored Gamer's Edition I don't think the price tag is terrible, especially for those with no interest in the models in Dark Vengeance. Dark Vengeance is probably still a better buy overall, it has the best looking plastic miniatures GW has ever produced. Of course, I was lucky, I collect both Dark Angels and Chaos Marines.

geez send me your address and I'll send you my old specks.
look the helbrute 1 looks sorta OK, 2 looks stupid.
Cultists 2 of most models, and marine models with joins going through the head. No movement on loose arms.
At least with black reach you had some possible movement.

Is this english? I have no idea what you're saying.

specks = spectacles
look at the helbrute 1 looks sorta OK, 2 looks stupid. sorta = sort of

Can you manage the rest ?