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 Anpu42 wrote:
I like the idea of the “Centurions”, I always wanted “Terminator Heavy Weapon Squads”.

As for the some of the others, I like what I am reading so far.
As for my wallet though, I don’t see much damage unless I see a some things.
1] Centurions
2] Land Speeder Storms as Dedicated Transports
3] New Land Raider variant.
4] Plastic Sternguard/Vanguard Vets
5] Plastic Honor Guard

I always wondered why there is no jetbike squads among the marines (exept for that one DE guy and FW models, making it even more baffling).
Did I miss something?
Dont think it would make much tactical sense, but they would probably sell (and by that, I mean it would be cinematic!).

To get back on topic: There was some discussion earlier (frankly it might not have even been in Dakka, I've been following this trail from a lot of sites), that the Vanguard and Sternguard models would likely be one box. Frankly I don't see it. That thing would be far too full of left over bits that GW would basically just be giving away for you to use in other units (not to mention it'd be a pay day for Bits Sites since all the options would be there for them to play with) that I fully expect the boxes to be separate so they can maximize profits from us buying them.

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 Fayric wrote:

I always wondered why there is no jetbike squads among the marines (exept for that one DE guy and FW models, making it even more baffling).
Did I miss something?
Dont think it would make much tactical sense, but they would probably sell (and by that, I mean it would be cinematic!).

The Dark Angels (and maybe their successor due to how that codex works in unlocking Deathwing units as troops) have the last working Jet Bike(s) in the Imperium and they refuse to let the Adeptus Mechanicus touch it. I'm guessing anyone who knew how to maintain them likely went over to Chaos or died during the Heresy, or maybe the STC was accidently destroyed somehow.

 Anpu42 wrote:

5] Plastic Honor Guard

That would be too good.


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ClockworkZion wrote:
To get back on topic: There was some discussion earlier (frankly it might not have even been in Dakka, I've been following this trail from a lot of sites), that the Vanguard and Sternguard models would likely be one box. Frankly I don't see it. That thing would be far too full of left over bits that GW would basically just be giving away for you to use in other units (not to mention it'd be a pay day for Bits Sites since all the options would be there for them to play with) that I fully expect the boxes to be separate so they can maximize profits from us buying them.

That's basically what the DC box does.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

5] Plastic Honor Guard

That would be too good.

Imho you could do this quite fine with a well-made (sternguard/vanguard) veteran box and they could even mix in some two-handed power weapons and you would be able to build honor guard right of the box.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
To get back on topic: There was some discussion earlier (frankly it might not have even been in Dakka, I've been following this trail from a lot of sites), that the Vanguard and Sternguard models would likely be one box. Frankly I don't see it. That thing would be far too full of left over bits that GW would basically just be giving away for you to use in other units (not to mention it'd be a pay day for Bits Sites since all the options would be there for them to play with) that I fully expect the boxes to be separate so they can maximize profits from us buying them.

That's basically what the DC box does.

Most of that is covered with chapter, and often unit, specific iconography. The Vanilla Box wouldn't be, which is my point. It's so general that any Marine could use the bits, and GW could really cash in on it better if they made them separate boxes.

Now could they do a massive Death Company box? Sure! But I don't see GW being that generous with the bits.

Something I'll be very keen to see are the rules for the "Centurions."

I'm guessing that for the shooting variant Relentless will be there. Probably some way to fire both weapons in the shooting phase (assuming the gauntlet weapons are twin-linked).

For the assault version, I understand that "assault drills" are already available for Contemptor dreads, but I haven't seen those rules. So unless anyone could step in and definitively say what they do in the FW rules, I'd guess something like a chainfist with Fleshbane?

I would also speculate that the melee version's "frag launcher" simply counts as assault grenades. However, they could do interesting things with this such as making it like that Tau gadget that automatically hits a charging enemy at I10.

Pure speculation on my part, but since GW is extremely fond of dual kits as of late, would it be likely for them to do a Tactical/Sternguard Squad box, and an Assault/Vanguard Squad box? It would make sense to do that.

 Fayric wrote:

I always wondered why there is no jetbike squads among the marines (exept for that one DE guy and FW models, making it even more baffling).
Did I miss something?
Dont think it would make much tactical sense, but they would probably sell (and by that, I mean it would be cinematic!).

Jetbikes are incredibly rare in the 41st millennium. The jetbikes from Forgeworld are meant for the Horus Heresy, and Sammael has one of the last functioning Imperial jetbikes in existence. Also, it would be a really stupid kick in the teeth to Dark Angels players if jetbikes randomly got given to codex Marines, but not to the specific chapter of Marines who are big on old tech and have had the only Imperial jetbike in the game since 4th edition.

an Anonymous Source on Faeit 212 wrote:
a AV 12/11/10, 11 transport capacity, skimmer tank, fast attack option with medium weaponry that can be taken as a dedicated transport by vanguard veterans

Riiiight.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/space-marine-vanguard-new-dedicated.html

 heartserenade wrote:
Pure speculation on my part, but since GW is extremely fond of dual kits as of late, would it be likely for them to do a Tactical/Sternguard Squad box, and an Assault/Vanguard Squad box? It would make sense to do that.

Now THAT would be a great dual kit that I could see happening as they share a lot of options between their respective units and would only end up with a small handful of extra bits depending on what you built. Only wonder I'd have if they went this way is how they'd seperat the vets. Crux Terminatus shoulder pads in the box perhaps?


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 pretre wrote:

an Anonymous Source on Faeit 212 wrote:
a AV 12/11/10, 11 transport capacity, skimmer tank, fast attack option with medium weaponry that can be taken as a dedicated transport by vanguard veterans

Riiiight.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/space-marine-vanguard-new-dedicated.html

Didn't Stickmonkey have a rumor about a new skimmer, or something like it, last year?

Either way it sounds like someone has been reading my wishlist as that's the AV value setup I've wishlisted about in the past for Sisters to get as a medium armed/armoured tank to give them something neat, but not identical to existing options.

Shoulder pads and more ornate helmets. Then a sprue of options that can be used by both. Seems totally possible in my head.

 Fezman wrote:
Here are some rumours on price/contents changes for tactical squads and the Rhino being made into a combined kit with two types of Razorback (assault and shooty):

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/space-marines-new-tactical-and-new.html

Not sure if this is meant to be regarded as a rumour or if it's just speculation. If credible it suggests Tactical Squads will gain a lot more bits, but will go up to £30...

Sounds like someone preemptively whining about whining rather than a rumor.

What would be hilarious is if they combined the rhino and razorback into one kit and then made it direct only.

 frozenwastes wrote:
What would be hilarious is if they combined the rhino and razorback into one kit and then made it direct only.

HaHaHAwwwwwww..... Now I've made myself sad....


I'm thinking that since I'm trying to get a battle company together, it may be in my best interest to grab the 10 man marine tac boxes before they get the Dire Avenger treatment. Thing is, I'm still excited about the possibility of the new bits coming in the tactical and Sternguard boxes. Maybe I'll just buy two of the four I need and bite the bullet on the other 20 marines if they go down to 5/ box. What are you guys thinking along these lines?

I'd wait and see. There's enough tactical squads in various stores and on eBay that if it ends up being a disaster like the dire avengers, you can grab them up after you know for sure.

 pretre wrote:

an Anonymous Source on Faeit 212 wrote:
a AV 12/11/10, 11 transport capacity, skimmer tank, fast attack option with medium weaponry that can be taken as a dedicated transport by vanguard veterans

Riiiight.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/space-marine-vanguard-new-dedicated.html

Transport capacity 11? Nah sounds like wish listing - and I don't really see the point unless it's an assault vehicle.

D

This Is twice now it's been said once by me and once by heartserenade.... I'm thinking it will be like the Raptors/Warp Talons squad with assault/vanguard and that’s cool cause that’s a lot of nice CC bits
But the sternguad could be 5 or 10 -Tactical/Sternguard- Might happen like that. GW does almost all Multi build kits now. I don’t see that being different here. If not tactical then what unit could duet with a sternguard unit. Vanguard have jump pack straps and jumping legs… It won’t be with them.
I’m just hoping that we get a serious new set of head variants as well… please don’t recycle those old played-out heads we all own a bitsbox full of.

 5deadly wrote:

Cool part is I just collect bits I got the parts to make over 300 marines… so when the game flips I just buy a box for bits, bare heads and different helms.
I’m excited to see what new bits come in the sternguard/tactical squad box. My bet is 5 man units with enough bit to build tactical/sternguard or assault/vanguard… think it over.

 heartserenade wrote:
Pure speculation on my part, but since GW is extremely fond of dual kits as of late, would it be likely for them to do a Tactical/Sternguard Squad box, and an Assault/Vanguard Squad box? It would make sense to do that.

BrotherVord wrote:
Wouldn't think confirm that black Templars are being rolled into c:sm?

Yep

Awww Oh well. As long as they have the Codex Space Marines with the variant BT cover I'm okay

I really don't think they'd 5 man the tac squads. It'd make the forge world bundles too good of a deal at that point. I mean FW is almost the better deal at this point, but still.

 BryllCream wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
The new paradigm seems to be 10 figure troop boxes and 5 figure elite boxes, with prices normalizing towards Australian levels.

Dire Avengers. Troops, 5 to a box. Necron Immortals. Troops, 5 to a box. PAGK. Troops, 5 to a box. Chaos Cultists. Troops, 5 to a box unless you're getting them from Dark Vengeance. SM Scouts. Troops, 5 to a box.

Although for the sake of transparency, Immortals and PAGK can both be built as other non-troop units.

None of those are the "bread and butter" troops though. Eldar Guardians, Necron Warriors, Chaos marines and fire warriors are all 10 to a box.

It could be changed to scouts as 10 per box and marines go to 5 per box.

TechMarine1 wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
The new paradigm seems to be 10 figure troop boxes and 5 figure elite boxes, with prices normalizing towards Australian levels.

Dire Avengers. Troops, 5 to a box. Necron Immortals. Troops, 5 to a box. PAGK. Troops, 5 to a box. Chaos Cultists. Troops, 5 to a box unless you're getting them from Dark Vengeance. SM Scouts. Troops, 5 to a box.

Although for the sake of transparency, Immortals and PAGK can both be built as other non-troop units.

None of those are the "bread and butter" troops though. Eldar Guardians, Necron Warriors, Chaos marines and fire warriors are all 10 to a box.

It could be changed to scouts as 10 per box and marines go to 5 per box.

Yes, but none of those have a competing discounted bundle deal from FW with better sculpts and more dynamic posing. So I really just can't see them wanting to lose money like that on a flagship product. I fully expect tac marines to stay in their own box of 10 with maybe a new weapons and accessory sprue.

BrotherVord wrote:
Wouldn't think confirm that black Templars are being rolled into csm?

This quote is so much better if you remove one punctuation mark.

 pretre wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:
Wouldn't think confirm that black Templars are being rolled into csm?

This quote is so much better if you remove one punctuation mark.

Khorne Berzerkers with Righteous Zeal and the ability to take ablative cultist meatshields? SIGN ME UP!


(Plus, that'd actually make more sense than the Templars using Scouts as meatshields! )

 pretre wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:
Wouldn't think confirm that black Templars are being rolled into csm?

This quote is so much better if you remove one punctuation mark.

it would be SO SO much better if I wouldn't try to post on my phone and have ridiculous typos that get quoted by people :(

Collecting Space MArines just for this reason... please give us a Raven Guard cover!

They are going to make an insane amount of money on the limited editions this time.

 Eldarain wrote:
They are going to make an insane amount of money on the limited editions this time.

agreed. lol

I'm a little confused about extra rules on the first founding legions, since BA/DA are part of those.

Will there be updates for BA/DA on what they can/can't take from the new stuff in the new codex?

 Moopy wrote:
I'm a little confused about extra rules on the first founding legions, since BA/DA are part of those.

Will there be updates for BA/DA on what they can/can't take from the new stuff in the new codex?

Uh, no? Obviously not.

Saying 'First Founding Chapters' instead of 'Imperial Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands, Ultramarines, White Scars, and Raven Guard' is simply easier.

Why would DA get updated in the C:SM codex? C:SM didn't get any new units out of the CA codex getting launched, nor did C:SM get anything when the BA codex launched.

 HeraldofDisease wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
They are going to make an insane amount of money on the limited editions this time.

agreed. lol

I'm thinking about seven times as much as usual?