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Meh, IG codex was decent by him and Nids were useful up to 5th so, less of the Curddace hate.
PK imho is a worse rules writer. By far.

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 Ratius wrote:
Meh, IG codex was decent by him and Nids were useful up to 5th so, less of the Curddace hate.
PK imho is a worse rules writer. By far.
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NO they were not a decent codex. A decent codex is when ALL units can be used. IG and Nids, only a select units were used, and a few others were NEVER used.

So I believe the Cruddace sp? critique is justified.

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Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

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 Ratius wrote:
Meh, IG codex was decent by him and Nids were useful up to 5th so, less of the Curddace hate.
PK imho is a worse rules writer. By far.


That's enough to start a 10 to 20 page flame war right there.
   
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natfka wrote:Well, its been found, and I've read it. The Black Templars are officially part of the Space Marine codex. Before readers get upset about it, Robbin Cruddace talks very specifically about the subject in the September White Dwarf.

I will not quote what is said, for obvious reasons. Here is a rundown of what is important.

*The Black Templar are now part of the Space Marine codex
*Black Templar are the only chapter with access to Crusader Squads with Land Raider dedicated transports. Also the only chapter with Emperor's Champions.
*Allows many more units and flexibility being apart of the Space Marine codex.
*Unique Black Templar background and lore is in the codex as well.
*Each of the first founding chapters and the Black Templar have access to unique chapter tactics for their chapter.
*Imperial Fists are seige specialists and tank hunters
*Salamanders are flame weapon experts
*There are 30 successor chapters mentioned in the new codex.


I take this to meaning that the Black Templar will be getting their own supplement. As well as others like the Imperial Fists and Salamanders.

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Ratius wrote:
Meh, IG codex was decent by him and Nids were useful up to 5th so, less of the Curddace hate.
PK imho is a worse rules writer. By far.



That's enough to start a 10 to 20 page flame war right there.


hehehe, we shall leave my view in the ether then so
(start another anti Cruddace thread in general chat? )

Anywhooooo

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Re: Centurions
Bits wise, what I'm seeing is
3 helmets
3 bare heads
a helmet crest on the las-cannon Sgt
a targeting array on the las-cannon Sgt
six pauldrons
three lower body/leg sets. looking at them in both the IF and UM painted pics, you can see that there are three specific leg poses.
There only looks to be three groin plates, but it looks like there is more than 3 sets of thigh plates. So those might be separate bits.
Three upper bodies/chest plates.
Six arms
Chesticles for frag launchers, hurricane bolters, and missiles (on the Las-cannon Sgt).
two sets of HB and a set of Las-Cannons
Three sets of Breaching Drills, two sets of flamers and a set of meltas.

I'm going to bet 3 sprues, one that will be 2 full bodys, one that will be most of the weapon parts, and one that will have the Sgt. bits. The Breaching drills are likely to be three or so pieces, the HBs will be 2-3 pieces, and the LCs will be 2-3 parts. Magnets will be your friend.

Size wise, if you look at the bare heads, and use those as references, these things are probably on 60mm bases, and close to if not the same size as a dreadnought in height. The top of a basic marine's helmet will probably reach to the beltline on a Centurion.

Weaponswise,
The chesticles look like
Frag Launchers - probably act as offensive/defensive grenades.
Hurricane Bolter - same as a basic Hurricane Bolter (so 3 twin linked bolter shots, meaning if all 3 centurions have machinegun titties, you're looking at the same shooting output as a tactical squad).
Missile Launcher - probably equivalent to a Cyclone or Typhoon. I'm betting St5, multiple blast, 24-36" range to supplement the machinegun titties.
All are possibly one use only.

Assault arms - twin linked flamer or TL Melta, Breaching Drill is probably something along the lines of St10, Armorbane or 2d6 Armor Pen, and I like the idea of special rules against fortifications. Potentially ignore terrain.
Shooty Arms - Here's the tough call. Are their boomsticks TL, or not? And can they split fire? I'm betting the hands are power mittens, and count as dual wielded PFs. Will they get to carry something other than HB/LCs? I can imagine how much win these would be swinging a plasma cannon on each arm (or spectacular fail). Or a missile pod.

Roolz?
Higher than normal toughness and strength, of course. Initiative LD and Attacks on par with a vet. Extra wounds? it would make sense, given how big they might be. Saves same as Termi, or better. Etc. I'm betting they count as 3+ transport slots/very bulky, and can only be carried in a drop pod. I doubt that they have teleporter (gotta leave something for the Termis, right?).
0-1 on the FOC, either/or Assault or Heavy, or as Elite.
unit of 3 before upgrades should probably clock in the same as a Land Raider, so probably 70-80 or so points a piece?

Fluff?
Emulating the Gauntlets of Ultramar/Marneus Calgar's awesome suit of win, but since the technology is inscrutable and impossible to truly replicate, make it bigger. And only the most baddestest of the gnarled veterans get to ride in the stompy suits. Only ever activated in times of direstestest needs, which is always, because grimdark.

My ony practical question is how do they put their helmets on/wipe the mud and gore sprayed onto them off? Or do they have a servitor that follows them around with a hanky and o-ring lube?

I actually like these models (someone I think owes me $20, since I'm in my late 30s). It'll be neat to see them painted in less radiant hues, maybe with some chipping/weathering.




 Kroothawk wrote:


Centurions (3 for 78$):
Built as Assault Squad:

Built as Devastator Squad:


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Any word about Legion of the Damned in the new C:SM?

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 VoidAngel wrote:
Any word about Legion of the Damned in the new C:SM?

From what I read from various places. They are in the book.

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And probably the same. Unremarkable as they are.

Now, if they changed LotD to be an upgrade for any squad...

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In is good. The same...not as much. MOAR LotD, MOAR I say! Seriously, and option to field them as an army would be amazeballs. Something like the Astorath option...?

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Ravenguard look intresting to me think i will have to get my hands on some of them yup liking the new stuff

 
   
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 VoidAngel wrote:
Any word about Legion of the Damned in the new C:SM?


40K Radio, I believe, said that their weapons now ignore cover. Hopefully they'll adjust the point costs (down). 20pts for special weapons and 30pts for a heavy flamer is absurd. I hope to be able to actually field them now, as I really like the models.
   
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Per Apocalypse 40k, per 40kradio
1.Centurion "devastator" come with Twin-Linked Heavy bolter and hurricane bolter for 60 pts. You can have up to 6 in a squad.
2. Legion of the Damned have flaming projectiles. All ranged attacks have ignore cover special rule.
3. Black Templars are in the book. They can not take some selections but have access to Centurions, Thunderfires, and so on. They have special rules for Chapter Tactics.
4.Chapter Tactics for the following chapters: Ultramarines, White Scars, Imperial Fist, Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard. They have two special rules per choice.

Notes on Centurions:

Centurions can be taken as Elites or Heavy.

Heavy support are the devastator option. They come with twin-linked Heavy bolters and Hurricane bolters. Hurricane can be upgraded to missile and HB upgraded to Twin- Las cannon or Grav-cannon and grav-amp.
Can upgrade to omniscope which gives night fight and split fire special rules.
They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.
Special Rules: Slow and Purposeful, Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase), Very Bulky, Chapter Tactics, and TSKNF.

Elites are the assault option. They come with Siege Drills at S9, twin-linked flamers and Ironclad assault launchers. They can upgrade flamers to meltas and assault launcher can be upgraded to hurricane bolters.
Can upgrade to omniscope which gives night fight and split fire special rules.
They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.
Special Rules: Move through cover, Slow and Purposeful, Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase), Very Bulky, Chapter Tactics, and TSKNF.

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Surely the Centurions can't be on 60mm bases if they can get in a Land Raider. I know Gw tanks are hardly to scale with infantry, but come on...

Or is the circus in town?

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I heard rumor of a new base size, (50mm?) just for them. but grain of salt.



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Will we have more Chapter tactics for non first founding chapters/templars (like a homebrew chapter trait chart?), or will we see a repeat of the sad, terrible combat/chapter tactics in 5th?


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 wolfmerc wrote:
I heard rumor of a new base size, (50mm?) just for them. but grain of salt.
Seems to be the way they are doing it. They already have a model in 50mm, and these are bigger than termies (40mm), but smaller than dreads (60mm).

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I can only say...

I've seen things you people wouldn't buy. Unbalanced SM vehicles on fire off the shoulder of Ultramarine. I watched gaudily painted Centurions glitter in the dark near the Cadian gate. All those characters will be cast in finecost... like the yearly price increase... Time to die

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Nice

Now someone needs to dub that to the movie...

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

EDIT again: Damnit, not a doublepost at all, bloody forums.

Anyway: for the love of jeebus, will someone -please- leak the Chapter Tactics for the Iron Hands, I must know if I'll finally be able to take Terminator Sergeants for my Tac squads again.

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mothman_451 wrote:
Per Apocalypse 40k, per 40kradio
1.Centurion "devastator" come with Twin-Linked Heavy bolter and hurricane bolter for 60 pts. You can have up to 6 in a squad.

Yup, almost definitely trash. I even assumed the HB's might be independent. How silly of me. Their only possible saving grace is the gravitron cannons.


2. Legion of the Damned have flaming projectiles. All ranged attacks have ignore cover special rule.

If they aren't absurdly priced again these might end up being very, very good.

4.Chapter Tactics for the following chapters: Ultramarines, White Scars, Imperial Fist, Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard. They have two special rules per choice.

Oh, that is sweet music to my ears.

Notes on Centurions:

Centurions can be taken as Elites or Heavy.

The first person I see that maxes out on these things I am going to laugh, really, really hard at.

Heavy support are the devastator option. They come with twin-linked Heavy bolters and Hurricane bolters. Hurricane can be upgraded to missile and HB upgraded to Twin- Las cannon or Grav-cannon and grav-amp.

Can upgrade to omniscope which gives night fight and split fire special rules.

Crappy.

They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.

Meh.

Special Rules: Slow and Purposeful, Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase), Very Bulky, Chapter Tactics, and TSKNF.

Mediocre.

Elites are the assault option. They come with Siege Drills at S9, twin-linked flamers and Ironclad assault launchers. They can upgrade flamers to meltas and assault launcher can be upgraded to hurricane bolters.

Unwieldy or not? AP2 or not? Price?

Special Rules: Move through cover, Slow and Purposeful, Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase), Very Bulky, Chapter Tactics, and TSKNF.
   
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Madocyw wrote:
Re: Centurions
Bits wise, what I'm seeing is
3 helmets
3 bare heads
a helmet crest on the las-cannon Sgt
a targeting array on the las-cannon Sgt
six pauldrons
three lower body/leg sets. looking at them in both the IF and UM painted pics, you can see that there are three specific leg poses.
There only looks to be three groin plates, but it looks like there is more than 3 sets of thigh plates. So those might be separate bits.

Groin and thigh plates look to be a single piece.
Unless there are two heads, the crest could be seperate.

Can see these in a combat engineering role but they should have more mechanicum stuff on them.
   
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 Yodhrin wrote:
For the love of jeebus will someone -please- leak the Chapter Tactics for the Iron Hands, I have to know if I can finally have legal Terminator Sergeants in my Tac squads again.
Or what the Chapter Tactics are completely, like are they similar to 4th ed traits or CT from 5th. The 4th ed had so much personalization than the 5th edition dex. I feel my plans for Blood Ravens specific tactics seem threatened.

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Seeing as the Assault versions have the Fast Attack logo on them, I somehow doubt the options for the Centurions are Elites/Heavy.

I mean, if they couldn't even get that much right, who knows about the rest of the 'info' that they talked about? >.>

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 wolfmerc wrote:
I heard rumor of a new base size, (50mm?) just for them. but grain of salt.



I doubt it. It would go on the 60mm like thunder wolves etc. otherwise, it's a whole new base they have to gear up and make one kit at the moment.

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 Mr.Omega wrote:
mothman_451 wrote:
Per Apocalypse 40k, per 40kradio
1.Centurion "devastator" come with Twin-Linked Heavy bolter and hurricane bolter for 60 pts. You can have up to 6 in a squad.

Yup, almost definitely trash. I even assumed the HB's might be independent. How silly of me. Their only possible saving grace is the gravitron cannons.


2. Legion of the Damned have flaming projectiles. All ranged attacks have ignore cover special rule.

If they aren't absurdly priced again these might end up being very, very good.

4.Chapter Tactics for the following chapters: Ultramarines, White Scars, Imperial Fist, Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard. They have two special rules per choice.

Oh, that is sweet music to my ears.

Notes on Centurions:

Centurions can be taken as Elites or Heavy.

The first person I see that maxes out on these things I am going to laugh, really, really hard at.

Heavy support are the devastator option. They come with twin-linked Heavy bolters and Hurricane bolters. Hurricane can be upgraded to missile and HB upgraded to Twin- Las cannon or Grav-cannon and grav-amp.

Can upgrade to omniscope which gives night fight and split fire special rules.

Crappy.

They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.

Meh.

Special Rules: Slow and Purposeful, Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase), Very Bulky, Chapter Tactics, and TSKNF.

Mediocre.

Elites are the assault option. They come with Siege Drills at S9, twin-linked flamers and Ironclad assault launchers. They can upgrade flamers to meltas and assault launcher can be upgraded to hurricane bolters.

Unwieldy or not? AP2 or not? Price?

Special Rules: Move through cover, Slow and Purposeful, Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase), Very Bulky, Chapter Tactics, and TSKNF.


Wow, I called it! Centurions are gonna be the Mutilators of the Space Marine codex...

Rest of the rules look kickass, especially the two special rules per chapter bit.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

boyd wrote:
 wolfmerc wrote:
I heard rumor of a new base size, (50mm?) just for them. but grain of salt.



I doubt it. It would go on the 60mm like thunder wolves etc. otherwise, it's a whole new base they have to gear up and make one kit at the moment.


They already make 50mm round bases for one of the Hobbit characters,

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"They already make 50mm round bases for one of the Hobbit characters"

Waitaminute...someone would have to purchase Lord of the Ring products to know that. And that would imply that someone PLAYS LotR games - which we know is simply not true...

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