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I wasn't saying that the Sisters belong with either Inquisition or Imperial Guard, but more along the lines of that's where they'd fit best if no separate codex was accorded to them and once the Black Templars were rolled into the Marine codex, it has certainly become possible that other armies might see similar adjustments where they have a high degree of overlap.

Interestingly enough, if what I've heard is true of the newest core Marine Codex, it is really being set up to be a codex to allow you to play 7 or 8 different armies depending on which Chapter you select, rather than just the same army with different paint jobs and different special characters. I think that it would be plausible for SOB and GK to wind up in a Codex that allows for the play of GK, SOB and various orders of the Inquisition individually or as a combined force. Then from there codex supplements will flesh out the specific sub groups with special unit configurations, unique wargear and similar.

I know most Sisters players won't like the idea, but as GW hasn't put out a proper codex for sisters since Third edition and there are now no 4th edition codexes and we are approaching the halfway point on updating 5th edition codexes, doubts about GW's intention to produce a stand-alone SOB codex are logical. To be honest, a joint codex along with plastic models and a supplement would be the biggest news for SOB since 3rd Edition.

Jefffar wrote:
I wasn't saying that the Sisters belong with either Inquisition or Imperial Guard, but more along the lines of that's where they'd fit best if no separate codex was accorded to them and once the Black Templars were rolled into the Marine codex, it has certainly become possible that other armies might see similar adjustments where they have a high degree of overlap.

That's the key, Sisters don't overlap with anyone. Their a short range shooting army with T3 in Power Armor. Unless you like spending a lot of points on Inquisitorial Henchmen, there isn't another army that matches what Sisters are 100%. There are elements of how Sisters play featured in other armies, but in whole, they are unique.

On the other hand Templars are Marines. There are a lot of Marines in the game. So it's not really the same concern. GW is more likely to drop Sisters than roll them I'd bet.

Jefffar wrote:
Interestingly enough, if what I've heard is true of the newest core Marine Codex, it is really being set up to be a codex to allow you to play 7 or 8 different armies depending on which Chapter you select, rather than just the same army with different paint jobs and different special characters. I think that it would be plausible for SOB and GK to wind up in a Codex that allows for the play of GK, SOB and various orders of the Inquisition individually or as a combined force. Then from there codex supplements will flesh out the specific sub groups with special unit configurations, unique wargear and similar.

I'm hoping for Sisters to have rules for the major militant orders so their personalities appear on the table more.

And frankly, Sisters don't belong in the same codex as Grey Knights. And it's not for the reason you're probably thinking of. It's actually because the two forces have no common ground or theme. Even if Sisters became Ordos Hereticus again they still don't have common ground with an army that fights Daemons.

Jefffar wrote:
I know most Sisters players won't like the idea, but as GW hasn't put out a proper codex for sisters since Third edition and there are now no 4th edition codexes and we are approaching the halfway point on updating 5th edition codexes, doubts about GW's intention to produce a stand-alone SOB codex are logical. To be honest, a joint codex along with plastic models and a supplement would be the biggest news for SOB since 3rd Edition.

Orks are a 4th Edition codex.

Sisters biggest problem in the past has been models and once that hurdle is past then we're just waiting for GW to put rules to the new stuff and update the old units. I'm eagerly awaiting their release, but I won't hold my breath just in case.

I'm all about the plastic sisters. I know the metal sisters are cool, but I'd rather make my own choices.
Also, please no GK. They don't belong together. The Eclisiarchy is not GK, its the second biggest organization in the Imperium. (I count the Mechanicum separately.) In a way, the religious aspect of the Empire defines it and this is the army that represents that. It can and should have a big part to play.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I'm all about the plastic sisters. I know the metal sisters are cool, but I'd rather make my own choices.
Also, please no GK. They don't belong together. The Eclisiarchy is not GK, its the second biggest organization in the Imperium. (I count the Mechanicum separately.) In a way, the religious aspect of the Empire defines it and this is the army that represents that. It can and should have a big part to play.

I like to equate the Imperium armies into three themes:

Space Marines represent Humanity's strength. They're the Imperium's unstoppable force.
Imperial Guard represent the vastness of Humanity. They are the Imperium's unmovable object.
The Sisters of Battle represent Humanity's hope. They are the soul that drives the Imperium on through the darkness.

Honestly I feel that if Sisters don't stay as an actual army we lose that facet of Humanity and the game would be poorer for it.

And as for the Ecclesiarchy, they may not be the most powerful individual force in the Imperium, they are definitely the richest.

 Lynata wrote:
But they still sell Valhallans, Steel Legion and Mordians in large boxes, at a price of £2.05 per miniature ...

Which is kind of funny, considering that plastic Cadians are just 20 pence per mini cheaper.

Holy gak! I thought the metal SL was gone for good... when did they reappear in the regular IG section, or did they go there immediately upon vanishing from the Collector's section? Don't recall them coming up in search results as recently as a month ago. I guess this means I need to get my some SL soon, and while at it a few SoBs, too.

 Lynata wrote:
Grenade Sister ftw!

labmouse42 wrote:Do they not sell 10 man squads over there?

They do - but that's just GW manipulating the prices. I chose the Combat Squad because it was the closest to the 3 Sisters pack.

GW used to sell the 10 Battle Sisters in a single box, and they could easily do so again right now. They just don't want to because they make more money with the smaller packs (as evidenced by the price difference between the Marines).

What I don't understand is why they are willing to sell 10 models in a pack for cheap, then sell 5 in a pack for nearly as much. In some cases they won't even sell the 10 man packs.

Its not even the 'powerful models' they are selling only in 5 man packs. Its like they roll a dice and see what they will sell units for.

 labmouse42 wrote:
Its not even the 'powerful models' they are selling only in 5 man packs. Its like they roll a dice and see what they will sell units for.

That has been pretty much my conclusion in some situations

labmouse42 wrote:What I don't understand is why they are willing to sell 10 models in a pack for cheap, then sell 5 in a pack for nearly as much. In some cases they won't even sell the 10 man packs.

Well, selling the small sets for a higher per-mini price I can understand. It's basically a form of "bulk discount" telling the buyer they should go for the large box and save money. Maybe they only offer the 5 packs to pull off this psychological trick, or maybe they are meant for the few gamers who really only want 1-5 Marines (bits, replacements, conversion projects, etc), not 10, as they still save a few coins.

GW having stopped selling 10 Sister boxes is what I'd really like to know the actual reason for. I mean, if they're not trying to pull a fast one and earn more cash by simply denying the larger, cheaper packs to potential buyers, one could almost attribute malicious intent. Or rather, perhaps not malicious, but a business decision intent on sabotaging the army's potential growth by making it even harder to collect them - without officially pulling them.
But that sounds too crazy to be true. Right?

This brings me back to my earlier comment about one half of GW not knowing what the other half does, resulting in this weird "bait and switch" where they first push the army into its own section on the website, release new rules and several new articles across half a dozen WD releases - but simultaneously make the army even harder to collect and refuse to put the new rules up as a PDF, knowing full well that you can't buy them in a store anymore.

I don't want to brag, but I'm going to.

At a consignment sale last wekend I picked up the following:
Immolator 3x
Exorcist 1x
Penitent Engine 1x
Acro Flagellant 6x
Repentia 9x
Mistress 1x
Celestine 1x

$40.

Daannnnnng. Nice!

Nice find, but what condition?

If it's new, then great find.
If it's 'pro-painted' with sludge, then good luck stripping/cleaning!

 deviantduck wrote:
I don't want to brag, but I'm going to.

At a consignment sale last wekend I picked up the following:
Immolator 3x
Exorcist 1x
Penitent Engine 1x
Acro Flagellant 6x
Repentia 9x
Mistress 1x
Celestine 1x

$40.

Wow! That is a good deal. I'll give you $41 for you to ship them to me!

It's 6 year old with a can of old, thick, black, spray paint quality. The penitent engine was brand new though.

 deviantduck wrote:
It's 6 year old with a can of old, thick, black, spray paint quality. The penitent engine was brand new though.

Bucket of Super Clean, here we come!

 deviantduck wrote:
It's 6 year old with a can of old, thick, black, spray paint quality. The penitent engine was brand new though.

For the price, its still worth it!

 pretre wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
It's 6 year old with a can of old, thick, black, spray paint quality. The penitent engine was brand new though.

Bucket of Super Clean, here we come!

Or Simple Green and waitabout a week. Most of it will fall right off.

Darn all of you people.

Currently working on getting a 1000 point sisters army to ally with my steel legion and Ultramarines in Apocalypse.

The thing I think I'm most impressed with is that the sisters models still look really, really good when painted next to other 40K models. That's proof that they were really well done when they first came out.

godswildcard wrote:
The thing I think I'm most impressed with is that the sisters models still look really, really good when painted next to other 40K models. That's proof that they were really well done when they first came out.

Yeah, most of the models in the SOB range are running 15-20 years old. In fact, next year (April) we won't any that are less than 10. (Since C:WH came out in 2004 and that was the last update of models we got...)

 pretre wrote:

godswildcard wrote:
The thing I think I'm most impressed with is that the sisters models still look really, really good when painted next to other 40K models. That's proof that they were really well done when they first came out.

Yeah, most of the models in the SOB range are running 15-20 years old. In fact, next year (April) we won't any that are less than 10. (Since C:WH came out in 2004 and that was the last update of models we got...)

That makes me feel really old now. Wow thanks for breaking it down by the numbers and reminding me how long I have been in this hobby.

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40K-Sisters-of-Battle-Warriors-of-Redemption-Boxed-Set-BNIB-/251320660198?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item3a83e0f0e6

Good buy? I like the Cannoness holding the cup!

godswildcard wrote:
What do you guys think of this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40K-Sisters-of-Battle-Warriors-of-Redemption-Boxed-Set-BNIB-/251320660198?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item3a83e0f0e6

Good buy? I like the Cannoness holding the cup!

That's... well, that's pretty damn great. The nostalgia factor alone could really appeal to a lot of people.

Love the OOP Canoness that comes with it, too. Gotta snag me one of those someday...

Well I claim this one!!

That box set is how I started my sob army like 15 years ago.

That is an impressive set I have to say, and for cheap. I have to say, my own interest in SOB has increased over the course of this thread and I do have a special fondness for them now.

For the record, that box ended up going for 155 GBP + 20 GBP shipping! O_O

So $275 shipped. Dear....Sweet.....Merciful....Heavens.....

My max bid was only 100 GBP, and I felt guilty typing it in!

godswildcard wrote:
For the record, that box ended up going for 155 GBP + 20 GBP shipping! O_O

So $275 shipped. Dear....Sweet.....Merciful....Heavens.....

My max bid was only 100 GBP, and I felt guilty typing it in!

Not bad.

If I check correctly with current prices:

Canonness (OOP, replace with current): 8.20
Superior: 8.20
Heavy Flamer: 8.70
Melta: 6.15
Banner Bearer (OOP, replace with blessed banner bearer): 8.20
3 blisters of sisters: 10.75 x 3 = 32.25
5 seraphim (sergeants are OOP): 8.70 x 5 = 43.50
Shrine: 6.65
Total: 121.85 GBP

So, discounting shipping, a 35 GBP markup for the booklet/OOP stuff.

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So I just got a PDF copy of the SoB codex, and I have a few questions about it.

The first one being: Is the avenger actually in the book or is that an 'official' FW tac-on?

godswildcard wrote:
So I just got a PDF copy of the SoB codex, and I have a few questions about it.

The first one being: Is the avenger actually in the book or is that an 'official' FW tac-on?

I'm pretty sure I know which PDF you're looking at and...

Repressor and Avenger are both FW items and not in the codex. As well, the fortifications are part of the main rulebook or their additions and not part of the SOB codex.

For general SOB discussion, I think you'll find this link handy:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/434801.page

It's rather depressing for SoB. A new codex is far, far in the future and recently, iirc at a Q&A at Gamesday or Warhammer World, with a designer, they said that they could not use the old molds to produce plastic models. This means, if I got that right, that they had to produce entirely new molds...and for such a niche army, that'd be a lot of money (?) to invest with doubtful outcome.

Their main troops look really, really ugly with their weird haircut and huge lips, but I like them having their very own style and the winged models look really cool.