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What if, the CC Centurion is a hard counter to fortifications. Wat else would you do with a breaching drill besides go for oil?

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

T5 with a 4+ invuln wouldn't be bad. And how many people take Demolishers?

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

And yet Mark of Nurgle Obliterators are taken all the time.

i take demolishers...

Demolishers not so much, but the Medusa is the same blast for cheaper and longer range.

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

This can't be serious, right?

...Right?

Is the Medusa AP2?

Gonna bet 50 internet dollars on t6, 1w, 2+/4++.
Dealer....hit me.....

Well really it's all hypothetical. They could be objective markers for all we know.

Only 1 wound would surprise me. They better not be more than 55 points with that.

Someone mentioned Deep strike for the Centurions, right?

They assault ones are probably going to be using some kind of rules similar to the Trygon, I'm guessing.

Or maybe a less complex version of the Hades.

I'm guessing that's how they'll spin it, sometimes marines just need to undermine fortifications and a chain fist just isn't good enough.

They could in theory, go on to explain, that armies like the Blood Angels don't use them, because they prefer going in from above. While Dark Angels teleport and Space Wolves just simply do the direct approach.

The medusa is AP 1 IIRC.

But again, how often do they show up competitively?

What is the point of the assault drills. The underslung melta gun would burn through any vehicle armour or fortification quicker than any drill would do, and they are far to unwieldy to use in close combat, unless you use them as a club that is! haha

I run them quite often. They make enemies go away and when set up right are very hard to kill.

I wonder if you could put the missile launchers on their backs to improve the chest proportions... the rockets could easily have directional systems to fire up then go towards the target.

And I've recently got into 40k and have 325 points spare in my 1850 point IG army (currently plugged with extra Guard I painted for larger games)... purposely saved for the new Marines... woop woop! Hope I can make a Centurian the Marine HQ.

Poncho160 wrote:
What is the point of the assault drills. The underslung melta gun would burn through any vehicle armour or fortification quicker than any drill would do, and they are far to unwieldy to use in close combat, unless you use them as a club that is! haha

Some marines just wanna drill their enemies instead of shoot them.

I'm guessing 2W 5T 2+/5++ maybe 3W or 4++.

4++ would probably be better for the CC ones but it is really anyones guess.

You know the level of conversion required will really be determined by the kit itself. The chest weapon may not even come attached to the chest on the sprew.

 unmercifulconker wrote:

Poncho160 wrote:
What is the point of the assault drills. The underslung melta gun would burn through any vehicle armour or fortification quicker than any drill would do, and they are far to unwieldy to use in close combat, unless you use them as a club that is! haha

Some marines just wanna drill their enemies instead of shoot them.

Space Marines have their man parts removed, but some them still want to get busy. So Captain Freud of the Id Chapter takes all the marines that fail victim to the Lust Rage and organize them into "drilling" units so that they can get that out of their system.

Serious note:

Probably either some "drill from below" deep strike rule or a counter to all the fortifications they sold to everybody.

Exactly what I said, hard counter to fortifications. It matches there MO, create something everyone has to take, then sell something to destroy it utterly.

I suppose it is just a case of saving the melta ammo but thinking about it I just dont really see the point in the drills apart from digging, just give a guardsman a spade, dont waste funds on mega drills.

Exactly what I said, hard counter to fortifications. It matches there MO, create something everyone has to take, then sell something to destroy it utterly.

Excellent point.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I suppose it is just a case of saving the melta ammo but thinking about it I just dont really see the point in the drills apart from digging, just give a guardsman a spade, dont waste funds on mega drills.

In the grim darkness of the far future money is no object. This is the games workshop motto.

Although what would be really nice is if the new commanders come with that bike option... That might be worth $30.

 insaniak wrote:
For me, that's because the biggest issue I have with the grindy ones is the drill. It's a thoroughly implausible close combat weapon, and looks far too unweildy underslung on the arms like that. But the same positioning looks more effective with the shooty version.

Exactly. The drills are entirely too bulky and front heavy. It doesn't help that in the pictures we've seen so far, the drill housings are painted the same color as the bodies of the Centurions. That makes both of those problems even worse.

Then there are the weapons just kind of glued on to the sides of the drills. They don't help either.

Grey Templar wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

T5 with a 4+ invuln wouldn't be bad. And how many people take Demolishers?

Demolishers are pretty common, they are the one of the best LR variants out there, much better than the MBT anyway, and pretty cheap for a str 10 AP2 pie plate.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

And yet Mark of Nurgle Obliterators are taken all the time.

Doesn't mark of nurgle make them T6 and give them some other hardy rule? Or am I missing something? And yet, I have never once seen oblits in a competition chaos list, lots of heldrakes these days though.

whigwam wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

This can't be serious, right?

...Right?

Quite. Do you think Str 10 ap2 large blast on AV14 is a joke? I certainly don't, and neither do most people I fight against.

Mark of Nurgle also gives them FNP. It's probably their best mark.

So what I'm hearing is you want these to be T6 with W2

Or eternal warrior. That doesn't get used nearly enough.