Codex: Space Marines [First post updated 27-08-2013 - Leaked White Dwarf images added]

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**Bulldogging**

azreal13 wrote:
Barzam wrote:
What exactly are grav weapons? When I first read that, my initial thought was of those Eldar hover weapons platforms the Guardian box comes with. But that can't be right.

It's buried deep in the thread somewhere, but basically they wound against armour save, instead of T, so are more effective against better, heavier armour.

Which is odd, since they check against Strength, at least in forgeworld rules(unless I missed an update).

**Whumbachumba**

Brother SRM wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:
30 dollars for a single Librarian or Captain---is that correct? If so---nuts.

Every other plastic single-sprue character has been $20, so I assume it's a typo or that's Aus or something.

Hopefully a typo. The new finecast captains they released alongside Apoc are only $22.50 each. I would imagine the new librarian/chaplain to fall more in the price range of about $20 too, but you never know. Can't compare them to the Lizardmen release imo because fantasy will have single model HQ units that cost over $50, but they are also large models. The Eldar release kept their HQ units in the $20 range too, so hopefully that's where these new ones fall.

**Barzam**

okay, so it sounds like it works pretty much like the Gravity Gun from Half-Life. Either make things heavy, or zap them with a hefty dose of heavy gravity/kinetic energy.

**lord_blackfang**

The "main" army of 40k having to suffer Cruddace rules for an edition could kill the game, I think.

**pretre**

lord_blackfang wrote:
The "main" army of 40k having to suffer Cruddace rules for an edition could kill the game, I think.

Oh really? Tell us more of your predictions for the future!

**Azreal13**

lord_blackfang wrote:
The "main" army of 40k having to suffer Cruddace rules for an edition could kill the game, I think.

That's just silly. Besides, its oft been explained that while one writer may lead on a book, they're all collaborative efforts to some degree or a other. The Studio are obviously capable of mistakes, but I think the worst we can expect with this is that its not that exciting and a bit safe.

**YakManDoo**

Jeremy Vetock was quoted at a Games Day saying that after Lizardmen the entire writing process was changing. (I'm assuming that includes C:SM.) They are moving organizationally to a designer group. There may be a name, but Cruddace isn't in a cabin in the woods writing this thing like the Unabomber. Plus, isn't IG one of the most if not second most popular army played?

The link:
http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.com/2013/07/games-day-quick-interviews.html

**unmercifulconker**

Hmm just still a bit worried, its good our units are staying but will that be it? Hope there is some nice fluff still there and our vows as say traits or something. As long as its our own little section i can deal with it and not just some renamed list thrown in willy nilly.

However it will be nice to have these centurion badasses and vanguards in the templars

Also is it just templars that are getting their own section or do other chapters also get a slice like iron hands or something.

Edit: why is this cruddace guy not liked? Should I be concerned?

**pretre**

unmercifulconker wrote:
Also is it just templars that are getting their own section or do other chapters also get a slice like iron hands or something.

Supposedly all the first founding chapters (except those who already have codexes) have their own sections.

**unmercifulconker**

pretre wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
Also is it just templars that are getting their own section or do other chapters also get a slice like iron hands or something.

Supposedly all the first founding chapters (except those who already have codexes) have their own sections.

Now thats sweet.

**pretre**

unmercifulconker wrote:
pretre wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
Also is it just templars that are getting their own section or do other chapters also get a slice like iron hands or something.

Supposedly all the first founding chapters (except those who already have codexes) have their own sections.

Now thats sweet.

Endobai on Warseer wrote:Each 1st founding chapter not covered so far has its section inside the codex. Including timeline.

I am not sure how they will expand it in the supplements, but right now the book seems loaded with information. Not Index Astartes lenght, but might be quite long.

**ClockworkZion**

lord_blackfang wrote:
The "main" army of 40k having to suffer Cruddace rules for an edition could kill the game, I think.

Information about an upcoming codex means the sky is falling, pigs are flying, Hell has frozen over and it's the end of the worlds as we know it?

Must be Wednesday.

**HiveFleetCollossus**

"No Longer Rumors. Here is The Space Marine Release" -From Faeit.

"OK, lets get past rumors, because now I have the actual releases. Very exciting. There is a new Anti-Air tank, with two variants, the Stalker and the Hunter. They look to be amazing releases, and the codex is larger than any other 6th edition codex. 176 pages!!!! Oh yea, Robin Cruddace is the Author."

See for yourself http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2013/08/no-longer-rumors-here-is-space-marine.html

**pretre**

HiveFleetCollossus wrote:
"No Longer Rumors. Here is The Space Marine Release" -From Faeit.

You got ninja'd by about oh... 7 hours.

**YakManDoo**

Would someone please link the obligatory blurry White Dwarf camera phone photos so we can begin complaining about the model quality of the design studio? Pretty please? Pretty please with SoB blood on top?

**Brother SRM**

lord_blackfang wrote:
The "main" army of 40k having to suffer Cruddace rules for an edition could kill the game, I think.

IG went from garbage tier to top tier with Cruddace's IG codex. Worst case scenario we'll get some wonky internal balance.

Even then, codices aren't written in a vacuum. People need to sign off on this stuff.

**Fezman**

Stalker sounds like the better AA option to me, though I'll wait and see...maybe the Hunter can hit ground targets with a large blast or act like a Tau seeker missile or something...

**BlaxicanX**

I can't wait for the book to come out with Templars rolled into it, and for everything to be completely fine.

It'll feel good being vindicated after all those pages of crushing people who hate the idea of Templars being rolled into a C:SM book.

**pretre**

Fezman wrote:
Haven't seen these elsewhere in the thread: some supposed rules for the AA tanks:

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/new-space-marine-anti-air.html

Not bad, only ninja'd by like 4 hours.

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BlaxicanX wrote:
I can't wait for the book to come out with Templars rolled into it, and for everything to be completely fine.

It'll feel good being vindicated after all those pages of crushing people who hate the idea of Templars being rolled into a C:SM book.

I don't imagine it will be too bad. They'll be partially in the book and then there will be a supplement with even more.

**dienekes96**

3 boxes make me quite happy. Having to get a Razorback to get the Chaplain sort of sucks, but hey. I like everything else, though (and I can live with that if the Chappie has an awesome helmet). I'd like pictures more, but whatevs.

**unmercifulconker**

Templar haters are clearly just jealous and/or heretics.

Guess we are gonna be waiting a while for pics though.

**adamsouza**

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
New post by Faeit 212:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/new-space-marine-anti-air.html

If these rumors are true (and I hope they are) these new AA vehicles might be a meta-changer.

How about a copy and paste here on Dakka, so I can read it without being blocked by my work filters, please and thank you

**tvih**

It's really weird if the Chaplain will only be available in the bundle. I don't really need a third Razorback, except perhaps if it comes with the "missing" three weapon options (heavy flamers, lasplas, assault cannons)... but even then I don't really need the command squad, as there's been nothing said that it'd have been revamped in any way. Plus I have four chaplains as it is, so while I might get it separetely, in the bundle... seems unlikely.

**Fezman**

adamsouza wrote:
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
New post by Faeit 212:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/new-space-marine-anti-air.html

If these rumors are true (and I hope they are) these new AA vehicles might be a meta-changer.

How about a copy and paste here on Dakka, so I can read it without being blocked by my work filters, please and thank you

Here it is:

natfka wrote:
Now that we are aware of what models are coming, lets take a look at the new anti-air of the Space Marines. There is a new box set that you can build either variant, the Space Marine Stalker or the Space Marine Hunter

Officially until there is an announcement, we still have to classify these as rumors.

via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
The Space Marine Stalker
Comes with a Icarus Stormcannon Array. Both of these turrets can move independently, and can shoot at two targets at once. Both turrets are three barreled guns.

Space Marine Hunter
Fires a Skyspear Missile from a large single barrel.

Both tanks have several side stabilizers and appear to more heavily armoured along the front and sides. (no stats)

**adamsouza**

Thank you very much !

**AHReese**

Fezman wrote:
adamsouza wrote:
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
New post by Faeit 212:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/new-space-marine-anti-air.html

If these rumors are true (and I hope they are) these new AA vehicles might be a meta-changer.

How about a copy and paste here on Dakka, so I can read it without being blocked by my work filters, please and thank you

Here it is:

natfka wrote:
Now that we are aware of what models are coming, lets take a look at the new anti-air of the Space Marines. There is a new box set that you can build either variant, the Space Marine Stalker or the Space Marine Hunter

Officially until there is an announcement, we still have to classify these as rumors.

via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
The Space Marine Stalker
Comes with a Icarus Stormcannon Array. Both of these turrets can move independently, and can shoot at two targets at once. Both turrets are three barreled guns.

Space Marine Hunter
Fires a Skyspear Missile from a large single barrel.

Both tanks have several side stabilizers and appear to more heavily armoured along the front and sides. (no stats)

3 LasCannon shots at 2 targets each. Ha. If that has Interceptor as well. Double ha.

**Fayric**

tvih wrote:
It's really weird if the Chaplain will only be available in the bundle. I don't really need a third Razorback, except perhaps if it comes with the "missing" three weapon options (heavy flamers, lasplas, assault cannons)... but even then I don't really need the command squad, as there's been nothing said that it'd have been revamped in any way. Plus I have four chaplains as it is, so while I might get it separetely, in the bundle... seems unlikely.

No no no, you got it all wrong. You think you dont need it, but good ol GW gift wrap it in a deal you cant resist.
Once you see the rules, you will need more razorbacks. MOAR RAZAHBACKS!

**1hadhq**

BlaxicanX wrote:
I can't wait for the book to come out with Templars rolled into it, and for everything to be completely fine.

It'll feel good being vindicated after all those pages of crushing people who hate the idea of Templars being rolled into a C:SM book.

The last one seeking vindication was Conrad Curze....

Seriously, we need to see the book before calling it "fine".

So.
Pics?

**spartiatis**

AHReese wrote:
Fezman wrote:
adamsouza wrote:
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
New post by Faeit 212:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/new-space-marine-anti-air.html

If these rumors are true (and I hope they are) these new AA vehicles might be a meta-changer.

How about a copy and paste here on Dakka, so I can read it without being blocked by my work filters, please and thank you

Here it is:

natfka wrote:
Now that we are aware of what models are coming, lets take a look at the new anti-air of the Space Marines. There is a new box set that you can build either variant, the Space Marine Stalker or the Space Marine Hunter

Officially until there is an announcement, we still have to classify these as rumors.

via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
The Space Marine Stalker
Comes with a Icarus Stormcannon Array. Both of these turrets can move independently, and can shoot at two targets at once. Both turrets are three barreled guns.

Space Marine Hunter
Fires a Skyspear Missile from a large single barrel.

Both tanks have several side stabilizers and appear to more heavily armoured along the front and sides. (no stats)

3 LasCannon shots at 2 targets each. Ha. If that has Interceptor as well. Double ha.

Noone said they are lascannon shots ... I wish

They are "stormcannons" ... Time will tell if they are worth it

**AHReese**

spartiatis wrote:
AHReese wrote:
Fezman wrote:
adamsouza wrote:
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
New post by Faeit 212:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/new-space-marine-anti-air.html

If these rumors are true (and I hope they are) these new AA vehicles might be a meta-changer.

How about a copy and paste here on Dakka, so I can read it without being blocked by my work filters, please and thank you

Here it is:

natfka wrote:
Now that we are aware of what models are coming, lets take a look at the new anti-air of the Space Marines. There is a new box set that you can build either variant, the Space Marine Stalker or the Space Marine Hunter

Officially until there is an announcement, we still have to classify these as rumors.

via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
The Space Marine Stalker
Comes with a Icarus Stormcannon Array. Both of these turrets can move independently, and can shoot at two targets at once. Both turrets are three barreled guns.

Space Marine Hunter
Fires a Skyspear Missile from a large single barrel.

Both tanks have several side stabilizers and appear to more heavily armoured along the front and sides. (no stats)

3 LasCannon shots at 2 targets each. Ha. If that has Interceptor as well. Double ha.

Noone said they are lascannon shots ... I wish They are "stormcannons" ... Time will tell if they are worth it

True. I saw the Icarus and my mind made up the rest! Although a new cannon!? Wonder if that will fall at Str8, in between the Auto and Las?