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Springfield also makes a really nice 1911. A friend picked up one for a decent price at a gun show, and it shoots like a dream.

First note, be careful with that punisher logo and the skull and cross bones, god forbid you ever have to use a weapon in self defense the press/prosecuting attorney would have a field day with that.

My personal firearms are a Gen4 glock 26, a 7mm mauser carbine, 1100 12g, 20ga side by side, and a few others.

 Ryan_A wrote:
First note, be careful with that punisher logo and the skull and cross bones, god forbid you ever have to use a weapon in self defense the press/prosecuting attorney would have a field day with that.

My personal firearms are a Gen4 glock 26, a 7mm mauser carbine, 1100 12g, 20ga side by side, and a few others.

I do use custom grip panels on my 1911. Not logo'd etc, but called "golf-ball dimple".



Also, in an EDC weapon, use factory ammo. Prosecutors have been known to argue that reloaded ammo used in a self defense situation was reloaded to make the ammunition "more lethal".

Dumb-twits.

They've also argued Glock types with no safety and one in the chamber indicates that you're a rabid psychopath cop wannabee who is unsafe. This is despite the vast majority of police departments having Glock/S&W pistols...

 Frazzled wrote:
They've also argued Glock types with no safety and one in the chamber indicates that you're a rabid psychopath cop wannabee who is unsafe. This is despite the vast majority of police departments having Glock/S&W pistols...

Also, that many civies shoot way better than the police.....

Anyone who practices shoots better than your average cop. Thats ok. Thats only a small part of their duties and they shouldn't be experts, unless they just like shooting.

My boss just walked over to my desk about an hour ago and handed me 2 Brownells magazines for my .45. his words, "These are great for practice, but I wouldn't rely on them should the need ever arise..." and then as he left for lunch he said, "Remember, for practice... but if you have to kill a man, rely on something else."

 Frazzled wrote:
Anyone who practices shoots better than your average cop. Thats ok. Thats only a small part of their duties and they shouldn't be experts, unless they just like shooting.

Oh, exactly. But to hold them up as "experts" en masse (as the MSM is prone to do) is a disservice to the public. The public walks around ensconced in the belief that if trouble happens, the police are only a phone call and minutes away.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Anyone who practices shoots better than your average cop. Thats ok. Thats only a small part of their duties and they shouldn't be experts, unless they just like shooting.

Oh, exactly. But to hold them up as "experts" en masse (as the MSM is prone to do) is a disservice to the public. The public walks around ensconced in the belief that if trouble happens, the police are only a phone call and minutes away.

so true, most cops will outshoot all the general public, but most cops will be out shot by any hobby shooter,

last I checked the average cope around here only got 300rnds to practice with each year, unless they provided their own, or were on a special task force like swat or something.

thats not even a single day of practice for me.

any they do not need to be crack shots, like you said, its a small part of their job, and normally they are not the first responders anyway, which is why its so important that citizens (who are normally the first responders) have acess to the tools/training in case they need it to protect someone

Indeed. I'd much rather have a police officer fluent in verbal judo/conflict management, and techniques to spot crime occurring then shooting skills.

 Frazzled wrote:
Indeed. I'd much rather have a police officer fluent in verbal judo/conflict management, and techniques to spot crime occurring then shooting skills.

My problem is when you get who you get in any given situation and end up with this:

New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said all nine bystanders wounded in Friday's Empire State Building shooting had been hit with police gunfire, CNN reported Saturday morning.

According to Kelly, of the nine wounded, three suffered gunshot wounds and six were hit by fragments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/empire-state-building-shooting-nypd-bullets-shot-all-nine_n_1830007.html

Yea, NY police are somewhat notorious for poor shooting skills. In their defense, they are handicapped by being...Yankees.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.

Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.

I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.

As I stated pages ago, I have a RIA 1911 xt-22/45. Having a .22 conversion is nice, but the only .22 I have found that actually cycle the action is minimag, which is hard to find. For a straight .45, the thing runs for about half the cost than most of the big names.

I wouldn't EDC it, but for a range toy, it is really nice without breaking the budget. They also have great customer service.

Taurus also has a good, affordable 1911.

 Frazzled wrote:
Yea, NY police are somewhat notorious for poor shooting skills. In their defense, they are handicapped by being...Yankees.

They're also handicapped by an 8-12 lb trigger.

true that.

Some decently priced 1911s:
*Springfield
*STI (Trojan I think, excellent)
*Ruger (relatively new)
*Remington (yes Remington, also relatively new))
*Rock Island (there's another Filipino one as well).

S&W, Colt, Kimber, Sig, are more expensive, then you get into the nosebleed area with Wilson, Les baer etc.

Isn't there a Para Ordnance out there as well???

sparkywtf wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.

Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.

I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.

As I stated pages ago, I have a RIA 1911 xt-22/45. Having a .22 conversion is nice, but the only .22 I have found that actually cycle the action is minimag, which is hard to find. For a straight .45, the thing runs for about half the cost than most of the big names.

I wouldn't EDC it, but for a range toy, it is really nice without breaking the budget. They also have great customer service.

I went with a Kimber target 22LR slide to use on my 1911 tactical, cycles fine but as with most conversions on the 1911 platform, does not lock back on last round. I wouldnt use a conversion gun by any make as an EDC either.

 Frazzled wrote:
true that.

Some decently priced 1911s:
*Springfield
*STI (Trojan I think, excellent)
*Ruger (relatively new)
*Remington (yes Remington, also relatively new))
*Rock Island (there's another Filipino one as well).

S&W, Colt, Kimber, Sig, are more expensive, then you get into the nosebleed area with Wilson, Les baer etc.

Isn't there a Para Ordnance out there as well???

Para is famous for making double stack 1911s. Taurus now makes a 1911. Worth it? Ehh...but it's out there.

I've heard too much bad stuff about Taurus recently. Obviously take with a grains of salt but their CS supposedly leaves one cold.

Para - ok, STI makes double columns (2011 series) as well, but they are not for the timid budgetwise. I've seen high end competitors with them.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.

Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.

I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.

As I stated pages ago, I have a RIA 1911 xt-22/45. Having a .22 conversion is nice, but the only .22 I have found that actually cycle the action is minimag, which is hard to find. For a straight .45, the thing runs for about half the cost than most of the big names.

I wouldn't EDC it, but for a range toy, it is really nice without breaking the budget. They also have great customer service.

I went with a Kimber target 22LR slide to use on my 1911 tactical, cycles fine but as with most conversions on the 1911 platform, does not lock back on last round. I wouldnt use a conversion gun by any make as an EDC either.

Now I may have too heavy of a recoil spring (if my thinking is right), but I can't get it to fully cycle with run of the mill .22. It gets most of the way but that is it.

 Frazzled wrote:
true that.

Some decently priced 1911s:
*Springfield
*STI (Trojan I think, excellent)
*Ruger (relatively new)
*Remington (yes Remington, also relatively new))
*Rock Island (there's another Filipino one as well).

S&W, Colt, Kimber, Sig, are more expensive, then you get into the nosebleed area with Wilson, Les baer etc.

Isn't there a Para Ordnance out there as well???

Yup, Para has been around a while.

Im looking at maybe an STI Spartan when funds permit.

Ruger's are way overpriced right now because Ruger cant keep up with demand. I waited two years for one before giving up and going with the RIA. They started at an intro price of $650, and now go for over $800 if you can find them.

Some good websites on the 1911 platform are M1911.org and 1911forum.com Lot's of info and reviews, very helpful.

Is it me or is it almost better get a gut rate cheap 1911 for the frame, and just build everything up around it with competition items to taste?

I want a 1911 but it would purely be a range toy. And with the cost of ammo at times I just can't see myself getting one anytime soon, especially when I already own two pistols.

Might get a little single action 22. Revolver though. They're pretty cheap. Just wish I could find ammo...

sparkywtf wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.

Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.

I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.

As I stated pages ago, I have a RIA 1911 xt-22/45. Having a .22 conversion is nice, but the only .22 I have found that actually cycle the action is minimag, which is hard to find. For a straight .45, the thing runs for about half the cost than most of the big names.

I wouldn't EDC it, but for a range toy, it is really nice without breaking the budget. They also have great customer service.

I went with a Kimber target 22LR slide to use on my 1911 tactical, cycles fine but as with most conversions on the 1911 platform, does not lock back on last round. I wouldnt use a conversion gun by any make as an EDC either.

Now I may have too heavy of a recoil spring (if my thinking is right), but I can't get it to fully cycle with run of the mill .22. It gets most of the way but that is it.

You should give Arnel a call (Armscor/Rock Island head gunsmith). (775) 537-1444 Tell them your issues with the pistol, they should square you away.....


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 Frazzled wrote:
Is it me or is it almost better get a gut rate cheap 1911 for the frame, and just build everything up around it with competition items to taste?

Ive seen the $3k Kimber's and Colts go down at the range. As to a gut-rate cheap frame, Im not so sure. RIAs frames are cast 4140 Carbon Steel and their slides are forged 4140 Steel. I went with the 1911 Tactical because it came with most of the stuff I wanted on the pistol already (extended beaver tail, skeletonized trigger, skeletonized hammer, beveled magwell, Novak sights, ambi safety, polished ramp, lowered and flared ejection port. For about $420 OTD.

I replaced the God-awful grip panels ti came with some Springfield grips, then went with poly grips instead, and Ill get some Mepro sights installed eventually, but that's about it.


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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I want a 1911 but it would purely be a range toy. And with the cost of ammo at times I just can't see myself getting one anytime soon, especially when I already own two pistols.

Might get a little single action 22. Revolver though. They're pretty cheap. Just wish I could find ammo...

RELOAD RELOAD RELOAD......at least for 45

To piggyback on what Spacemanvic said, most of those expensive 1911's are wayyyyy too tight. Buy a Kimber and it's a crapshoot on whether or not it's going to work out of the box. If you complain, they tell you to "break it in". Most of the cheaper (and looser) guns work just fine.

When it comes to 1911's, most expensive doesn't always mean more reliable.

I, personally, haven't had any problems shooting the Taurus 1911, but take what you will.

My springer gi 1911 run great. I even carry it on occasion. Looking to update it to some with new safety trigger and hammer.

Kalashnichris wrote:
My springer gi 1911 run great. I even carry it on occasion. Looking to update it to some with new safety trigger and hammer.

Safety trigger and hammer?

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.

Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.

I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.

Yea Ive done a ton of research on their 1911 and the only thing to worry about is the spring is weak. So replace that and apparently they will shoot for thousands of rounds

Anyone look at the American Tactical Imports 1911? For $350 I'd consider one just to see how well it performs...