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Davor wrote:
Are the FotM and WAAC players complaining crying already? At least wait till the codex comes out first guys.

I can't have Tirgrus and Vulkan together. WAAAAAAA

Hey wait a minute, why not play Chaos or other armies, and then you will see how have it you have.

I guess, it's true, SM players need the easy button. (Ok not all SM players but the way some people are going on, it sure seems like it.)

Actually the though of the Master of the Forge getting a Grav-Cannon would be cool just for the Cool Factor more than WAAC.
Yes there are those who will just put him on a Bike, but I would also love to see the expersion on that so called WAAC Player when ho looks across the board at the Ork/Grot Tee-Shirt Army.

Davor wrote:
Are the FotM and WAAC players complaining crying already? At least wait till the codex comes out first guys.

I can't have Tirgrus and Vulkan together. WAAAAAAA

Hey wait a minute, why not play Chaos or other armies, and then you will see how have it you have.

I guess, it's true, SM players need the easy button. (Ok not all SM players but the way some people are going on, it sure seems like it.)

I'm coming from playing Sisters. Even with the restrictions I'm excited about all the options I get.

I am just happy to hear that my favorite unit(sternguard) is getting a points decrease. and from the sounds of the rumors I will be able to run my all infantry army with some success.

But at the same time if I want to change up my list and choose a different theme I will be able to run mechanized or all varients in between.

 Anpu42 wrote:

Davor wrote:
Are the FotM and WAAC players complaining crying already? At least wait till the codex comes out first guys.

I can't have Tirgrus and Vulkan together. WAAAAAAA

Hey wait a minute, why not play Chaos or other armies, and then you will see how have it you have.

I guess, it's true, SM players need the easy button. (Ok not all SM players but the way some people are going on, it sure seems like it.)

Actually the though of the Master of the Forge getting a Grav-Cannon would be cool just for the Cool Factor more than WAAC.
Yes there are those who will just put him on a Bike, but I would also love to see the expersion on that so called WAAC Player when ho looks across the board at the Ork/Grot Tee-Shirt Army.

Considering what your UM tacticals would do to that list, its a trade I'll take. I'd really like to run 6 centurions and the MotF all Grav'd out. I don't think it's the best WAAC way to go, but it would look pretty sweet.

 Lobukia wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

Davor wrote:
Are the FotM and WAAC players complaining crying already? At least wait till the codex comes out first guys.

I can't have Tirgrus and Vulkan together. WAAAAAAA

Hey wait a minute, why not play Chaos or other armies, and then you will see how have it you have.

I guess, it's true, SM players need the easy button. (Ok not all SM players but the way some people are going on, it sure seems like it.)

Actually the though of the Master of the Forge getting a Grav-Cannon would be cool just for the Cool Factor more than WAAC.
Yes there are those who will just put him on a Bike, but I would also love to see the expersion on that so called WAAC Player when ho looks across the board at the Ork/Grot Tee-Shirt Army.

Considering what your UM tacticals would do to that list, its a trade I'll take. I'd really like to run 6 centurions and the MotF all Grav'd out. I don't think it's the best WAAC way to go, but it would look pretty sweet.

Ultra Tactical linking on regular centurians with grav cannons is nice(useless on other centurians) but I dont see too much benefit on a character who already has BS5. On the other hand, IWND, 6+ FNP and +1 to repairs will do an Iron Father well.

Shame it doesnt look like you can take grav cannons on them.

On a BS5 character you're twin-linking them for free, what's not to like?

Yeah, my Contemptor Mortis are pretty happy that they are getting free Twin-Linked, essentially.

Crazyterran wrote:
Yeah, my Contemptor Mortis are pretty happy that they are getting free Twin-Linked, essentially.

Do we know that for sure yet though?

Could be the case that the troops and vehicles in the book all have "chapter tactics" or something similar as a rule, and that FW units that don't have that won't benefit.

Of course this is pure speculation on my part.

Looks like 40k Radio is now undergoing radio silence for the night, but I am still collecting questions and I've got all the ones from today that were answered here:
http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/08/codex-space-marine-q-roll-up-21-august.html

Just in case anyone wants to see them all in one post.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
On a BS5 character you're twin-linking them for free, what's not to like?

o its great. but you can already reliably expect a fair number of hits, so getting more does really make you that much more effective or reliable. I think the Iron father we are talking about gains more from a different CT. The army might be better with the suido twinlinking but the model, I feel is better with IH ones.

My question is how did 40k Radio get a full copy of the book almost a month early? Is this common for them?

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
My question is how did 40k Radio get a full copy of the book almost a month early? Is this common for them?

I think this is GWS new marketing scheme.

Nosebiter wrote:
Jeez, talk about limiting what SC's you can take. So if i want Kantor i HAVE to use crimson fists? Not even imperial fists? And diy chapters get nada SC's?

Heaven forbid people do counts as armies?

I run my Red Hunters using Salamanders rules and Vulkan. Same rules, different paint scheme and more stylized models, but everything is still WYSIWYG.

And anyone who wants to throw a fit about me doing that can happily opt to not play against me.

Boo hoo if people can't min max the rules to allow them to run multiple SC's or mix and match SC's and Tactics as they want. Pick a team and roll with it. If anything, DIY chapters have the versatility of being ANY successor chapter if you write the fluff for it and convert up SC's for it.

/rant

On to the 40k Radio notes:
Why would they make tanks which are subpar at the moment more expensive?

And while I see the logic in it, restricting AA tanks to ONLY AA makes them a gamble if you come across someone who isn't running a flyer for some reason(rare in the current game it would seem, but a risk nonetheless).

I do find the Heavy weapons in 5 man units interesting, and could make for some fun combos.

The book needs to drop already so that I can write up a new list and finalize my models. This leak has put my entire army on hold until I find out what is worth keeping.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
My question is how did 40k Radio get a full copy of the book almost a month early? Is this common for them?

It's not common for anyone really. We can always blame Matt Ward for it though.

 Exergy wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
Here's hoping that IH get something more, like a named character since I do believe they are the only founding chapter not to get one. Maybe a dreadnaught HQ.

rumor is (many pages back from 40k radio) that IH wont get any characters

I just don't understand it, why give literally every other founding chapter a character except IH...I'd take even a name and have him be a generic chapter master just so GW could show they cared.

 Spartan089 wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
Here's hoping that IH get something more, like a named character since I do believe they are the only founding chapter not to get one. Maybe a dreadnaught HQ.

rumor is (many pages back from 40k radio) that IH wont get any characters

I just don't understand it, why give literally every other founding chapter a character except IH...I'd take even a name and have him be a generic chapter master just so GW could show they cared.

If that's all you want, then by all means, you have Davous' permission

 Exergy wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

Davor wrote:
Are the FotM and WAAC players complaining crying already? At least wait till the codex comes out first guys.

I can't have Tirgrus and Vulkan together. WAAAAAAA

Hey wait a minute, why not play Chaos or other armies, and then you will see how have it you have.

I guess, it's true, SM players need the easy button. (Ok not all SM players but the way some people are going on, it sure seems like it.)

Actually the though of the Master of the Forge getting a Grav-Cannon would be cool just for the Cool Factor more than WAAC.
Yes there are those who will just put him on a Bike, but I would also love to see the expersion on that so called WAAC Player when ho looks across the board at the Ork/Grot Tee-Shirt Army.

Considering what your UM tacticals would do to that list, its a trade I'll take. I'd really like to run 6 centurions and the MotF all Grav'd out. I don't think it's the best WAAC way to go, but it would look pretty sweet.

Ultra Tactical linking on regular centurians with grav cannons is nice(useless on other centurians) but I dont see too much benefit on a character who already has BS5. On the other hand, IWND, 6+ FNP and +1 to repairs will do an Iron Father well.

Shame it doesnt look like you can take grav cannons on them.

Forget a named character.... if you could take a MOTF with a grav-cannon and have him have IWND, 6+ FNP and +1 to repairs that'd be good enough in my book. Also wish IH somehow got access to the DA shield generator option.

 Spartan089 wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
Here's hoping that IH get something more, like a named character since I do believe they are the only founding chapter not to get one. Maybe a dreadnaught HQ.

rumor is (many pages back from 40k radio) that IH wont get any characters

I just don't understand it, why give literally every other founding chapter a character except IH...I'd take even a name and have him be a generic chapter master just so GW could show they cared.

They cared enough to give them chapter traits that was essentially old bionics and something to represent their advanced repair technology, and, if what they say is true, dedicated fluff bits in the Iron Hands 'section'.

A lot more than they got out of 4th or 5th's books. 4th Ed was literally nothing other than 2 traits in the old system, 5th was a short story in the fluff section.

My friend at the local GW gets his Iron Hands confused with Black Templar all the time. It makes me lol.

I think I am going to buy the Codex, Raven Guard Supplement, 2x Stern Guard, 1x or 2x Centurions and a Stalker. I might get the Vanguard, but I am not sure yet.

 Anpu42 wrote:
I think I am going to buy the Codex, Raven Guard Supplement, 2x Stern Guard, 1x or 2x Centurions and a Stalker. I might get the Vanguard, but I am not sure yet.

The Raven Guard supplement in what? a few months? a year?

 Aerethan wrote:

Nosebiter wrote:
Jeez, talk about limiting what SC's you can take. So if i want Kantor i HAVE to use crimson fists? Not even imperial fists? And diy chapters get nada SC's?

Heaven forbid people do counts as armies?

I run my Red Hunters using Salamanders rules and Vulkan. Same rules, different paint scheme and more stylized models, but everything is still WYSIWYG.

And anyone who wants to throw a fit about me doing that can happily opt to not play against me.

Boo hoo if people can't min max the rules to allow them to run multiple SC's or mix and match SC's and Tactics as they want. Pick a team and roll with it. If anything, DIY chapters have the versatility of being ANY successor chapter if you write the fluff for it and convert up SC's for it.

/rant

On to the 40k Radio notes:
Why would they make tanks which are subpar at the moment more expensive?

And while I see the logic in it, restricting AA tanks to ONLY AA makes them a gamble if you come across someone who isn't running a flyer for some reason(rare in the current game it would seem, but a risk nonetheless).

I do find the Heavy weapons in 5 man units interesting, and could make for some fun combos.

The book needs to drop already so that I can write up a new list and finalize my models. This leak has put my entire army on hold until I find out what is worth keeping.

I hope you enjoyed your ride on that high horse mate, because even the Proper Righteous and Pure way of playing that you favour is humped - SCs are limited to their chapter of origin only. No successors, no counts-as - you want an SC? Get painting, 'cause you'll need a new army.

Crazyterran wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
I think I am going to buy the Codex, Raven Guard Supplement, 2x Stern Guard, 1x or 2x Centurions and a Stalker. I might get the Vanguard, but I am not sure yet.

The Raven Guard supplement in what? a few months? a year?

When ever it comes out

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

Nosebiter wrote:
Jeez, talk about limiting what SC's you can take. So if i want Kantor i HAVE to use crimson fists? Not even imperial fists? And diy chapters get nada SC's?

Heaven forbid people do counts as armies?

I run my Red Hunters using Salamanders rules and Vulkan. Same rules, different paint scheme and more stylized models, but everything is still WYSIWYG.

And anyone who wants to throw a fit about me doing that can happily opt to not play against me.

Boo hoo if people can't min max the rules to allow them to run multiple SC's or mix and match SC's and Tactics as they want. Pick a team and roll with it. If anything, DIY chapters have the versatility of being ANY successor chapter if you write the fluff for it and convert up SC's for it.

/rant

On to the 40k Radio notes:
Why would they make tanks which are subpar at the moment more expensive?

And while I see the logic in it, restricting AA tanks to ONLY AA makes them a gamble if you come across someone who isn't running a flyer for some reason(rare in the current game it would seem, but a risk nonetheless).

I do find the Heavy weapons in 5 man units interesting, and could make for some fun combos.

The book needs to drop already so that I can write up a new list and finalize my models. This leak has put my entire army on hold until I find out what is worth keeping.

I hope you enjoyed your ride on that high horse mate, because even the Proper Righteous and Pure way of playing that you favour is humped - SCs are limited to their chapter of origin only. No successors, no counts-as - you want an SC? Get painting, 'cause you'll need a new army.

The nice thing about only playing with friends, is that stupid little things like "Because GW says so" don't carry any weight, especially when it comes to something that in no way affects game balance. Tourney players might have it rough, but the casuals will move on as we always have.

I don't see the issue: I say "it's salamanders, only red and with GK styled armor" and my opponent understands that Salamanders rules will be in play...

That some kind of hard limit with 40k players that I'm unaware of? WFB players are FAR more lenient when it comes to Rule of Cool.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

Nosebiter wrote:
Jeez, talk about limiting what SC's you can take. So if i want Kantor i HAVE to use crimson fists? Not even imperial fists? And diy chapters get nada SC's?

Heaven forbid people do counts as armies?

I run my Red Hunters using Salamanders rules and Vulkan. Same rules, different paint scheme and more stylized models, but everything is still WYSIWYG.

And anyone who wants to throw a fit about me doing that can happily opt to not play against me.

Boo hoo if people can't min max the rules to allow them to run multiple SC's or mix and match SC's and Tactics as they want. Pick a team and roll with it. If anything, DIY chapters have the versatility of being ANY successor chapter if you write the fluff for it and convert up SC's for it.

/rant

On to the 40k Radio notes:
Why would they make tanks which are subpar at the moment more expensive?

And while I see the logic in it, restricting AA tanks to ONLY AA makes them a gamble if you come across someone who isn't running a flyer for some reason(rare in the current game it would seem, but a risk nonetheless).

I do find the Heavy weapons in 5 man units interesting, and could make for some fun combos.

The book needs to drop already so that I can write up a new list and finalize my models. This leak has put my entire army on hold until I find out what is worth keeping.

I hope you enjoyed your ride on that high horse mate, because even the Proper Righteous and Pure way of playing that you favour is humped - SCs are limited to their chapter of origin only. No successors, no counts-as - you want an SC? Get painting, 'cause you'll need a new army.

The nice thing about only playing with friends, is that stupid little things like "Because GW says so" don't carry any weight, especially when it comes to something that in no way affects game balance. Tourney players might have it rough, but the casuals will move on as we always have.

I don't see the issue: I say "it's salamanders, only red and with GK styled armor" and my opponent understands that Salamanders rules will be in play...

That some kind of hard limit with 40k players that I'm unaware of? WFB players are FAR more lenient when it comes to Rule of Cool.

Apart from the one you arbitrarily imposed in your wee rant I was responding to? Not really.

I also think the "successor chapter can't take SCs" rule is more for the BT and CF.

Because the rule might say "rainbow eagles can't take UM SCs", but that doesn't prevent your Counts-as UM from having UM characters.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

Nosebiter wrote:
Jeez, talk about limiting what SC's you can take. So if i want Kantor i HAVE to use crimson fists? Not even imperial fists? And diy chapters get nada SC's?

Heaven forbid people do counts as armies?

I run my Red Hunters using Salamanders rules and Vulkan. Same rules, different paint scheme and more stylized models, but everything is still WYSIWYG.

And anyone who wants to throw a fit about me doing that can happily opt to not play against me.

Boo hoo if people can't min max the rules to allow them to run multiple SC's or mix and match SC's and Tactics as they want. Pick a team and roll with it. If anything, DIY chapters have the versatility of being ANY successor chapter if you write the fluff for it and convert up SC's for it.

/rant

On to the 40k Radio notes:
Why would they make tanks which are subpar at the moment more expensive?

And while I see the logic in it, restricting AA tanks to ONLY AA makes them a gamble if you come across someone who isn't running a flyer for some reason(rare in the current game it would seem, but a risk nonetheless).

I do find the Heavy weapons in 5 man units interesting, and could make for some fun combos.

The book needs to drop already so that I can write up a new list and finalize my models. This leak has put my entire army on hold until I find out what is worth keeping.

I hope you enjoyed your ride on that high horse mate, because even the Proper Righteous and Pure way of playing that you favour is humped - SCs are limited to their chapter of origin only. No successors, no counts-as - you want an SC? Get painting, 'cause you'll need a new army.

That's interesting to hear. So now you are telling me how to paint my models?

I didn't think so.

Even if there were such a rule I would gladly ignore it - also players which insist on such a rule "period"

Any ideas on when it will show up on GW's pre-order page? I mean is its out in September shouldn't it be avialable to pre-order?

I know, just getting anxious.

 Kelly502 wrote:
Any ideas on when it will show up on GW's pre-order page? I mean is its out in September shouldn't it be avialable to pre-order?

I know, just getting anxious.

Pre-orders go live the same day as the WD: Last Saturday of the month.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
Any ideas on when it will show up on GW's pre-order page? I mean is its out in September shouldn't it be avialable to pre-order?

I know, just getting anxious.

Pre-orders go live the same day as the WD: Last Saturday of the month.

Thank you Sir! My anxiety is subsided, and perhaps I will stop checking the GW web-site everyday for 40K pre-orders.