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I'll be happy if I can take a Shrike Wing.

Okay, so $4.00 each per tactical marine, $8.00 each vanguard, $10.00 each fot a sternguard, $26.00 each centurion, $30.00 each character and $58.00 fo the book??? Oh GW, you give me so much love, and hours of enjoyment reading threads, buy never buying models.

Proportion wise they make terminators look like davinci drew them... unless the arms are tucked into the chest armor or something, there is just absolutely no fething way in the world that they are in the actual suit arms... the hands would be at the biceps, the elbow in the shoulder...

Other stuff looks nice enough, but I am completely bored with GW at this point. Just looks like the same old stuff with some extra bits stuck on here and there. In fact that is almost exactly what it is isn't it?

 VoidAngel wrote:
"They already make 50mm round bases for one of the Hobbit characters"

Waitaminute...someone would have to purchase Lord of the Ring products to know that. And that would imply that someone PLAYS LotR games - which we know is simply not true...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat970015a&prodId=prod2130118a

That mounted base isn't 40 or 60mm, but its a bit bigger than that 28mm for the foot Azog. Therefore: Mounted Azog's on a new 50mm.

 ace101 wrote:

 VoidAngel wrote:
"They already make 50mm round bases for one of the Hobbit characters"

Waitaminute...someone would have to purchase Lord of the Ring products to know that. And that would imply that someone PLAYS LotR games - which we know is simply not true...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat970015a&prodId=prod2130118a

That mounted base isn't 40 or 60mm, but its a bit bigger than that 28mm for the foot Azog. Therefore: Mounted Azog's on a new 50mm.

Well I guess they found a way to get he 50mm bases into use then. Not seeing light of day, so they'll get shoved into the pace marine camp to get circulated . Or not

It is a bitter sweet feeling with BT being put into the new codex. I hate myself for being excited about it...

 EmperorsChampion wrote:
It is a bitter sweet feeling with BT being put into the new codex. I hate myself for being excited about it...

Sure, not having your own book kind of sucks. But, on the other hand, you are going to get updated more often, and get a bunch of the cool toys that Codex: Space Marines gets! (Thunderfire Cannons!)

Gonna keep spamming this, but does anyone have any idea on the Chapter tactics system?

Probably not, or we would have heard about it by now!

 ace101 wrote:
Gonna keep spamming this, but does anyone have any idea on the Chapter tactics system?

No need to spam asking it. I'm sure it will be posted here as soon as anyone has any info!

Curious to see what CT the White Scars get. Personaly I think they should have the plastic characters be 2 kits, 1 to make the Librarian or Chaplain and 1 to make a captain but have a larger range of bits for the captain so people could make him to fit their chapter (bionics for Iron Hands, scale cloaks for Salamanders etc.)

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Curious to see what CT the White Scars get. Personaly I think they should have the plastic characters be 2 kits, 1 to make the Librarian or Chaplain and 1 to make a captain but have a larger range of bits for the captain so people could make him to fit their chapter (bionics for Iron Hands, scale cloaks for Salamanders etc.)

Skilled Rider should be one of the Special Rules that White Scars get >.>

 Miguelsan wrote:
I can only say...

I've seen things you people wouldn't buy. Unbalanced SM vehicles on fire off the shoulder of Ultramarine. I watched gaudily painted Centurions glitter in the dark near the Cadian gate. All those characters will be cast in finecost... like the yearly price increase... Time to die

M.

Yeah so Miguelsan has now established himself as an historic genius on par with Philip K. Dick, complete with a meta-meta reference to the first ancestors of space marines (Replicants) in reference to GW narratology in reference to GW business practices. Very grim-post-modern-dark.com/awesome.

I love how those "stabilizers" on the hunter/stalker have no foot on them and would essentially do nothing aside from plunge into the ground

The turrets looks neat though, easy fix is to leave some of that extra garbage off the chassis.

Centurions are just a stupid idea executed poorly but honestly nothing new needs to be added to make that book exciting. Here's to hoping that point costs and special rules make marines a bit more competitive in the dawn of Xenos hammer.

augustmanifesto wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
I can only say...

I've seen things you people wouldn't buy. Unbalanced SM vehicles on fire off the shoulder of Ultramarine. I watched gaudily painted Centurions glitter in the dark near the Cadian gate. All those characters will be cast in finecost... like the yearly price increase... Time to die

M.

Yeah so Miguelsan has now established himself as an historic genius on par with Philip K. Dick, complete with a meta-meta reference to the first ancestors of space marines (Replicants) in reference to GW narratology in reference to GW business practices. Very grim-post-modern-dark.com/awesome.

Accelerated decrepitude! Complaining about GW on dakka is like tears in rain

 EYEofTERROR wrote:

augustmanifesto wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
I can only say...

I've seen things you people wouldn't buy. Unbalanced SM vehicles on fire off the shoulder of Ultramarine. I watched gaudily painted Centurions glitter in the dark near the Cadian gate. All those characters will be cast in finecost... like the yearly price increase... Time to die

M.

Yeah so Miguelsan has now established himself as an historic genius on par with Philip K. Dick, complete with a meta-meta reference to the first ancestors of space marines (Replicants) in reference to GW narratology in reference to GW business practices. Very grim-post-modern-dark.com/awesome.

Accelerated decrepitude! Complaining about GW on dakka is like tears in rain

We shall make a storm.

Great the see the Chaplain and Librarian! But what is GW's deal with producing the same looking Captains over and over again? They often have that sideward sword and clutch their weapon in a ridiculous way. Plus, this one doesn't look that different from the current Commander kit and Sicarius. If anything, its a mash up of the two!

Also, for us non BT Fist successor chapter players, it would be really annoying if the fluff revisionism of the Emperor's Champion as BT only is true! If there perhaps were rules to show how it's less common, sure, but a total removal?

AHReese wrote:

Also, for us non BT Fist successor chapter players, it would be really annoying if the fluff revisionism of the Emperor's Champion as BT only is true! If there perhaps were rules to show how it's less common, sure, but a total removal?

Not sure what you're talking about when you say removal or revisionism. Only the Black Templars have ever had Emperor's Champions. Unless you're talking about some 3rd edition or before fluff.

Other chapters have had Company Champions, though.

Okay, so $4.00 each per tactical marine, $8.00 each vanguard, $10.00 each fot a sternguard, $26.00 each centurion, $30.00 each character and $58.00 fo the book??? Oh GW, you give me so much love, and hours of enjoyment reading threads, buy never buying models.

Let the Stealth price increases and the ongoing revenue streamlining process continue!!!

And of course the wonderful English quote by Thoma Tusser for those blindly loyal to Games Workshop.

A foole & his money,
be soone at debate:
which after with sorow,
repents him to late.

 kronk wrote:
Not sure what you're talking about when you say removal or revisionism. Only the Black Templars have ever had Emperor's Champions. Unless you're talking about some 3rd edition or before fluff.

When the Emperor's Champion was first introduced in 3rd edition, he was available specifically to BTs... but at that point in time, BTs were just Space Marines painted black. Chapter Approved opened him up to all Chapters.

When the 4th edition BT Codex came out, he reverted to BT only, ruleswise, although the fluff in his codex entry mentions that other Chapters do have Emperor's Champions still... there are just no rules for doing so in game.

ultimentra wrote:

whigwam wrote:

ultimentra wrote:Toughness 5 would be a joke, they would need Iron Arm in order to stay alive, other wise 1 Leman Russ demolisher could wipe a squad of them with a single blast, or anything else thats strength 10 low AP for that matter.

If they were toughness 5 I would probably never take them unless they were immune to ID.

This can't be serious, right?

...Right?

Quite. Do you think Str 10 ap2 large blast on AV14 is a joke? I certainly don't, and neither do most people I fight against.

Yes, a bad joke. There's a reason Demolishers don't appear in competitive play at all. They are slow, short-ranged, and extremely avoidable. They're also DS Melta-bait and it looks like Centurions are a delivery system for exactly that. What I think is a joke is the idea that a unit's viability depends at all on its ability to survive a S10 AP2 blast to the face. T5, 2W, 2+/5++ is extremely survivable, as good as it can possibly get for an infantry model. Really. If that's not enough, then I suppose T6, 3W, 2+/4++ would be unacceptable because of the high risk of getting Daemonhammered.

 insaniak wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Not sure what you're talking about when you say removal or revisionism. Only the Black Templars have ever had Emperor's Champions. Unless you're talking about some 3rd edition or before fluff.

When the Emperor's Champion was first introduced in 3rd edition, he was available specifically to BTs... but at that point in time, BTs were just Space Marines painted black. Chapter Approved opened him up to all Chapters.

I see. Thanks!

I always assumed those "other chapters" were BT successor chapters. I'm not sure if I had a basis in the fluff for thinking that...I've been in it since RT, I've read a lot of fluff over the years.

 insaniak wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Not sure what you're talking about when you say removal or revisionism. Only the Black Templars have ever had Emperor's Champions. Unless you're talking about some 3rd edition or before fluff.

When the Emperor's Champion was first introduced in 3rd edition, he was available specifically to BTs... but at that point in time, BTs were just Space Marines painted black. Chapter Approved opened him up to all Chapters. When the 4th edition BT Codex came out, he reverted to BT only, ruleswise, although the fluff in his codex entry mentions that other Chapters do have Emperor's Champions still... there are just no rules for doing so in game.

Right. That's what I was alluding too. Although I didn't realize he was moved to BT only for 4th. I had to find some old torn out White Dwarf pages with the Index Astartes Crimson Fist fluff in it to double check that they did mention having a rarely fielded Emperor's Champions. Although it also mentions how the armor was likely destroyed at Rynn's World so it's understandable they don't have it anymore!

But on the back of that page, a guide to make a custom game board based on the Fire Warrior computer game. Some days those were!

Gonna keep spamming this, but does anyone have any idea on the Chapter tactics system?

I'm guessing it will be simialr to the Legion rules from HH. Pick a Legion for your detachment and you get its rules army wide.

augustmanifesto wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
I can only say...

I've seen things you people wouldn't buy. Unbalanced SM vehicles on fire off the shoulder of Ultramarine. I watched gaudily painted Centurions glitter in the dark near the Cadian gate. All those characters will be cast in finecost... like the yearly price increase... Time to die

M.

Yeah so Miguelsan has now established himself as an historic genius on par with Philip K. Dick, complete with a meta-meta reference to the first ancestors of space marines (Replicants) in reference to GW narratology in reference to GW business practices. Very grim-post-modern-dark.com/awesome.

Thanks I'm so awesome.

M.

 VoidAngel wrote:
I always assumed those "other chapters" were BT successor chapters.

There is nothing in any official fluff that I'm aware of that indicates that BTs have any successors.

fluff-wise these days, it seems like it is only Imperial Fists and Black Templars that are the only one's using an EC...
there was one in Seventh Retribution, with the Imp Fists, and we know the BT's have them...
i have yet to read an actual story with them seeing action outside of these two chapters...

it will be interesting to see the changes that this Codex will bring to the background...

oh yeah, and plastic Vanguard and Sternguard are must buys for me...
plastic characters, too...

cheers
jah

 insaniak wrote:

 VoidAngel wrote:
I always assumed those "other chapters" were BT successor chapters.

There is nothing in any official fluff that I'm aware of that indicates that BTs have any successors.

Sorry, other Sons of Dorn, is what I meant. Like those awful Space Marines from the Legion of the Damned novel...Excoriatiors? Excrementors? Something like that. *shudder*

 insaniak wrote:

 VoidAngel wrote:
I always assumed those "other chapters" were BT successor chapters.

There is nothing in any official fluff that I'm aware of that indicates that BTs have any successors.

Maybe not officially, but there are many IF successors that follow similar doctrines and for all intents and purposes are BTs.

The BTs are following the ways of the original legion to the letter, and many chapters follow in their footsteps.