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^ Ah yes....point taken :-)

Don't know that much about Cruddace (except for the negetives that I've heard on Dakka) but it seems that he's been told to focus on already existing ideas so it shouldn't be that bad at least there first seem to be any stupid ideas.

 Alpharius wrote:
Didn't someone say 'Centurions' will be on... 60mm bases?!?

Can't wait for the pictures... it can't be long now!

Endobai on Warseer wrote:Another thing I want to correct since people are too excited elsewhere (greetings!) - the Centurions are on 40 mm bases, but seem bigger.

When I wrote they are possibly on 60 mm I ahven't seen the whole White Dwarf SM section yet.

 Anpu42 wrote:
Any clue on the LotD?

This^ They better still be in the book! Hopefully with a points reduction.

And the Sternguard box sounds fantastic. But I was hoping for a combo kit with the Vanguard.

 SickSix wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Any clue on the LotD?

This^ They better still be in the book! Hopefully with a points reduction.

And the Sternguard box sounds fantastic. But I was hoping for a combo kit with the Vanguard.

Same here, if only so I could magnetize everything and save a lot of money.

 pretre wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Didn't someone say 'Centurions' will be on... 60mm bases?!?

Can't wait for the pictures... it can't be long now!

Endobai on Warseer wrote:Another thing I want to correct since people are too excited elsewhere (greetings!) - the Centurions are on 40 mm bases, but seem bigger.

When I wrote they are possibly on 60 mm I ahven't seen the whole White Dwarf SM section yet.

That makes more sense - especially as Dreads are on 60mm bases!

So why do Marines get an AA tank that can split fire, exactly? It will be interesting to see if it can make a dent in the amount of Helldrakes out there. Ach well, if I get one I'll built it into a Hunter, since I've been wanting one for ages now.

I hope they make dreadnaughts kick butt.

New post by Faeit 212:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/new-space-marine-anti-air.html

If these rumors are true (and I hope they are) these new AA vehicles might be a meta-changer.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I hope they make dreadnaughts kick butt.

I second that! Hopefully they don't get the Cruddace Carnifex treatment.

Bulldogging wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
I hope they make dreadnaughts kick butt.

I second that! Hopefully they don't get the Cruddace Carnifex treatment.

40K 6th kind of ruined Dreads, didn't it?

What could Cruddance do to band-aid over it?

 Alpharius wrote:

What could Cruddance do to band-aid over it?

Turn them into flying monstrous creatures.

Force multipliers. Dreads are meant to be heroes of the chapter whose knowledge and skills couldn't be lost and thus had to be given a walking tomb. Leadership bubble, bolter drill, rites of battle; something of that ilk if within 6" of a dread would make them still very useful.

I guess I'm slightly positive about this; I don't mind having Templars folded into Vanilla as long as it's done properly, which it seems to be (from what we know at least). I just have a kernel of nagging doubt that GW isn't going to feth everything up with Templars ending up with psykers and other similar fluff failures.

 Alpharius wrote:

Bulldogging wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
I hope they make dreadnaughts kick butt.

I second that! Hopefully they don't get the Cruddace Carnifex treatment.

40K 6th kind of ruined Dreads, didn't it?

What could Cruddance do to band-aid over it?

1-3, 90-100 points and a 5++ could make them interesting. You could even make them like some other units, such as BA Priests, where you buy multiples in a slot, but can split them up. You could even give them the IC rule, that's just come to me, there may be ramifications I've not thought of.

I love how people talk about 'cruddace' like they know the guy. Codexes/codex authors have no pattern at all, but in the run up to the release we always get these 'oh God not jimbob! Remember what he did to the buttplugs?'

Also tactical squads are staying at ten and not rising massively in price. I got flamed for suggesting that earlier in this very thread so :smugface:

 BryllCream wrote:
I love how people talk about 'cruddace' like they know the guy. Codexes/codex authors have no pattern at all, but in the run up to the release we always get these 'oh God not jimbob! Remember what he did to the buttplugs?'

Except, they do.

All authors (of anything) have a style. This really should not need spelling out.

I just know I'm gonna cave-in and buy those sternguard for bits...

 BryllCream wrote:

Also tactical squads are staying at ten and not rising massively in price. I got flamed for suggesting that earlier in this very thread so :smugface:

They're staying at 10 men, and increasing in price by nearly a third. Something I called and you claimed was bashing GW for things that hadn't happened.

What do you smoke?

 azreal13 wrote:
They're staying at 10 men, and increasing in price by nearly a third. Something I called and you claimed was bashing GW for things that hadn't happened.

What do you smoke?

New price: Space Marine Tactical Squad 10 models + New Upgrade Sprue $40
Old Price: Space Marine Tactical Squad 10 Models $37.25

You have an awful strange way of calculating 'increasing in price by nearly a third'.

 pretre wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
They're staying at 10 men, and increasing in price by nearly a third. Something I called and you claimed was bashing GW for things that hadn't happened.

What do you smoke?

New price: Space Marine Tactical Squad 10 models + New Upgrade Sprue $40
Old Price: Space Marine Tactical Squad 10 Models $37.25

You have an awful strange way of calculating 'increasing in price by nearly a third'.

My bad, I could have sworn that was in Euros, not US.

Oh well, in this case I'm happy to be wrong.

 pretre wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
They're staying at 10 men, and increasing in price by nearly a third. Something I called and you claimed was bashing GW for things that hadn't happened.

What do you smoke?

New price: Space Marine Tactical Squad 10 models + New Upgrade Sprue $40
Old Price: Space Marine Tactical Squad 10 Models $37.25

You have an awful strange way of calculating 'increasing in price by nearly a third'.

Note the flag. They may have jumped by a larger percentage in the UK.

EDIT: Az Ninja'ed an explanation.

 azreal13 wrote:

My bad, I could have sworn that was in Euros, not US.

Oh well, in this case I'm happy to be wrong.

/hugs

Right now, it is still in hazy rumor land though. That may be AUS for all we know.

30 dollars for a single Librarian or Captain---is that correct? If so---nuts.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I guess I'm slightly positive about this; I don't mind having Templars folded into Vanilla as long as it's done properly, which it seems to be (from what we know at least). I just have a kernel of nagging doubt that GW isn't going to feth everything up with Templars ending up with psykers and other similar fluff failures.

I am feeling the same thing.

Sadly I will have to pay a ton for a BT covered book just to see if they are worth playing :(

 pretre wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

My bad, I could have sworn that was in Euros, not US.

Oh well, in this case I'm happy to be wrong.

/hugs

Right now, it is still in hazy rumor land though. That may be AUS for all we know.

Doesn't make me less wrong but this post

 aliusexalio wrote:
Im betting the new tactical marine box of 10 marines will go at around 40 euro's.

Was just before the post containing the leaked prices, my brain must have screwed it all up into a ball.

@bryllo I might have got this wrong, but we still weren't bashing, merely discussing/speculating, and nobody likes a smart arse.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
30 dollars for a single Librarian or Captain---is that correct? If so---nuts.

Every other plastic single-sprue character has been $20, so I assume it's a typo or that's Aus or something.

What exactly are grav weapons? When I first read that, my initial thought was of those Eldar hover weapons platforms the Guardian box comes with. But that can't be right.

 Barzam wrote:
What exactly are grav weapons? When I first read that, my initial thought was of those Eldar hover weapons platforms the Guardian box comes with. But that can't be right.

It's buried deep in the thread somewhere, but basically they wound against armour save, instead of T, so are more effective against better, heavier armour.

 Barzam wrote:
What exactly are grav weapons? When I first read that, my initial thought was of those Eldar hover weapons platforms the Guardian box comes with. But that can't be right.

An old weapon from the days of yore...
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Graviton_gun#.UgKqX20n6QI