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Isn't reloading materials as rare as complete bullets right now?

I'd heard there were longer backorders for stuff like powder and primers than complete bullets

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Isn't reloading materials as rare as complete bullets right now?

I'd heard there were longer backorders for stuff like powder and primers than complete bullets

A bullet is just the projectile. What you mean is a round, or projectile or cartridge.

its coming in, little by little. The panic buyers are what screwed us. I can get .224 bullets, but they arent the grain or type I prefer. Primers were hard to get, not so recently. Powder is easier to get if you get the eight pound can.

The thing with reloaders, we hoard what we can, when we can. also doesnt hurt that I work at an LGS .

 Spacemanvic wrote:

Safety trigger and hammer?

Sorry, forgot my comma. Safety, trigger & hammer.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
To piggyback on what Spacemanvic said, most of those expensive 1911's are wayyyyy too tight. Buy a Kimber and it's a crapshoot on whether or not it's going to work out of the box. If you complain, they tell you to "break it in". Most of the cheaper (and looser) guns work just fine.

When it comes to 1911's, most expensive doesn't always mean more reliable.

Really depends on the manufacturer. Wilson, Baer, etc.? Expensive as hell, but worth it.

Kimber used to make decent guns before Cohen started working the "less quality, more absurd color options!" magic he's currently working at Sig.

 djones520 wrote:
Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.

Carry gun? If so, I'd personally go with a Glock, an M&P, or - the one I actually chose - an HK45C.

If you're just looking for a 1911 as a range toy, and don't want to break the bank, I'd recommend a Springfield Mil-Spec with an NM-prefixed serial number.

I'd bet that's a nightmare. Most. 22lr 1911 are finicky little gaks. If it's a .22lr you're looking at go with the Ruger SR22 ,those things are frigging rock solid and in the same price points.

 KingCracker wrote:
I'd bet that's a nightmare. Most. 22lr 1911 are finicky little gaks. If it's a .22lr you're looking at go with the Ruger SR22 ,those things are frigging rock solid and in the same price points.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

Or a Ruger MKIII. My daughter has one, that thing is a tack driver.

 Seaward wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
To piggyback on what Spacemanvic said, most of those expensive 1911's are wayyyyy too tight. Buy a Kimber and it's a crapshoot on whether or not it's going to work out of the box. If you complain, they tell you to "break it in". Most of the cheaper (and looser) guns work just fine.

When it comes to 1911's, most expensive doesn't always mean more reliable.

Really depends on the manufacturer. Wilson, Baer, etc.? Expensive as hell, but worth it.

Kimber used to make decent guns before Cohen started working the "less quality, more absurd color options!" magic he's currently working at Sig.

Agreed. I have an earlier Kimber. Its a freaking work of art. The new ones appear to have problems.

 djones520 wrote:
Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.

Carry gun? If so, I'd personally go with a Glock, an M&P, or - the one I actually chose - an HK45C.

If you're just looking for a 1911 as a range toy, and don't want to break the bank, I'd recommend a Springfield Mil-Spec with an NM-prefixed serial number.

Good points. I switched from a 1911 to a glock style after watching two guys in IDPA forget to take their safety off. I figured in a stress situation, I might too...

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
I'd bet that's a nightmare. Most. 22lr 1911 are finicky little gaks. If it's a .22lr you're looking at go with the Ruger SR22 ,those things are frigging rock solid and in the same price points.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

Or a Ruger MKIII. My daughter has one, that thing is a tack driver.

I was just assuming he wanted something that looks like a normal pistol, where as the MkIII is kindda strange looking But thats also a good option, my oldest brother bought a MkIII and its a joy to shoot. It makes an average shooter a good shot

Rock River's 1911s are literally the best purchase you can make for an entry level .45 my little girl hasn't hiccuped once and I'm putting steel case Russian down the pipe. Did a 500 round torture test with that stuff and that pistol didn't blink once.

If you want a 1911 in .22 your best bet is the Ruger MkIII with the 1911 style grips. Great training tool for about $300, and as mentioned it's a tack driver.

Or like Ive said, the SR22 is a great shooting pistol. Those things almost never fial, and IVe seen EVERYTHING shot through them, they dont seem to be finicky at all. Its in that $300-$400 range as well, you can even buy the threaded barrel version for suppressors and the like. They are great pistols, and dont look like a laser gun from the future (which is the only downfall to the MkIII IMO)

DJ you mention a piece for your wife. Reason why I'm going with a .40 cal. The grips fits her hands nicely. She wanted to go with a 9mm but changed her mind when I brought up that the only time I trusted my 9mm in combat was the Camel Spider that came out from under the rock that was looking to gnaw my leg off at the knee.

The other thing about the 9mm in combat. The insurgent packing a AK47/ So when in pistol range with that PoS 9mm and Hodji packing that AK47 I'm going to beat him to death with my M4 and take the Statement of Charges for breaking my M4

 Jihadin wrote:
DJ you mention a piece for your wife. Reason why I'm going with a .40 cal. The grips fits her hands nicely. She wanted to go with a 9mm but changed her mind when I brought up that the only time I trusted my 9mm in combat was the Camel Spider that came out from under the rock that was looking to gnaw my leg off at the knee.

The other thing about the 9mm in combat. The insurgent packing a AK47/ So when in pistol range with that PoS 9mm and Hodji packing that AK47 I'm going to beat him to death with my M4 and take the Statement of Charges for breaking my M4

Yeah, I'd never place a 9mm into the hands of anyone I loved, for personal protection. We're going to go through a variety of pieces. We'll head to a local range to see what fits best for her.

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, I'd never place a 9mm into the hands of anyone I loved, for personal protection. We're going to go through a variety of pieces. We'll head to a local range to see what fits best for her.

Why, exactly? Unless you're limited to ball for some strange reason, 9's perfectly adequate in hollowpoint form. It sucks as a ball round, but then, so does pretty much every pistol cartridge.

The idea of putting 5-9 rounds into the Insurgent from a 9mm does not appeal to me. Mind you this is combat. If he is close enough to be using 9mm then:
1. Your within grenade range
2. Chances of getting Jacked the Hell up balloons
3. To much time spent on target to lose situational awareness for you in turn to get gun down to.
4. Its literally a knife fight but with loaded Battle Rifles

The time spent putting down the insurgent with a 9mm is the big draw back. What I can do with my M4 with three rounds even though its a 5.56mm round I know where my rounds hit. To me the 9mm is to time dependent and capable of throwing rounds around off target due to jarring from firing. That's my opinion and one I'm not going to test in combat. Go with what you know

I generally listen to Vickers, Haley, DeFoor, and Falla on the subject. 9mm ball sucks. 9mm hollowpoint doesn't have an appreciable performance difference from .40 hollowpoint except through auto glass, and even that's largely been wiped out with bonded hollowpoints.

 Seaward wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, I'd never place a 9mm into the hands of anyone I loved, for personal protection. We're going to go through a variety of pieces. We'll head to a local range to see what fits best for her.

Why, exactly? Unless you're limited to ball for some strange reason, 9's perfectly adequate in hollowpoint form. It sucks as a ball round, but then, so does pretty much every pistol cartridge.

Indeed. Gold dots typically expand 70% and punch the FBI distance just fine. As I can put 4 down range as fast as your two, you might think about that.
You might check your 40s again, the difference is statistically insignificant with a 9mm.

Besides I killed a couch with one shot with a 9mm!



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 Jihadin wrote:
The idea of putting 5-9 rounds into the Insurgent from a 9mm does not appeal to me. Mind you this is combat. If he is close enough to be using 9mm then:
1. Your within grenade range
2. Chances of getting Jacked the Hell up balloons
3. To much time spent on target to lose situational awareness for you in turn to get gun down to.
4. Its literally a knife fight but with loaded Battle Rifles

The time spent putting down the insurgent with a 9mm is the big draw back. What I can do with my M4 with three rounds even though its a 5.56mm round I know where my rounds hit. To me the 9mm is to time dependent and capable of throwing rounds around off target due to jarring from firing. That's my opinion and one I'm not going to test in combat. Go with what you know

Most of the time, carrying an M4 into Starbucks is strictly gauche however. Into a barbeque joint, probably just fine.

 Frazzled wrote:
Besides I killed a couch with one shot with a 9mm!

Did you turn the gun on it's side so that the couch knew you were being serious and going for the kill shot?

I live by the motto "always cheat." It got uppity one too many times so I ambushed it. It never knew what happened.

DocGKR's another good, reliable source of terminal ballistics information. These two posts are pretty much required reading to my mind.

I had a customer last weekend, a couple in their late 50's. She was looking for a carry pistol, her husband was getting her a S&W Model 60 (357/.38 Special) Ladysmith.

She never fired a gun in her life.

We explained it to the husband that she'd be better served with a weapon she would be comfortable and capable of using. We asked what did he start with, he said "22's". So I asked him was the 22 easy and accurate to shoot, he said yes. Then I asked him, did he like shooting it? Again yes. I asked him, would he like his wife to be comfortable and capable of shooting, and maybe even take up shooting with him giving him more range time? That cinched it.

We had her look at and purchase an SR22. We also told her, later down the road, if she wanted a higher caliber weapon, she could trade in the SR22 towards something else. Most times, people keep Rugers we warned her LOL.




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 djones520 wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
DJ you mention a piece for your wife. Reason why I'm going with a .40 cal. The grips fits her hands nicely. She wanted to go with a 9mm but changed her mind when I brought up that the only time I trusted my 9mm in combat was the Camel Spider that came out from under the rock that was looking to gnaw my leg off at the knee.

The other thing about the 9mm in combat. The insurgent packing a AK47/ So when in pistol range with that PoS 9mm and Hodji packing that AK47 I'm going to beat him to death with my M4 and take the Statement of Charges for breaking my M4

Yeah, I'd never place a 9mm into the hands of anyone I loved, for personal protection. We're going to go through a variety of pieces. We'll head to a local range to see what fits best for her.

Im gonna leave this here fer y'all:

Interestingly, Genghis Connie became bored with .22s within 15 minutes.

She shoots 9mm pistol now. She liked my .44 200 grain and 240 grain .44 specials but the S&W model 29 is still too heavy for her. She has to work on her upper body strength anyway for tennis and Vader one hand death chokes.

I prefer a .45 for a wide variety of reasons. Notably because screw you commie.

pfft...real men use muzzleloading flintlocks!

 Spacemanvic wrote:

9mm kills your body, but .45......kills your soul


LOVE IT!

(and for the record, I own a .45, but if/when I get around to getting my CCW, my carry pistol is .380)

Colion is great. I love his vids.

Add me to the pile of "why a .40?" My oldest brother carries a .40 for 2 years now and hates it. Its a VERY snappy round, he is changing up to a 9mm as soon as he can afford it. I wouldnt just toss his opinion into the trash either, hes a retired Marine, that was station in 4 different American Embassies around the world and was consulted to protect President Bush when he went to France.,...twice. He knows his gak when it comes to killing people

Also somewhere on Youtube is an ER doctor that explains what exactly the difference is between the different calibers and being shot by them. Basically, unless you hit something vital in the first go, IE the heart or head for example, you can just plug away on a baddie and they can continue on for a surprisingly long time


Jihadin - So Id tell your g/f to pick the 9mm, because she will be able to train effectively and quickly learn good follow up shots, which will be VERY tough shooting a .40cal. Seriously, that is a snappy round


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Kalashnichris wrote:
Colion is great. I love his vids.

Doesnt everybody? He actually responded to a comment I left on one of his videos once. I was giddy for the next 3 days

 KingCracker wrote:
Add me to the pile of "why a .40?" My oldest brother carries a .40 for 2 years now and hates it. Its a VERY snappy round, he is changing up to a 9mm as soon as he can afford it. I wouldnt just toss his opinion into the trash either, hes a retired Marine, that was station in 4 different American Embassies around the world and was consulted to protect President Bush when he went to France.,...twice. He knows his gak when it comes to killing people

Also somewhere on Youtube is an ER doctor that explains what exactly the difference is between the different calibers and being shot by them. Basically, unless you hit something vital in the first go, IE the heart or head for example, you can just plug away on a baddie and they can continue on for a surprisingly long time

Was it this video?

WARNING: VIDEO HAS GRAPHIC PICTURES.

Damn! 6 pages and still on topic!

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
Add me to the pile of "why a .40?" My oldest brother carries a .40 for 2 years now and hates it. Its a VERY snappy round, he is changing up to a 9mm as soon as he can afford it. I wouldnt just toss his opinion into the trash either, hes a retired Marine, that was station in 4 different American Embassies around the world and was consulted to protect President Bush when he went to France.,...twice. He knows his gak when it comes to killing people

Also somewhere on Youtube is an ER doctor that explains what exactly the difference is between the different calibers and being shot by them. Basically, unless you hit something vital in the first go, IE the heart or head for example, you can just plug away on a baddie and they can continue on for a surprisingly long time

Was it this video?

WARNING: VIDEO HAS GRAPHIC PICTURES.

Spoiler:

That is an excellent video, The doctor (anesthesiologist to be specific) was comparing handgun rounds to rifle rounds. Short story is shoot someone with a handgun they run away, shoot them with a rifle they die.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
Add me to the pile of "why a .40?" My oldest brother carries a .40 for 2 years now and hates it. Its a VERY snappy round, he is changing up to a 9mm as soon as he can afford it. I wouldnt just toss his opinion into the trash either, hes a retired Marine, that was station in 4 different American Embassies around the world and was consulted to protect President Bush when he went to France.,...twice. He knows his gak when it comes to killing people

Also somewhere on Youtube is an ER doctor that explains what exactly the difference is between the different calibers and being shot by them. Basically, unless you hit something vital in the first go, IE the heart or head for example, you can just plug away on a baddie and they can continue on for a surprisingly long time

Was it this video?

WARNING: VIDEO HAS GRAPHIC PICTURES.

Spoiler:

Yessir it is.