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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 16:09:48
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Infiltrating Prowler
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Well I backed out of my King level pledge. Decided to listen to that little voice in my head
As much as I wanted to support the project, just can't justify more boxes going into the pile.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 16:31:50
Subject: Re:CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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For someone who did not see the issues with the Sedition Wars KS can someone please explain why so many seem to have been let down/angered/annoyed by its quality? I am pretty happy with my $100
pledge but the doubts of posters on here is making me a bit jittery.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 16:56:09
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Using Object Source Lighting
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The initial rules were shaky at best (not sure if they didn't have time to finish or expected it to be received as a lighter-weight game so the old GW "common sense/what you think should happen/roll for it" mentality was good enough).
There was poor QC on board components.
The miniatures were presented as their resin masters, while the plastic ultimately used (very similar to PP's and from what I've heard Mantic's) didn't hold the crispness SMV (studio mcvey) is known for and how the minis were presented (though did a pretty good job with retaining detail), and had fairly difficult mold lines.
From what I've heard, the new wave of plastic minis has suffered from shrinkage.
The KS has had pretty poor post-campaign communication (noting that CMoN not SMV has control over KS announcements).
The KS was very late, even by KS standards.
Personally, I feel like the rules were an issue with SMV, but that the rest were CMoN's problem, which is what's worth noting since they're working on this one.
I like the game quite a bit, but it still has soured me to CMoN (and probably would have to SMV too, if I hadn't paid closer attention).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:01:14
Subject: Re:CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Update!
More characters!
Update #49 · Sep 13, 2013 · comment
We're kind of into new release territory here, but what the heck.... time for a real stretch
Shael-Han – Hong Yao, the Red Demon
Hong Yao may have been the very first of the Children, though his transformative blessing did not come from the War Goddess. In his darkest hour, Hong Yao prayed to the Fire Lord, and was answered. His former identity was stripped away, and he became the Red Demon. He alone survived the doomed mission to Telloria, and he alone faced the scorn and dishonor at his failure and transformation. More than a decade has passed, however, and Hong Yao has once more found his place in the Dragon Legion. The indoctrination of the Children into the regular armed forces has salved his wounded pride somewhat, but he is still a different creature when compared to the Children. Where their powers are decidedly supernal, his are irrefutably infernal. In battle, he fights alone. His fiery breath can devastate a line, and his direct, brutal style makes short work of larger foes.
Nasier – Shadrus Arikim the Beast of Oraam
Among the Arkazan Longhorns, Shadrus Arikim is a legend. Despite a rocky beginning in the Ashman Legion, he has survived many wars and risen high in the ranks. He alone stood against the Hadrossian incursion at Dead Crow Strait, and he brought low the Terror of Sallum Forest. Thus, when he proposed alterations to the Longhorn war masks to the priests of Arkazan Temple, his studies and observations were taken quite seriously. Now he wears the fruit of the long labors at Arkazan. As a new breed of Longhorn, Shadrus represents a paragon of inhuman potential, and many eyes now follow his exploits, taking note of any anomalies. In practical terms, Shadrus still possesses the Longhorn strength and endurance, now augmented by an array of incendiary powers. He can ignite his warhammer to add fiery might to his swings, and even hurl great fireballs at modest distances to soften enemy troops before charging. If further trials in the coming conflict prove continually successful, the other national militaries may have to contend with an entirely new threat from Kartoresh.
Teknes – The Mighty Taur
Not all experiments in rapidly grown troops involved sentient species. Bovines, for instance, are docile, strong, and produce a new generation yearly. Unfortunately, the spirit-implantation survival rate is roughly one in a thousand, and of those, very few gain the rudimentary intelligence necessary to be useful, biddable troops. The project has since been scrapped, and Taur remains their one and only sterling example. Physically impressive, and intellectually gifted (even by human standards), Taur cuts a memorable figure in any campaign. While he doesn’t command troops in the field, he is often closeted with upper echelons for strategy sessions, and prefers cunning traps and ambushes designed to maximize enemy losses at minimal risk to Felskar forces. Taur’s custom steam armor was a gift from House Teknes after a prodigious guerilla action against Achrion when he, unfortunately, lost his horns.
Goritsi - Duchess Monica von Loukris, The Dragonslayer
When the Dragon Legions of Shael Han invaded Telloria in the brief civil war following Ancient King Arikan’s passing, Monica had only just inherited the unprepared duchy of Loukris. Alas, Loukris fell in a month. Since that time many centuries ago, the ousted Duchess has kept her crusade alive. She has attempted diplomacy, assassination, revolution, and outright warfare, yet still the Dragons hold on. Now she gives new meaning to the phrase ‘reign of terror’ as she and her devoted retainers systematically assault Achrionian interests in the city and countryside. As for Loukris itself, it has become more Achrionian than Tellorian, but the night is once more a fearful time. In battle the Duchess excels at engaging entire battle lines and emerging fully healed. Her unique harness, of cunning Felskar design, ensures that no enemy can escape the Dragonslayer’s bite.
Ephramaki, the Deepcaller Lord
A scholar turned warrior, Ephramaki of Druzeille was already a powerful magician before his conversion to the Neridan faith and subsequent transformation. Given a preference, he’d return to his university and spend his days studying the vast abundance of flora and fauna of the wilderdepths. His work on the Calith Reaver project and other similar endeavors has earned him honors from Scion Hadross himself. But the Deep Voices have other plans for Ephramaki, and he is called to war along with all the rest. In addition to the usual powers granted by Deep Callers, Ephramaki still utilizes his training in mortal magery, and can draw upon a variety of abilities. Most notably, and least surprisingly, his gift for hydromancy has surpassed those of any mortal across Arikania.
If we hit our next stretch goal, these models will be pushed to Kickstarter backers ahead of their scheduled retail release...
The Rank 2 character shown above will be added free to the corresponding Faction Starter! This will be a Kickstarter only bonus, although these models will be available at retail later.
If we don't hit this stretch we'll include them as optional purchases in the pledge manager, most likely combined with a set of some kind.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:06:34
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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Love them. And it'll round out the Ancient King at 215 models for $200 once it gets hit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:07:27
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Fixture of Dakka
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Wow... actually not feeling the concept art on the Gortisi chick at all. Big miss for me :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:17:03
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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silent25 wrote:Well I backed out of my King level pledge. Decided to listen to that little voice in my head
As much as I wanted to support the project, just can't justify more boxes going into the pile.
I'm only in for a buck. I don't really care for the figures but would like to get the twilight knight and some bases. Not a single tug at my OCD on this one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:20:10
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Dankhold Troggoth
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I really like "Teknes – The Mighty Taur". I like quite a few of the other Teknes models with a similar look... I just wish their basic troopers had that same techy aesthetic. But instead, they're just pigs :-/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:22:39
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Wehrkind wrote:Wow... actually not feeling the concept art on the Gortisi chick at all. Big miss for me :(
Sadly, I agree. The others all look aces though, esepcially the Nasier and Teknes dudes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:22:42
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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I feel like the Vampires from the Goritsi are the worst models in the entire range at the moment for me. I'm hoping they make the character look good.
That said the rest of the stuff is getting better and better. My only complaint is that there is a couple of models per faction that I'm just not a fan of like:
-Hammer of Heaven
-Pelegrath Howler
-Zaalack
-Blood Dancers
-Scourge Hound
-C.A.G.E.
-Iron Lotus Leader & I'm iffy on the Iron Lotus's
So it's just a few models from each range. And only two actual units I dislike (maybe one) which is good. Pity the one I definitely dislike is one that I can't not purchase
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:35:42
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Breotan wrote: silent25 wrote:Well I backed out of my King level pledge. Decided to listen to that little voice in my head
As much as I wanted to support the project, just can't justify more boxes going into the pile.
I'm only in for a buck. I don't really care for the figures but would like to get the twilight knight and some bases. Not a single tug at my OCD on this one.
Can you get the Twilight Knight if you're not in for at least one faction?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:37:36
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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I thought I saw it listed somewhere for $10. If not then I'm only out a buck so not a big deal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:47:19
Subject: Re:CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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I like how the Nasier are getting wilder and more bestial as this Kickstarter progresses. Their figures are all over the place- skinny normal people, chunky naked ladies, horned beastmen, flying armored gorillas, howling armored beastmen with hammers...
It's a shame we haven't seen more Teknes stuff in line with that minotaur. It looks a lot more technologically advanced then the troops they've got currently on offer. I understand it's a specialist. I'd like to see more advanced looking tech for them like that in the future.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:47:35
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Infiltrating Prowler
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Breotan wrote:I thought I saw it listed somewhere for $10. If not then I'm only out a buck so not a big deal.
You need to have a pledged or purchased a starter to get any of the exclusive figs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:50:07
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No Sadly
To get the twilight knight you need to buy a faction or $50 worth of stuff (could just be bases though) via the a la carte pledge
so you'd need to spend $60 to have her
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 18:58:24
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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spiralingcadaver wrote:The initial rules were shaky at best (not sure if they didn't have time to finish or expected it to be received as a lighter-weight game so the old GW "common sense/what you think should happen/roll for it" mentality was good enough).
There was poor QC on board components.
The miniatures were presented as their resin masters, while the plastic ultimately used (very similar to PP's and from what I've heard Mantic's) didn't hold the crispness SMV (studio mcvey) is known for and how the minis were presented (though did a pretty good job with retaining detail), and had fairly difficult mold lines.
From what I've heard, the new wave of plastic minis has suffered from shrinkage.
The KS has had pretty poor post-campaign communication (noting that CMoN not SMV has control over KS announcements).
The KS was very late, even by KS standards .
Cheers Mr Cadaver. This is not a project that I have any pressing need for, but do want in on. I am not put off by the resin plastic stuff (I have a lot of Mantic minis in said medium), it is not ideal but I am getting better at dealing with it. I think I will pledge, forget about it and hope to see some results before 2014 ends.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 20:15:07
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Thermo-Optical Tuareg
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You know, I don't really get all of the complaints about the Sedition Wars figures. I messed around with my brothers' figures and even painted a test piece for him. I didn't have that much difficulty with the mold lines or anything. Off topic, I know.
On topic, That Goritsi vampire character looks like WilyKit. Hopefully the final miniature will have a better pose than that. i do kind of hope we reach that goal though. I'm always down for more free figures. How many named characters will be included in starters now?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 20:18:40
Subject: Re:CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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The green of Ephramaki The Deepcaller Lord cements my pledge, so much better than the concept art as well
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 20:35:25
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Using Object Source Lighting
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Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Cheers Mr Cadaver. This is not a project that I have any pressing need for, but do want in on. I am not put off by the resin plastic stuff (I have a lot of Mantic minis in said medium), it is not ideal but I am getting better at dealing with it. I think I will pledge, forget about it and hope to see some results before 2014 ends.
Sure, glad I could help. I agree that that weird plastic is workable, but I'll always need to think twice when I see that that's what a company is working in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 20:44:05
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Dankhold Troggoth
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Wow, that deepcaller lord is really nice!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 21:50:02
Subject: Re:CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Deadly Dark Eldar Warrior
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It seems a lot of people who aren't backing have thrown in many negative opinions. While I do understand it's the internet and you can say whatever the hell you want, I was under the impression this thread was for discussing a common interest. That interest being Wrath of Kings.
Myself and 4 others have pooled together for a $550 pledge. Models look good, rules need fleshing out, and hopefully the finished print rulebook will have more work put into it, but otherwise I'm pretty pleased with what we're being promised for the money.
I went for Nasier, although they were my second pick next to Hydross. I have a feeling they're going to play a lot like Warmachine's Legion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/14 01:09:23
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Wraith
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So, this being a CMoN Kickstarter,
would they allow you to initially pledge $1 and
bump up to a King or Ancient King when the pledge manager comes out?
Bit strapped to pledge the hundred plus before Sunday and the finish
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/14 01:14:04
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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Already asked that and they said yes Skrulnik.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/14 01:26:34
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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spiralingcadaver wrote:The initial rules were shaky at best (not sure if they didn't have time to finish or expected it to be received as a lighter-weight game so the old GW "common sense/what you think should happen/roll for it" mentality was good enough).
There was poor QC on board components.
The miniatures were presented as their resin masters, while the plastic ultimately used (very similar to PP's and from what I've heard Mantic's) didn't hold the crispness SMV (studio mcvey) is known for and how the minis were presented (though did a pretty good job with retaining detail), and had fairly difficult mold lines.
From what I've heard, the new wave of plastic minis has suffered from shrinkage.
The KS has had pretty poor post-campaign communication (noting that CMoN not SMV has control over KS announcements).
The KS was very late, even by KS standards.
Personally, I feel like the rules were an issue with SMV, but that the rest were CMoN's problem, which is what's worth noting since they're working on this one.
I like the game quite a bit, but it still has soured me to CMoN (and probably would have to SMV too, if I hadn't paid closer attention).
To add to those points:
No argument on the board components
The miniatures were advertised as top of the line models. People weren't as used to restic (including McVey, it seems) so most people expected better, based on things like GW plastics. Horrid mould lines, as noted.
CMON has control over KS announcements, but McVey has their own forums where they remained incredibly quiet, with a number of excuses. Essentially implied pass-the-buck between the two on blame for comms. I consider it a shared fault/responsibility.
No argument on lateness.
The BoardGameGeek crowd were vocal over wanting to see the rules during the KS. McVey were adamant that their rules would be just fine. Poor fools like myself rallied to McVey's defence, only to find in the end that we were wrong in our misplaced faith.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/14 02:28:23
Subject: Re:CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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Yeah, you gotta have rules up front with the Board Game Geek crowd.
Glad we got a chance to see Wrath of Kings' rules ahead of time.
With King Triton and another demonic hammer wielder for the Nasier, I think I'm pretty much locked in with Nasier and Hadross. Even the big ladies are starting to grow on me.
I sadly can't wait for the Ancient King backers who inevitably dump a bunch of Teknes/ Pelgarth stuff on ebay for me to pick up (hopefully) on the cheap.
I keep recalling a Savage Dragon comic from when I was a teen where the Dragon fought a fat lady with evil demon fetuses flying out from her nether regions. They tried to strangle him with their umbilical cords. A few Pelgarths and some Teknes baby types would make some wonderfully disgusting figures similar to that comic and would be done in absolutely poor taste.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/14 07:49:16
Subject: Re:CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Falhurk wrote:It seems a lot of people who aren't backing have thrown in many negative opinions. While I do understand it's the internet and you can say whatever the hell you want, I was under the impression this thread was for discussing a common interest. That interest being Wrath of Kings.
Some of us are very much on the fence. Speaking for myself, if I had no interest, I wouldn't be bothering with this thread at all.
For people who like the aesthetics across the range, the $200 pledge is undoubtedly an amazing deal. That's not in question. For those of us (like myself) who like "bits and pieces" of the range but not all of even a single faction, it's less clear cut, particularly the way these things always add up...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/14 09:24:51
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Hulksmash wrote:I feel like the Vampires from the Goritsi are the worst models in the entire range at the moment for me. I'm hoping they make the character look good.
That said the rest of the stuff is getting better and better. My only complaint is that there is a couple of models per faction that I'm just not a fan of like:
-Hammer of Heaven
-Pelegrath Howler
-Zaalack
-Blood Dancers
-Scourge Hound
-C.A.G.E.
-Iron Lotus Leader & I'm iffy on the Iron Lotus's
So it's just a few models from each range. And only two actual units I dislike (maybe one) which is good. Pity the one I definitely dislike is one that I can't not purchase 
Loving the Vampire girls myself - except the Dance Master - not liking all the new winged guys
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/14 10:38:01
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sadly I'm dropping my pledge. I love the overall miniature aesthetic, however I can get a similar feel from Zenit, Corvus Belli, Studio 38 and Relic Knights. Which I have lots of, or lots of coming.
I also had a chance to check out the material used for the figures, which apparently is similar to, or the same as the material Privateer Press use for their plastics. I didn't enjoy working with it too much, and Relic Knights is reportedly more of the same. I don't want to tear out all my hair.
That and I feel like I'm just giving CMoN my paychecks, though not as much as some do.  However I've got Kingdom Death, Robotech and Relic Knights on the way and like many I'm eagerly waiting for the Confrontation relaunch. I'm also going to go nuts for Darklands as well, as although I feel the aesthetic isn't as tight, it's not a style I have painted much if at all.
When the game comes out I can definitely see me getting some of every faction apart from possibly Goritsi.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/14 16:02:13
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Wraith
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Thanks!
I thought it had been covered, but I didn't see it on the KS page, and this thread is huge.
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Bam, said the lady!
DR:70S+GM++B+I+Pw40k09/f++D++A(WTF)/hWD153R+++T(S)DM++++
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To crush other websites,
See their user posts driven before you,
And hear the lamentation of the newbs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/14 17:29:08
Subject: CMON Wrath of Kings Kickstarter! 500K Stretch: Extra character for starter sets
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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So.... I know a lot of you are waiting for confrontation. I am too. But if I have to be honest with you, based on some of the things I've been told, this KS, even through fulfillment, isn't likely to get in the way of that in terms of timeline.
Basically, what I'm saying, is that I don't think Confrontation Pheonix is very close.....
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