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 Frazzled wrote:
I was going to cut Jihadin some slack on that.

However, if someone wants to give me a field grade Enfield for free, I'll gladly use clips on that puppy.

Nothing against Jihadin (respect!). It's just a peeve of mine because it's two different pieces of equipment. The nomenclature is a holdover from WWII as the GI's main weapon was an M1, that used clips to reload the rifle (as did the German Mauser and the Japanese Arisaka). Today's service rifles/pistols use magazines. I may get my 556 on clips, but it goes into a magazine before it goes into the rifle

Frazzled wrote: Not shot but seen. The thought of shooting a double barreled coach gun makes me slightly giddy. Are you pistol or do you shoot rifle as well?

I shoot a 1897 pump for my shotgun
taken apart and smoothed up... nothing fancy

1873 lever action for my rifle
Action job and short stroke kit (aka cheaters kit) done by "Long Hunter"
Then i installed a flip up tang sight

2x ruger new vaquero
lighter trigger and hammer springs installed by myself
Basic action job done by myself as well



In wild bunch you loose the 2 single action revolvers and pick up a 1911.

You can still use the lever action in Wild Bunch? interesting that.

 Envy89 wrote:

Frazzled wrote: Not shot but seen. The thought of shooting a double barreled coach gun makes me slightly giddy. Are you pistol or do you shoot rifle as well?

I shoot a 1897 pump for my shotgun
taken apart and smoothed up... nothing fancy

1873 lever action for my rifle
Action job and short stroke kit (aka cheaters kit) done by "Long Hunter"
Then i installed a flip up tang sight

2x ruger new vaquero
lighter trigger and hammer springs installed by myself
Basic action job done by myself as well



In wild bunch you loose the 2 single action revolvers and pick up a 1911.

I would LOVE to be able to do Cowboy action, and my daughter is nuts about Cowboys and the Wild West. It's just the cost that is keeping me out. Dont you have to get period costumes etc? Can you use a Ruger Single Six (22LR) o does it have to be cowboy loads?

 Frazzled wrote:
You can still use the lever action in Wild Bunch? interesting that.

Yup. "Wild Bunch" shooting is meant to use the guns that were used in the movie minus the gatling gun.

No dynamite either? Come on, I'm not chewing on this cigar for my health here!

(I didn't remember lever actions in the movie-cool).

 Spacemanvic wrote:
I would LOVE to be able to do Cowboy action, and my daughter is nuts about Cowboys and the Wild West. It's just the cost that is keeping me out. Dont you have to get period costumes etc? Can you use a Ruger Single Six (22LR) o does it have to be cowboy loads?

Depends on the club really. some clubs are nuts about costumes. the first few shoots i went to i was in my work boots, long jeans and a t-shirt. then i started to ware a dress up long sleve shirt.
but now i have a full costume

as far as guns go yeah that is what stops most people from getting into it.
for younger shooters .22's are fine. ruger single six's and henery lever actions. younger shooters dont have to shoot a shotgun but can shoot .410 or if they want to 20 or 12 gauge.

Some of the Uberti pistols are not to bad. i have seen stuff like the 1873 cattlemen go for $350 used... but you do need 2 of them.
the rifles can vary in price. my set up was $1,700 ish for JUST the rifle. but it is the best one i have handled
The shotgun will run you around $400-$500

If you get a 1897 pump theres not really a whole lot that can go wrong.
If you get a side by side coach gun then make sure its not stiff to open up.


another BIG thing to consider is what ammo you want to shoot. i reload .45 long colt so thats what i shoot from my rifle and 2 pistols.
If i dident reload then .45 LC is about $1 a round. so i would have gone with .38's.


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Older (like 15+) can shoot .22's to.

havent met a club yet that required people to shoot full loads. they are all into it, they know that guns are expensive

 Envy89 wrote:

Am I the only one who heard 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star' when he started plinking with the lever action?

 Envy89 wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:
I would LOVE to be able to do Cowboy action, and my daughter is nuts about Cowboys and the Wild West. It's just the cost that is keeping me out. Dont you have to get period costumes etc? Can you use a Ruger Single Six (22LR) o does it have to be cowboy loads?

Depends on the club really. some clubs are nuts about costumes. the first few shoots i went to i was in my work boots, long jeans and a t-shirt. then i started to ware a dress up long sleve shirt.
but now i have a full costume

as far as guns go yeah that is what stops most people from getting into it.
for younger shooters .22's are fine. ruger single six's and henery lever actions. younger shooters dont have to shoot a shotgun but can shoot .410 or if they want to 20 or 12 gauge.

Some of the Uberti pistols are not to bad. i have seen stuff like the 1873 cattlemen go for $350 used... but you do need 2 of them.
the rifles can vary in price. my set up was $1,700 ish for JUST the rifle. but it is the best one i have handled
The shotgun will run you around $400-$500

If you get a 1897 pump theres not really a whole lot that can go wrong.
If you get a side by side coach gun then make sure its not stiff to open up.


another BIG thing to consider is what ammo you want to shoot. i reload .45 long colt so thats what i shoot from my rifle and 2 pistols.
If i dident reload then .45 LC is about $1 a round. so i would have gone with .38's.


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Older (like 15+) can shoot .22's to.

havent met a club yet that required people to shoot full loads. they are all into it, they know that guns are expensive

Do you cast your own lead or do you do Penn Bullets? Also, would a Browning BL-22 lever action suffice for my daughter?


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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Envy89 wrote:

Am I the only one who heard 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star' when he started plinking with the lever action?

Totally. Couldnt get over how soft shooting everything was too.

I've never heard of of the Wilb Bunch/SASS clubs! That's looks like tons of fun, but I doubt I'd join due to the cost. And the costumes remind me of western horse back riding competitions - the flashier, the better!

Spacemanvic wrote: Do you cast your own lead or do you do Penn Bullets? Also, would a Browning BL-22 lever action suffice for my daughter?

Well, I am on a team of relaoders. 1 works the reloading press, 1 guy melts down the lead and casts bullets (all the sizes we shoot) and then myself and a few others work the sizing presses.
You can buy bullets already cast but it REALLY cuts down on the cost if you can cast your own.

A Browning BL-22 should be fine. Most clubs are not really picky about stuff like that. And i doubt any club would turn down a young shooter.
A good rule of thumb is "If it looks the part of an old west gun then its fine to use." SASS even allows for people to use modern adjustable sights now i think. at least for older shooters but i think for everyone.

Spacemanvic wrote: Totally. Couldnt get over how soft shooting everything was too.

That is because most people who reload their own ammo load really light loads. less recoil and less ware and tare on the gun.
There have been times when i have shot and SAW my bullet in a little flash of bright silver before it hit the target

Now if you get into Wild Bunch shooting then they have a power factor that you have to meet which = allmost full power factory loads.
But there again, If your daughter wants to shoot then light loads or a .22lr 1911 is just fine.

Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.

 Jihadin wrote:
Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.

Longmire's a TV show. Only if moisture gets into the powder in the weapon, then the potassium nitrate corrodes. Thats why cans of black powder dont rust from the inside. Its also why percusion cap pistols like Robert E Lees can be loaded for over 10 years, then fired seven years after his death and still work with no corrosion. I have a can of FFF black powder from 1968 that still works, and a buddy has a can of DuPont FF gunpowder from 1926 that is still good.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.

Longmire's a TV show. Only if moisture gets into the powder in the weapon, then the potassium nitrate corrodes. Thats why cans of black powder dont rust from the inside. Its also why percusion cap pistols like Robert E Lees can be loaded for over 10 years, then fired seven years after his death and still work with no corrosion. I have a can of FFF black powder from 1968 that still works, and a buddy has a can of DuPont FF gunpowder from 1926 that is still good.

Interesting. I could have sworn I read somewhere that ammo had a shelf life of around four to six years.

Oh my sweet Freyja's red tears! TELL me where you got your 1897, and where I can get one without taking out a mortgage.

 Breotan wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.

Longmire's a TV show. Only if moisture gets into the powder in the weapon, then the potassium nitrate corrodes. Thats why cans of black powder dont rust from the inside. Its also why percusion cap pistols like Robert E Lees can be loaded for over 10 years, then fired seven years after his death and still work with no corrosion. I have a can of FFF black powder from 1968 that still works, and a buddy has a can of DuPont FF gunpowder from 1926 that is still good.

Interesting. I could have sworn I read somewhere that ammo had a shelf life of around four to six years.

If that was true 7.62x54r surplus would just be a fancy looking paperweight.

 Breotan wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.

Longmire's a TV show. Only if moisture gets into the powder in the weapon, then the potassium nitrate corrodes. Thats why cans of black powder dont rust from the inside. Its also why percusion cap pistols like Robert E Lees can be loaded for over 10 years, then fired seven years after his death and still work with no corrosion. I have a can of FFF black powder from 1968 that still works, and a buddy has a can of DuPont FF gunpowder from 1926 that is still good.

Interesting. I could have sworn I read somewhere that ammo had a shelf life of around four to six years.

If moisture gets into smokeless/black powder, then it ruins the powder, or at least lowers its burn rate.

I grew up shooting with family members, but have only recently gotten back into it as an adult. I have several gifted and inherited firearms, but for guns actually purchased, I started with a 1911-R1. It's a very good .45 out of box for the price point. I've put all kinds of factory and reload stuff through it and it carries on like a champ, reliable and accurate. Last month, I took a mighty plunge and managed to track down a SA Loaded M1A. I put a 1907 style sling on it and have nothing but good things to say thus far. The only bad part is that it's clearly a rifle that outclasses my shooting ability. No blaming the barrel for bad groups here. Must be bad ammo...ahem, heh heh...

PS. @KalashnikovMarine- I have a model 97. The legend is, Grandad found it in a creek bed in the forties after the war. So, no need to spend any money. Apparently they grow right up out of the dirt!

 Breotan wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.

Longmire's a TV show. Only if moisture gets into the powder in the weapon, then the potassium nitrate corrodes. Thats why cans of black powder dont rust from the inside. Its also why percusion cap pistols like Robert E Lees can be loaded for over 10 years, then fired seven years after his death and still work with no corrosion. I have a can of FFF black powder from 1968 that still works, and a buddy has a can of DuPont FF gunpowder from 1926 that is still good.

Interesting. I could have sworn I read somewhere that ammo had a shelf life of around four to six years.

Nope. I have .303s that are older than I am, which means they had to break the time continuum to actually make them before me.

My wish list.

Looking at another M4/AR15
M1 Garand Rifle
.40 cal pistol for the wife.
Spencer rifle
A Winchester
1911

Going to knock on wood and say I'm a bit surprise no Gun Control Enthusiast is writing all our info down as we continue this thread.

Jihadin, get an M1 from the CMP while you can! $650 shipped to your door.

see a early Birthday present for myself before Nov

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Going to have to buy a bit of Mags and CLIPS to go with it to

I have a SPAS and a self-converted Saiga 12. That's a pretty interesting way to finally dive into the hobby...spend hundreds on your first gun purchase only to immediately to take a drill press and hammer to it, and swap out all the guts. Sounds a lot like the wargaming hobby, actually.

The MKA 1919 is next on my list, but I've displayed incredible will power the past couple years and have avoided going to gun shops/shows...mostly. If my dad ever decides to go to the Tulsa show again, I'm screwed. Oh, and for some reason I think I have to have a Baker rifle. Thanks, Sean Bean.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

Nothing against Jihadin (respect!). It's just a peeve of mine because it's two different pieces of equipment. The nomenclature is a holdover from WWII as the GI's main weapon was an M1, that used clips to reload the rifle (as did the German Mauser and the Japanese Arisaka). Today's service rifles/pistols use magazines. I may get my 556 on clips, but it goes into a magazine before it goes into the rifle

Well as long as we're being technical, what you meant to say is that they tend to use detachable magazines. Guns like the M1 Garand have an internal or fixed magazine. Same as with your gun, the clip is just a device used to feed ammo into the magazine...which is the distinction that needs to be stressed in order to stop people from using the two interchangeably. I agree ,though...it drives me crazy.

Clip. Mag. Whatever. Doesn't really matter on the term to describe a 30 round magazine or use a 10 round clip with a speeder tool to load the mag. I only came once to expending my full basic load in a fire fight. If I did go "bingo" for ammo I can say "Pass me a clip" or Pass me a Mag" and everyone knows what I mean. Only time I'm concern with correct word usage in that nature is if I'm going to the Board or something

 Jihadin wrote:
Clip. Mag. Whatever. Doesn't really matter on the term to describe a 30 round magazine or use a 10 round clip with a speeder tool to load the mag. I only came once to expending my full basic load in a fire fight. If I did go "bingo" for ammo I can say "Pass me a clip" or Pass me a Mag" and everyone knows what I mean. Only time I'm concern with correct word usage in that nature is if I'm going to the Board or something

That would be a pretty good comedy skit. A guy goes "pass me a clip" and another guy actually stops in the middle of a firefight to argue with him.

 Cadorius wrote:
I have a SPAS and a self-converted Saiga 12. That's a pretty interesting way to finally dive into the hobby...spend hundreds on your first gun purchase only to immediately to take a drill press and hammer to it, and swap out all the guts. Sounds a lot like the wargaming hobby, actually.

The MKA 1919 is next on my list, but I've displayed incredible will power the past couple years and have avoided going to gun shops/shows...mostly. If my dad ever decides to go to the Tulsa show again, I'm screwed. Oh, and for some reason I think I have to have a Baker rifle. Thanks, Sean Bean.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

Nothing against Jihadin (respect!). It's just a peeve of mine because it's two different pieces of equipment. The nomenclature is a holdover from WWII as the GI's main weapon was an M1, that used clips to reload the rifle (as did the German Mauser and the Japanese Arisaka). Today's service rifles/pistols use magazines. I may get my 556 on clips, but it goes into a magazine before it goes into the rifle

Well as long as we're being technical, what you meant to say is that they tend to use detachable magazines. Guns like the M1 Garand have an internal or fixed magazine. Same as with your gun, the clip is just a device used to feed ammo into the magazine...which is the distinction that needs to be stressed in order to stop people from using the two interchangeably. I agree ,though...it drives me crazy.

I just sold an MKA 1919 this weekend for around $699. Came with two magazines.

On Gunbroker, we currently have listed an Armalite AR-50A1, FN Scar 16s, Ruger 556, the new Sig Sauer PM400 pistol with SB15 brace.......

Just picked up an 80% billet lower, as well as waiting for a free float quad to come in for yet another AR project (AR-15, ya cant have "just one").


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 Jihadin wrote:
see a early Birthday present for myself before Nov

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Going to have to buy a bit of Mags and CLIPS to go with it to

We just got in an ATI M1 on Friday..........

 Jihadin wrote:
My wish list.

Looking at another M4/AR15
M1 Garand Rifle
.40 cal pistol for the wife.
Spencer rifle
A Winchester
1911

Going to knock on wood and say I'm a bit surprise no Gun Control Enthusiast is writing all our info down as we continue this thread.

I like your wish list. I'd substitute a nice Mossberg for the .40 and a Weatherby 30-06 for the 1911.

I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.

Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.

 djones520 wrote:
I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.

Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.

I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.