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 thenoobbomb wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I actually like the Centurions well enough to regret that they don't fit with my army (White Scars)

Same. Only difference is I play Dark Angels and Blood Angels. I can't take them

Libby. Scouts. Centurians. Allied Detachment,

I see the Centurions as a solution to the whole Hell-Turkey problem. With them being a 2+ save this will make them less affective. One squad of these could make a good defender for your backfield along with a Hunter.

Nosebiter wrote:
Wow!

I cant believe how many pages of this thread is centurion dissing and hate.

Finding actual usefull pictures and rumors is almost impossible. Have you considered opening a centurion thhread so you can hate there instead of muddling up this thread.

A: Try reading the actual title, it's not hard to find the pics.
B: Most of the pages and pages of centurion hate happened within 24 hours of their reveal. We have a very large amount of traffic and members here, it is no surprise the peak generated a great deal of posts, and many pages at that. People, much like yourself, want to chip in their 2 cents.
C: There is a large amount of centurion hate but other than that generally people seem to be ok with everything else... don't fall victim to what you are complaining about yourself by looking only at the negative and ignoring the positive.

Seriously guys, complaining about complaining is also complaining lol...

 His Master's Voice wrote:
And your solution to introducing new units would be?

"And as the Arch-Heretic, Abbaddon, launched his 13th Black Crusade many Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes turned to reserves of experimental armour created but never used during the God-Emperor's Great Crusade. These Centurions, meant to be the next evolution of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, never saw service as the ravages of the Horus Heresy took resources away from their manufacture. But now, with Abbaddon's wolves at the very door of the Imperium itself, and with the Imperium beset on all sides by terrors within, without and beyond, these ancient untested weapons of war stand as a bulwark against the approaching tide."

- OR -

"Nah brah! They've always been there. For thousands of years we've 'ad 'em! Just off camera. For reals and all that!"

Or Emprah forbid the Adeptus Mechanicus actually invent something lol...

 Zweischneid wrote:
B) Everyone (e.g. H.R.M.C. et al.) was whining just the same, and just as much about Sanguinary Guards, fluff, nipple and all (like they do for every GW release).

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 MajorTom11 wrote:
Or Emprah forbid the Adeptus Mechanicus actually invent something lol...

40K is a litany of not introducing "new" and "high-tech" things, unless they're actually old things. 40K technology works backwards, getting better as you go back in the timeline. That's a universal constant, something I have first hand experience with given I've written fluff for numerous weapons and pieces of equipment.

I will admit, GW did shoot themselves in the foot slightly with the tech-heresy fluff, so I can slightly understand the retconning. Still, a more creative solution like that of H.M.B.C would be preferable, especially for something as significant as an entire new armour type.

 Zweischneid wrote:
And yes, people complain about the new stuff. They don't specifically complain about the Broadsides or Wraithguards, just like they don't complain much about the new Vanguard Vets. Those are just a re-hashs of the same-old, same-old. No creativity, but nobody is offended either. The shitstorm is always the new stuff. Riptide. Wraithknight. Now Centurions.

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"The gak storm is always the new stuff". What... you want us to make threads to complain about the old stuff?

New info comes out, and people post their opinions about it. What about that is so difficult for you to comprehend Zwei?

It's been a mixed release for me.

When I saw the Centurions I figured "well, now I can finally start Eldar".

Then I saw the Vanguard and HQ options and now I have all my old Space Marine models on the table to figure out how I can make a full Raven Guard company!

The good news for me is that unless they really retcon the fluff of the Raven Guard I will probably be okay without the Centurions.

Looks like Chappies get a "command" squad again. Which I think is nice Fluff return.

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Well, the Broadside and the plastic Wraithguard were specifically brought up as examples about "people don't complain about non-bad models".

I pointed out that this is a fallacy, as they were simply updated models for existing unit, thus an imperfect comparison to the (like the Riptide, Wraithknight, Heldrake, etc..,) all-new Centurions, who all, without exception, faced similar critique. What's so difficult for you to comprehend H.B.M.C.?

 Zweischneid wrote:
But who says the Centurions are supposed to special in this "Sanguinary-Guard" style way? They are a siege-warfare exo-skeleton, that a regular Marine will step-into (or out-of) without taking off his Power Armour. I doubt it's the Sanguinary Guard (or even 1st Company Terminators) guys in a Chapter that get this job.

That is the point in all of this!
If they are just some heavy exo-skeleton, then why the "They have been here for 5000 years!"?
They could just say that they are a new invention, nobody would complain and none of the old fluff would be massacred.

But now we'll probably get some lore on "They were used in battle X and Y" while my codex doesn't mention anything like that.

This thread is a samsara. I suppose, no new pics?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
And your solution to introducing new units would be?

"And as the Arch-Heretic, Abbaddon, launched his 13th Black Crusade many Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes turned to reserves of experimental armour created but never used during the God-Emperor's Great Crusade. These Centurions, meant to be the next evolution of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, never saw service as the ravages of the Horus Heresy took resources away from their manufacture. But now, with Abbaddon's wolves at the very door of the Imperium itself, and with the Imperium beset on all sides by terrors within, without and beyond, these ancient untested weapons of war stand as a bulwark against the approaching tide."

- OR -

"Nah brah! They've always been there. For thousands of years we've 'ad 'em! Just off camera. For reals and all that!"

That reads like the exact same thing to me. We had it, you never saw us using it, now you do.

As I said, I don't think it's all that relevant.

Why couldn’t the centurions just be a rediscovered STC? Or maybe they only just barely finish manufacturing them. The Imperium doesn’t flat out ever create new technology; they do it extremely slowly. There are tons of research stations and experimental outposts, it just takes hundreds if not thousands of years for anything “new” to be properly tested, retested, approved, disapproved, reapproved, retested, scrapped, revitalized, then tested again. So there is no reason that a new piece of Space Marine war gear couldn’t have been in the works for five millennia.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Or Emprah forbid the Adeptus Mechanicus actually invent something lol...

40K is a litany of not introducing "new" and "high-tech" things, unless they're actually old things. 40K technology works backwards, getting better as you go back in the timeline. That's a universal constant, something I have first hand experience with given I've written fluff for numerous weapons and pieces of equipment.

Maybe Centurions were invented 5000 years ago, but it took that long for them to be approved? Maybe the STC was incomplete and the AdMech had to fill in the gaps over time? Or maybe the ship carrying them was lost in the warp for millennia and the had prototypes to be checked to make sure they were untainted?

There are several ways they can be slid into fluff without causing major upset. Short of having a time machine, I think I can just go with the fluff for them.

They could kill two birds with one stone.

Introduce a new model, but write the fluff to say "Chapter X discovered the STC for the exo-suit and has been using them to fight Y and now it has spread to all the chapters."

You get to have people complain about a new model and you get to have people who play Chapter X complain that everybody gets to have "their" toy now!

Imperial Deceit wrote:
Why couldn’t the centurions just be a rediscovered STC? Or maybe they only just barely finish manufacturing them. The Imperium doesn’t flat out ever create new technology; they do it extremely slowly. There are tons of research stations and experimental outposts, it just takes hundreds if not thousands of years for anything “new” to be properly tested, retested, approved, disapproved, reapproved, retested, scrapped, revitalized, then tested again. So there is no reason that a new piece of Space Marine war gear couldn’t have been in the works for five millennia.

Either way, it wouldn't really make a difference, given that the 40K timeline doesn't progress.

The 6th Edition Space Marines Codex is not "set" one minute later in the 40K-timeline than the 3rd Edition Space Marines Codex.

Whether the Centurions are explained as having been discovered 5 minutes ago, or 5 millennia ago, the question on why they are in the 6th Edition book, but not the 3rd to 5th Edition book, would remain the same.

As long as they don't change existing works, as Cruddace sadly did with the Hive War fluff to shoehorn his Swarmlord creation into the 40k-verse, I think it'll be fine.

Okay what I don't get is that supposedly a marine is inside of this thing right? I just see him being very comfortable....








Also when are they going to stop using this BS line of "we have been using them for 5,000 years"? I know the whole in the future there is only war and they are not really making anything new anymore. That was OK when a unit here or there was coming out, but it has gotten a little old. How about they just drop it and say that they are finally making some new crap like the Tau do?

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Everyone whines continuously about everything that is to be released.
Then, it turns out to be good in-game, and all of the sudden, all of the haters absolutely love them.

Also, this comment is absolutely baseless.

Helldrake.

I know a lot of people that liked the Helldrake model at first glance, myself included. 99% of the comments I've seen regarding the Centurions are negative.

http://www.captureandcontrol.com/

Literally, look at this poll - 73% at current think the Centurions suck.

I also specifically intended to point out that the Codex hasn't been released yet, but eh you got me.


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 HoverBoy wrote:
I don't remember people complaining when GW released good looking models.

I wonder why?

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Also, the GW website has changed and now there's a giant Aquila where the new release header usually is. Hinting at C:SM I presume?

I don't think internet message board surveys are a proper selection of the 40k playing community as a whole. For every person that posts stuff there probably 9 people that just read and move on. On top of that, there's probably another 9 that don't even use message boards. Just because the loudest people have an opinion doesn't make it a fact.

On topic: I'll probably be maxing slots with Centurions just to aggrivate. Suck it haters.

 Lord Scythican wrote:

Okay what I don't get is that supposedly a marine is inside of this thing right? I just see him being very comfortable....

Well, we need pics of the Centurions from the back. All rumour-mongors say the model is semi-open on the backside, and that you can actually see the Power-armoured Marine and the mechanics he uses to steer the larger suit. So (unlike Terminator Armour) it would have to pay some reference to the regular Power-Armour anatomy.

I doubt the Marine is meant to be filling the suit out like regular armour, unless his name's Stretch Armstrong. His body is probably meant to be suspended in a harness or bundles of synthetic muscle or some other sci-fi doohickey.

 Zweischneid wrote:

Kangodo wrote:


But stuff like these Centurions, they aren't that special; they don't look special.

A) We haven't actually seen/read the Centurions fluff yet.

B) Everyone (e.g. H.R.M.C. et al.) was whining just the same, and just as much about Sanguinary Guards, fluff, nipple and all (like they do for every GW release).

A small bit of fluff got posted here: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/08/codex-space-marine-rumor-roll-up.html

And despite the naysayers, I like GW's work and don't dislike any of their models, to include the Centurions

 Zweischneid wrote:

Imperial Deceit wrote:
Why couldn’t the centurions just be a rediscovered STC? Or maybe they only just barely finish manufacturing them. The Imperium doesn’t flat out ever create new technology; they do it extremely slowly. There are tons of research stations and experimental outposts, it just takes hundreds if not thousands of years for anything “new” to be properly tested, retested, approved, disapproved, reapproved, retested, scrapped, revitalized, then tested again. So there is no reason that a new piece of Space Marine war gear couldn’t have been in the works for five millennia.

Either way, it wouldn't really make a difference, given that the 40K timeline doesn't progress.

The 6th Edition Space Marines Codex is not "set" one minute later in the 40K-timeline than the 3rd Edition Space Marines Codex.

Whether the Centurions are explained as having been discovered 5 minutes ago, or 5 millennia ago, the question on why they are in the 6th Edition book, but not the 3rd to 5th Edition book, would remain the same.

As long as they don't change existing works, as Cruddace sadly did with the Hive War fluff to shoehorn his Swarmlord creation into the 40k-verse, I think it'll be fine.

Well the timeline actually does advance, with each edition. The 'Nids showed up, the Necrons awoke, the Cadian Gate has been captured, the 13th crusade launched, etc. It isn't a static universe.

The 6th Edition Space Marines Codex is not "set" one minute later in the 40K-timeline than the 3rd Edition Space Marines Codex.

iirc wasn't Lysander a Sergeant in power armour in the 3rd edition Codex? I had a brief look at it once.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:

Okay what I don't get is that supposedly a marine is inside of this thing right? I just see him being very comfortable....

Well, we need pics of the Centurions from the back. All rumour-mongors say the model is semi-open on the backside, and that you can actually see the Power-armoured Marine and the mechanics he uses to steer the larger suit. So (unlike Terminator Armour) it would have to pay some reference to the regular Power-Armour anatomy.

I've read that, and it sounds great, but I don't see how it will be very visible. There's clearly a dreadnought style power plant back there that should prevent us seeing any marine pilot...

I think its quite likely his feet are just below its knees and his arms are actually tucked in front of his chest under the suit's chestplate. Depending on what the back looks like that might work and explain the bulk of the suit in general.

Incidentally, I've realised why I like them: They are basically Atlas Battlemechs.

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 Mr.Omega wrote:

The 6th Edition Space Marines Codex is not "set" one minute later in the 40K-timeline than the 3rd Edition Space Marines Codex.

iirc wasn't Lysander a Sergeant in power armour in the 3rd edition Codex? I had a brief look at it once.

Yep, a thousand years ago he has a sergeant. Then he was a captain, and got lost in the warp for a millenium. Now he's back and this time... its personal...

 Mr.Omega wrote:

The 6th Edition Space Marines Codex is not "set" one minute later in the 40K-timeline than the 3rd Edition Space Marines Codex.

iirc wasn't Lysander a Sergeant in power armour in the 3rd edition Codex? I had a brief look at it once.

yeah. He was just a Sergeant in 3rd Edition. But in the new fluff, he was lost in the Warp for Ages, and Calgar, Tigurius, etc.. are still the same today as they were in 3rd Edition. I think it's just Lysander being retconned to have a better story, and not that 3rd Edition was really Warhammer 39K.

Imperial Deceit wrote:

Well the timeline actually does advance, with each edition. The 'Nids showed up, the Necrons awoke, the Cadian Gate has been captured, the 13th crusade launched, etc. It isn't a static universe.

No, everyone of those advances (half of which are instead additions to the prior timeline) happened in 3rd edition and have just been fleshed out retroactively in subsequent editions. Newer editions have "advanced" the timeline but at first months then weeks and days.

People need to stop hating.

The centurion looks pretty epic, when did realism comes before epicness.

Who cares how a marine fits in it. It looks cool and that's all I care.