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 whembly wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Guess I'll have to try it out sometime, though I don't have the pack yet.

It's really everything you wanted in a "Diablo 3" game...

I wanted the Diablo II user interface / controls. No diablo-clone ever managed that and neither did Diablo 3 nor its expansion :(

What part of the interface/control do you lack? I mean, in games of the genre like Diablo III, Path of Exile, and the many other I do not know of.

D2's control interface wasn't THAT great... it was adequate at least, but I don't know about superior to any other game.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
What part of the interface/control do you lack?

Diablo II minimised mouse clicking and instead allowed holding the right button. The player character would follow the pointer and attack with the currently selected skill as soon as it was in range (server-side). To use a different skill or some sort of skill combo you could scroll through the available skills (using a configurable skill order) or switch to a specific skill using some changeable hotkey. All without having to release the mouse button.
Only parts of the above work in Diablo 3 and not always reliably.

None of that is really unique...

 Melissia wrote:
None of that is really unique...

I've tried a few different diablo-like games including diablo 3, torchlight, titan quest and sacred and none of them implemented anything quite like the controls in diablo II. I'd say that's quite unique.
In those other games it usually all revolves around selecting and clicking on individual targets or sometimes even multiple button clicks to attack a single target as opposed to just choosing the current skill and the attack direction while holding a mouse button. If you wanted you could clear a whole map in diablo II without letting go of the right mouse button and still use various (up to ten iirc) different skills.

 Minx wrote:
To use a different skill or some sort of skill combo you could scroll through the available skills (using a configurable skill order)

I think this is the only part that is missing in Path of Exile. Sadly, because it was a nice feature. On the other hand, PoE has the advantage of allowing you to use the middle mouse button, which I do not think Diablo ever allowed.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Minx wrote:
To use a different skill or some sort of skill combo you could scroll through the available skills (using a configurable skill order)

I think this is the only part that is missing in Path of Exile. Sadly, because it was a nice feature. On the other hand, PoE has the advantage of allowing you to use the middle mouse button, which I do not think Diablo ever allowed.

I've only tried PoE very briefly and found right-click and hold did not work, i.e. the player character would follow the pointer but not attack or not continue to follow/attack after the initial contact.

I always like to play summoner, so I usually do not attack a lot. Do you mean that in Diablo 2, if you just clicked on the ground, and then moved your cursor over an enemy, it would start attacking the enemy?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I always like to play summoner, so I usually do not attack a lot. Do you mean that in Diablo 2, if you just clicked on the ground, and then moved your cursor over an enemy, it would start attacking the enemy?

As long as you held the right mouse button and the enemy was between your player character and the mouse pointer the character would move toward and then attack the enemy.

Oh. In PoE, if you have not clicked on the enemy, you will just move, trying to go around him/her/it, indeed.

 Minx wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
What part of the interface/control do you lack?

Diablo II minimised mouse clicking and instead allowed holding the right button. The player character would follow the pointer and attack with the currently selected skill as soon as it was in range (server-side). To use a different skill or some sort of skill combo you could scroll through the available skills (using a configurable skill order) or switch to a specific skill using some changeable hotkey. All without having to release the mouse button.
Only parts of the above work in Diablo 3 and not always reliably.

That works for me on Diablo3 (PC edition).

I play Sorcerer and routinely hold down the right-mouse button, while I press the SHIFT key to stand pat to "fire" my spells downrange.

That's how I always played in D2.

That works in PoE too.

Yeah, that's why I was confused about that. I don't ... really see D3 as degenerative from D2 as far as controls go.

 whembly wrote:

 Minx wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
What part of the interface/control do you lack?

Diablo II minimised mouse clicking and instead allowed holding the right button. The player character would follow the pointer and attack with the currently selected skill as soon as it was in range (server-side). To use a different skill or some sort of skill combo you could scroll through the available skills (using a configurable skill order) or switch to a specific skill using some changeable hotkey. All without having to release the mouse button.
Only parts of the above work in Diablo 3 and not always reliably.

That works for me on Diablo3 (PC edition).

I play Sorcerer and routinely hold down the right-mouse button, while I press the SHIFT key to stand pat to "fire" my spells downrange.

That's how I always played in D2.

It doesn't work like it did in Diablo II. Try a melee class and you'll see.
And as i said above parts of the old controls/interface actually do work. If you assign one of the generator skills from the left mouse button to right click then the character does follow the pointer if you hold the key and it will even start attacking as soon as an enemy is in range. The problems start if you want to switch skills, especially if you then want to use the formerly right mouse button skill as it suddenly needs a valid target underneath the mouse pointer (even if it's an AoE) but the pointer will usually be behind the enemy line in the direction you want to move next (it won't always work in those circumstances with a target either).

To summarize Diablo 3 doesn't allow changing/rotating skills during combat like its predecessor and switching the left and right mouse button skills hasn't been properly tested. All in all more a case of me nitpicking than a game breaking lack of a feature.

That seems like a very fine distinction to be upset about.

 pretre wrote:
That seems like a very fine distinction to be upset about.

It's just a way to play the game that's possible in Diablo II but not in any other diablo-like game, so actually a fundamental difference if you are one of the very few (it seems) who knew and used that different play style. In most games the player is required to actually select and click (and hold or repeatedly click) on every single enemy whereas in Diablo 3 click and hold to specify direction and skill works but just for a single skill. In Diablo II on the other hand click and hold works for ten previously selected and ordered skills. If you then get used to this very natural and fluid way to play diablo II with minimal clicks than every other interface implementation seems inadequate. Diablo 3 has already most of the necessary code in place it just cannot handle skill switching and swapping the default left - right mapping is not fully supported.

 Minx wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Minx wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
What part of the interface/control do you lack?

Diablo II minimised mouse clicking and instead allowed holding the right button. The player character would follow the pointer and attack with the currently selected skill as soon as it was in range (server-side). To use a different skill or some sort of skill combo you could scroll through the available skills (using a configurable skill order) or switch to a specific skill using some changeable hotkey. All without having to release the mouse button.
Only parts of the above work in Diablo 3 and not always reliably.

That works for me on Diablo3 (PC edition).

I play Sorcerer and routinely hold down the right-mouse button, while I press the SHIFT key to stand pat to "fire" my spells downrange.

That's how I always played in D2.

It doesn't work like it did in Diablo II. Try a melee class and you'll see.
And as i said above parts of the old controls/interface actually do work. If you assign one of the generator skills from the left mouse button to right click then the character does follow the pointer if you hold the key and it will even start attacking as soon as an enemy is in range. The problems start if you want to switch skills, especially if you then want to use the formerly right mouse button skill as it suddenly needs a valid target underneath the mouse pointer (even if it's an AoE) but the pointer will usually be behind the enemy line in the direction you want to move next (it won't always work in those circumstances with a target either).

To summarize Diablo 3 doesn't allow changing/rotating skills during combat like its predecessor and switching the left and right mouse button skills hasn't been properly tested. All in all more a case of me nitpicking than a game breaking lack of a feature.

OH!

I see now.

meh... I got over that. I was more bummed about not being able to "switch gears" at times.

That you can do in PoE.

The only thing I miss about D2 are the skill points and ability points.

I liked making a titan barb with 900 strength.

 whembly wrote:
I see now.

meh... I got over that.

I am not sure if we are talking about the same thing:

I created a Season character over the weekend. It appears that Blizzard compensated for the inability to use gear from other characters by boosting the quality of the drops that your Season characters get.

Have you guys & gals tried it yet post 2.1??

I'm still loving it!

Trying my damndest to get that Phoenix Wizard Set.

I have been playing a lot since ladder opened up. I have a love/hate relation for the greater rifts at the moment. I'll run three in a row and getting nothing but rings each time, then run 2-3 more with no drops at all.

I just need one more piece of the Marauders set to summon all my companions for my Demon Hunter!

Love my seasonal build so far, hard to beat 20-30 million crits a hit. and the new gems are fething cool. attack speed and bleed make bosses drop dead fast!

 Ruberu wrote:
I have been playing a lot since ladder opened up. I have a love/hate relation for the greater rifts at the moment. I'll run three in a row and getting nothing but rings each time, then run 2-3 more with no drops at all.

I just need one more piece of the Marauders set to summon all my companions for my Demon Hunter!

Love my seasonal build so far, hard to beat 20-30 million crits a hit. and the new gems are fething cool. attack speed and bleed make bosses drop dead fast!

Demon Hunters are op. Nerf them all!

:3

^ lol. The funny thing is that the Demon Hunter is the one char that has never really been tampered with. Pretty much all the others have had "OP" moments, then get nerfed to an oblivion and then slowly work their way back to a reasonable state. You know, the way Blizzard normally handles things . The DH now is practically the same DH I had when I first started playing when the game was released. Save for the new gems and equipment along with new buffs that everyone saw.

Speaking of, supposedly they buffed everyone to match the brokenness of that class? Will have to play my wizard again sometime.

 Melissia wrote:
Speaking of, supposedly they buffed everyone to match the brokenness of that class? Will have to play my wizard again sometime.

Yeah Demon hunter has been broken for a very long time. Mostly because of his invulnerable stat line till they changed it so he doesn't dodge 90% of shots fired at him.

And monk being the weakest class.

I wanted to like Monk, but I couldn't manage it.

Wizard and Witch Doctor for life, I guess.

 Melissia wrote:
I wanted to like Monk, but I couldn't manage it.

Wizard and Witch Doctor for life, I guess.

Paladin Crusader is where it is at.