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 Monster Rain wrote:

 lucasbuffalo wrote:

Nice! Do you have somewhere that you post battle reps, like here on Dakka? I'd like to check em out sometime. I definitely agree that battle reps are more enjoyable painted.

I just realized as I reviewed these that I really, really miss playing 40k all of a sudden! These are kind of old, they span the transition of the old 'cron codex to the new for example, since I haven't had a lot of time to play lately:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/recentTopics/showTopicsByUser/0/23223/17.page

Wow!! I didn't put 2 and 2 together, but I've read your bat. reps before! They're great stuff. Really enjoy them.

So I guess this thread is done btw. In the end we all realized we like different things, realized we have to find places where we can do our different things, but in the end we all love plastic crack.

 loki old fart wrote:
Restaurant I was once asked to leave because the guy thought I wouldn't be able to afford the prices. (leather motorcycle jacket tassels, badges, jeans etc)
So I put all my cards on the table. No problem

I was asked to leave a restaurant once, it was because I didn't meet the dress code. I was wearing jean shorts (yes laugh it up, I was wearing jorts 10 years ago ). It didn't make a difference if I could afford to pay, it would just disrupt and detract from the rest of the patrons experience. I would still go back to the restaurant too but its not every day I want to drop $200-250 on dinner for 2. I decided to go with my wife (then new fiance) and swung by on our way home from the beach. When I walked in they promptly escorted me out and told me the dress code rules.

 notprop wrote:
I'm similar - take a look at the Necromunda stuff in my Sig.

Curiously having just taken up X-Wing in the last fortnight I felt weirdly uncomfortable about using pre-paints for the first time. A good game so i'll get over it.

I used to feel the same about buying painted models and painting services. But I realised I would never manage to paint all my figures myself. Why beat yourself up?

 lucasbuffalo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you have so many unpainted units that a rule which by its wording applies to single units that this becomes "unfair", I'd suggest you stop pretending that it is the shop at fault.

I like the word "fault" and how well it is used to show that your opinion of fun is better than mine, rather than just being different.

Again, army of unpainted minis. The rule makes the game unfair. You can chock up "fault" or blame anywhere you'd like, it doesn't change the fact that the rule gives an advantage to one person over another based on the color of their models, which is all I said and stated that I wouldn't play there. But again, the point is: Painted vs Unpainted = an unfair game at this store. You can not deny that fact.

1/3 of the main rulebook is dedicated to painted minis. Asking to paint your minis for a minor buff is like asking an extra glass of water in a restaurant.

 illuknisaa wrote:

 lucasbuffalo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you have so many unpainted units that a rule which by its wording applies to single units that this becomes "unfair", I'd suggest you stop pretending that it is the shop at fault.

I like the word "fault" and how well it is used to show that your opinion of fun is better than mine, rather than just being different.

Again, army of unpainted minis. The rule makes the game unfair. You can chock up "fault" or blame anywhere you'd like, it doesn't change the fact that the rule gives an advantage to one person over another based on the color of their models, which is all I said and stated that I wouldn't play there. But again, the point is: Painted vs Unpainted = an unfair game at this store. You can not deny that fact.

1/3 of the main rulebook is dedicated to painted minis. Asking to paint your minis for a minor buff is like asking an extra glass of water in a restaurant.

We've closed the debate. I think everyone's satisfied with letting it die now.

 lucasbuffalo wrote:
Wow!! I didn't put 2 and 2 together, but I've read your bat. reps before! They're great stuff. Really enjoy them..

Hey thanks man! They take a fair amount of time to write out long-form like that, so the positive feedback is nice.

 lucasbuffalo wrote:
So I guess this thread is done btw. In the end we all realized we like different things, realized we have to find places where we can do our different things, but in the end we all love plastic crack.

Yeah, I think this is pretty much the abridged version of the debate for the sane people. The extremists will always be mad, but there's nothing to be done about that.

 lucasbuffalo wrote:
We've closed the debate. I think everyone's satisfied with letting it die now.

WRONG, I AM NOT SATISFED

At least we settled that this is not an attempt by the store to force you to buy more paints.

 d-usa wrote:
At least we settled that this is not an attempt by the store to force you to buy more paints.

Disagree.

 d-usa wrote:
At least we settled that this is not an attempt by the store to force you to buy more paints.

I too disagree.

But that's only because I refuse to agree with anyone who uses the term "YOLO".

 notprop wrote:
I'm similar - take a look at the Necromunda stuff in my Sig.

Curiously having just taken up X-Wing in the last fortnight I felt weirdly uncomfortable about using pre-paints for the first time. A good game so i'll get over it.

I love to paint my minis, but I got over my aversion with preapaints via Mechwarrior clix figures. Not for the mechwarrior game itself, but I wanted to try small scale gaming so rebasing units that were already painted saved me a ton of painting time.

 Mastiff wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
At least we settled that this is not an attempt by the store to force you to buy more paints.

I too disagree.

But that's only because I refuse to agree with anyone who uses the term "YOLO".

You're just totes jelly that your #SWAG can't handle his #YOLO #SWAG up in your grillz...

Also wait until September, he'll change it.

 Alfndrate wrote:

You're just totes jelly that your #SWAG can't handle his #YOLO #SWAG up in your grillz...

Also wait until September, he'll change it.

I think I just pulled something while surpressing the urge to facepalm so hard that it would change the features of my face

+1 internets to you Alf

What happens in September? Self-awareness?

Super Newb wrote:
What happens in September? Self-awareness?

D-usa changes his avatar and title about once a month.

Did the poor guy miss July's Summer of Mat Ward love?

 d-usa wrote:
Did the poor guy miss July's Summer of Mat Ward love?

Indeed

I can dig the rule. I got into the hobby because of the models and painting/putting together models. The fact that I started the actual game later and periodically play it was incidental. I have played at GW as well as in FLGS and in friend's houses, and few things are as enjoyable as a fully terrained, fully painted set of armies going head to head (or whatever alien organ serves as a head, 40K wise). For the purposes of advertising, it lets the parents (and the other people with money) to see what "could" be, and gives a "hobby that incidentally is a game" nod that would otherwise be "my eleven year old can play expensive toy soldiers with a twenty-five year old basement dweller with scant regard for physical hygiene."

At a 'Ardboyz I attended, they gave an extra "point" towards players who's armies were at least 3 color painted, and rightly so. The guy who won the thing overall had a non-painted army of ork nob bikers and Kanz. While he may have won, the FLGS that hosted the event at least gave some points to players who went through the trouble of painting and basing an army.

The hatred rule is funny, as I think my painted models would look down upon the plastic colored 'tardmen of the opposition, I would be more inclined to give the army that is fully painted anywhere from 1-3 rerolls to use on any particular dice roll in the game, more than a flat "hatred" rule.