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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Sounds interesting, expensive, and something that'll probably soon be regulated.

Isn't that like the bump stocks that have been available for years?

Pretty much yes.

And gak....6 grand? Why not...I dunno, go through the proper channels and get a REAL full auto rifle? Nothing simulated about that

I dont believe in letting people know what I have unless im tryin to get rid of it. But yes I enjoy rec shooting and after 5 years in the USMC I enjoy it more. My favorit caliber to shoot is any 45.

 KingCracker wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Sounds interesting, expensive, and something that'll probably soon be regulated.

Isn't that like the bump stocks that have been available for years?

Pretty much yes.

And gak....6 grand? Why not...I dunno, go through the proper channels and get a REAL full auto rifle? Nothing simulated about that

The real ones start around $16,000, are over 20 years old, require a 9 month wait and a $200 mother may I tax stamp as well as the occasional visit from the ATF.

Sig Sauer came out with a really neat AR pistol/brace combo. The barrel is only 10.5" long, and the brace really shoulders well. Oh, and you DONT have to get an ATF SBR approval either, it's a pistol. 6" may not sound like alot, but clearing a door frame in a car or close quarters, night and day difference compared to a 16" carbine.


We had four of them, sold within 7 hours. We also carry the AR and AK variant of the slide-fire. It actually works really well. I dont like it because it costs $$ to feed the things, and our local ranges do not allow FA or rapid firing. There is plenty of farm land to shoot on though. Also, they are coming out with a slide fire for the 10/22 which should be a HOT seller. I definitely will be getting one of those LOL.

I don't like shooting very much. When you have to go to a range every year and shoot for score with a rifle that you aren't intimately familiar with, it becomes more of a chore.

I especially hate AR15s. I can't see why anyone would want one, besides loser wannabees and other military imposters.

 Captain Fantastic wrote:
I don't like shooting very much. When you have to go to a range every year and shoot for score with a rifle that you aren't intimately familiar with, it becomes more of a chore.

I especially hate AR15s. I can't see why anyone would want one, besides loser wannabees and other military imposters.

AR15s are great as range toys, but I can understand the sentiment of not wanting one in the military. Most of the ex military I know hate them.

 Captain Fantastic wrote:
I don't like shooting very much. When you have to go to a range every year and shoot for score with a rifle that you aren't intimately familiar with, it becomes more of a chore.

I especially hate AR15s. I can't see why anyone would want one, besides loser wannabees and other military imposters.

lol really? is this a joke or is it just a troll comment?

all the militaries, and all the civies, own em because they are accurate, modular, can be done in ANY caliber, cheap, and reliable...

if you only go once a year, you will never be "intimately" familiar with a rifle... and personally I have a blast using new to me rifles for the first time.

the comradere of shooters is actually my favorite part of the sport, they always let me try out their guns, often eating the ammo cost with a smile and a handshake (OFC I spot people ammo as well),

first time I shot lever action, black powder, bench guns, even my first 1911 was all on the charity of strangers, and they were all loads of fun to shoot!






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 Captain Fantastic wrote:
I don't like shooting very much. When you have to go to a range every year and shoot for score with a rifle that you aren't intimately familiar with, it becomes more of a chore.

I especially hate AR15s. I can't see why anyone would want one, besides loser wannabees and other military imposters.

AR15s are great as range toys, but I can understand the sentiment of not wanting one in the military. Most of the ex military I know hate them.

most ex mil guys I know use AR's and love em, if its not an AR, they use a tavor or Cz 858(similar to AK)

most guys I know who dont like AR's dont like em because they got a bad one, or had a beater on in the forces that wasnt maintained properly or had a shot out barrel

really though, any semi that accurate, reliable, and takes statnag mags is just fine, I personally like AR's, CZ's, tavors, garands, m1's, sks's, lee enfeilds, 770's, and so on... they are all good in my books

 Captain Fantastic wrote:
I don't like shooting very much. When you have to go to a range every year and shoot for score with a rifle that you aren't intimately familiar with, it becomes more of a chore.

I especially hate AR15s. I can't see why anyone would want one, besides loser wannabees and other military imposters.

I sense envy from the man in Japan.....

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Different tools for different jobs. Yes, it is easier, especially from a legal point of view to have one registered lower, and two or three different uppers to chose from, but there's no getting away from the inherent flaws in the AR15 design, and the bulkiness of the whole package in general. The immovable buffer spring housing is the first thing that comes to mind. If I wanted to shoot a .308, I wouldn't want it to be semi-automatic, or so heavy, since I'd want to save weight on the ammunition. If I wanted something smaller, I wouldn't want such a long barrel (even a minimum of 14 would be too long, personally), or a large magazine well, or a fixed stock. If you honestly care about those trendy intermediate cartridges that are floating around, then I guess AR platforms are your only options, since no one bothers making original designs for anything anymore.

Just because they're in the military doesn't mean they know anything about weapons. They go along with the politically charged trends like every other 2nd Amendment freedom fighter, blindly falling into stupid gimmicky crap like quad rails and magpul. The most your average Lance Corporal knows about his weapon is how to take the bolt apart and shove copious amounts of cotton swabs in the buffer tube.

 Spacemanvic wrote:
Sig Sauer came out with a really neat AR pistol/brace combo. The barrel is only 10.5" long, and the brace really shoulders well. Oh, and you DONT have to get an ATF SBR approval either, it's a pistol. 6" may not sound like alot, but clearing a door frame in a car or close quarters, night and day difference compared to a 16" carbine.

How is that a pistol and not a SBR? Is it the absence of a stock that makes the difference?

 Breotan wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:
Sig Sauer came out with a really neat AR pistol/brace combo. The barrel is only 10.5" long, and the brace really shoulders well. Oh, and you DONT have to get an ATF SBR approval either, it's a pistol. 6" may not sound like alot, but clearing a door frame in a car or close quarters, night and day difference compared to a 16" carbine.

How is that a pistol and not a SBR? Is it the absence of a stock that makes the difference?

Pretty much. The intent of the SB15 brace is for people who are unable to hold the firearm in the traditional sense (Americans with Disability). It was designed by a vet for that purpose.

However, having fired and seen people firing an AR pistol, just about everyone shoulders the buffer tube. This brace is made of flexible material, but it shoulders very well, especially in a close quarter situation. Each comes with a copy of a letter from the ATF that states the weapon is a pistol with a brace and not an SBR. We've told people to make a copy of the letter and keep it in the pistol grip of the pistol. It also comes with a standard foam cover for the buffer tube.


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 Captain Fantastic wrote:

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Different tools for different jobs. Yes, it is easier, especially from a legal point of view to have one registered lower, and two or three different uppers to chose from, but there's no getting away from the inherent flaws in the AR15 design, and the bulkiness of the whole package in general. The immovable buffer spring housing is the first thing that comes to mind. If I wanted to shoot a .308, I wouldn't want it to be semi-automatic, or so heavy, since I'd want to save weight on the ammunition. If I wanted something smaller, I wouldn't want such a long barrel (even a minimum of 14 would be too long, personally), or a large magazine well, or a fixed stock. If you honestly care about those trendy intermediate cartridges that are floating around, then I guess AR platforms are your only options, since no one bothers making original designs for anything anymore.

Just because they're in the military doesn't mean they know anything about weapons. They go along with the politically charged trends like every other 2nd Amendment freedom fighter, blindly falling into stupid gimmicky crap like quad rails and magpul. The most your average Lance Corporal knows about his weapon is how to take the bolt apart and shove copious amounts of cotton swabs in the buffer tube.

So do you have issue with 80% non registered lowers? I own a few of those as well.

Also run a piston AR, BAM, buffer tube problem solved......

Wonder how long it will be till the ATF tries to ban that.

I'm really surprised they haven't banned slide fire stocks yet.

 Captain Fantastic wrote:

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Different tools for different jobs. Yes, it is easier, especially from a legal point of view to have one registered lower, and two or three different uppers to chose from, but there's no getting away from the inherent flaws in the AR15 design, and the bulkiness of the whole package in general. The immovable buffer spring housing is the first thing that comes to mind. If I wanted to shoot a .308, I wouldn't want it to be semi-automatic, or so heavy, since I'd want to save weight on the ammunition. If I wanted something smaller, I wouldn't want such a long barrel (even a minimum of 14 would be too long, personally), or a large magazine well, or a fixed stock. If you honestly care about those trendy intermediate cartridges that are floating around, then I guess AR platforms are your only options, since no one bothers making original designs for anything anymore.

Just because they're in the military doesn't mean they know anything about weapons. They go along with the politically charged trends like every other 2nd Amendment freedom fighter, blindly falling into stupid gimmicky crap like quad rails and magpul. The most your average Lance Corporal knows about his weapon is how to take the bolt apart and shove copious amounts of cotton swabs in the buffer tube.

LOL really? did you just complain about the "fixed" stock on an ar-15.... you know those have been collapsable for years now right... and that buffer tube was a big advance in recoil mitigation...

the larger box mag, selective fire, the weight of the gun + ammo used were actually vast improvements over the previous rifle used by the military.

"trendy" intermediate cartridges? like the 5.56 and 7.62? really?

trendy?

you mean, used by everyone right?

if you mean silly things like .300 blackout or whisper or those stupid wild cat cartridges, then yeah, Id say they are a waste of $ for something thats no better then a 7.63. No one really uses them, outside of internet discussions its incredably rare to see someone use it or mention them.

the ar-15 being one of the first, and most innovative rifles designed with CNC tech in mind, they do everything well... yes some guns specialize better in some things (like .308, you likely want a bolt action for long distance hunting) but even spec op teams that literally can choose from any weapon on the planet, choose m4's the vast majority of the time, these guys are not top brass, they know what they need in the feild.

heck, I agree with you on all the magpull quad rail- barbie doll rifles people make, I shoot my ar with irons, and nothing else tacked on, because none of that stuff really adds anything. I also have owned or shot inumerable other rifles, and the only ones that come close are CZ 858'z, vz 58s, ak's, ACR, SCAR's, and the tavor.

at the end of the day, an accurate semi that takes box mags and has modular capability is all you need, and all of the above provide that... AR's are just one of the cheaper, and more common options (ie cheaper parts)

but its like you just said civics are crappy cars... while they may not do the job of a race car as good as a race car does, they do a lot of jobs quite well, and their popularity is due to how awesome they are, not because everyone is a fast and furious wannabe.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Wonder how long it will be till the ATF tries to ban that.

I'm really surprised they haven't banned slide fire stocks yet.

Cat's outta the bag at this point on the SB15 brace. They cant ban the AR pistol as it is a pistol already. Remove the brace, slip on the foam cover and voila, standard pistol.


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 easysauce wrote:

 Captain Fantastic wrote:

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Different tools for different jobs. Yes, it is easier, especially from a legal point of view to have one registered lower, and two or three different uppers to chose from, but there's no getting away from the inherent flaws in the AR15 design, and the bulkiness of the whole package in general. The immovable buffer spring housing is the first thing that comes to mind. If I wanted to shoot a .308, I wouldn't want it to be semi-automatic, or so heavy, since I'd want to save weight on the ammunition. If I wanted something smaller, I wouldn't want such a long barrel (even a minimum of 14 would be too long, personally), or a large magazine well, or a fixed stock. If you honestly care about those trendy intermediate cartridges that are floating around, then I guess AR platforms are your only options, since no one bothers making original designs for anything anymore.

Just because they're in the military doesn't mean they know anything about weapons. They go along with the politically charged trends like every other 2nd Amendment freedom fighter, blindly falling into stupid gimmicky crap like quad rails and magpul. The most your average Lance Corporal knows about his weapon is how to take the bolt apart and shove copious amounts of cotton swabs in the buffer tube.

LOL really? did you just complain about the "fixed" stock on an ar-15.... you know those have been collapsable for years now right... and that buffer tube was a big advance in recoil mitigation...

the larger box mag, selective fire, the weight of the gun + ammo used were actually vast improvements over the previous rifle used by the military.

"trendy" intermediate cartridges? like the 5.56 and 7.62? really?

trendy?

you mean, used by everyone right?

if you mean silly things like .300 blackout or whisper or those stupid wild cat cartridges, then yeah, Id say they are a waste of $ for something thats no better then a 7.63. No one really uses them, outside of internet discussions its incredably rare to see someone use it or mention them.

the ar-15 being one of the first, and most innovative rifles designed with CNC tech in mind, they do everything well... yes some guns specialize better in some things (like .308, you likely want a bolt action for long distance hunting) but even spec op teams that literally can choose from any weapon on the planet, choose m4's the vast majority of the time, these guys are not top brass, they know what they need in the feild.

heck, I agree with you on all the magpull quad rail- barbie doll rifles people make, I shoot my ar with irons, and nothing else tacked on, because none of that stuff really adds anything. I also have owned or shot inumerable other rifles, and the only ones that come close are CZ 858'z, vz 58s, ak's, ACR, SCAR's, and the tavor.

at the end of the day, an accurate semi that takes box mags and has modular capability is all you need, and all of the above provide that... AR's are just one of the cheaper, and more common options (ie cheaper parts)

but its like you just said civics are crappy cars... while they may not do the job of a race car as good as a race car does, they do a lot of jobs quite well, and their popularity is due to how awesome they are, not because everyone is a fast and furious wannabe.

I went with a free float on my AR. Takes next to no pressure to throw off a barrel. I also run a red dot on mine co-witnessed to irons. Target acquisition is faster with the red dot.

yeah, thats why i like holding it from the magwell, built in free float pretty much.

although I dont notice much difference within 400m with my FF barrels vs my standard one (past that is a much different story)

never understood how the USA can get so worked up about SBR's, while here in canuckistan, you can buy a 7.5 the same way you buy a 16"+ ar...

(althought to get ar's here you need TWO gun licenses, courses, and associated fees, in a process that can take 3-6 months, and requires 5 referances, spousal approval, daily background checks after passing inital background checks, and an RCMP inteview, and a special permit to transport it from your house to the range, and even then, you cant take your AR into the bush.)

easysauce wrote:

LOL really? did you just complain about the "fixed" stock on an ar-15.... you know those have been collapsable for years now right... and that buffer tube was a big advance in recoil mitigation...

No, but that buffer tube, whether it's a carbine tube or not is still fixed in place. It doesn't fold, and it can't be removed without serious modification.

the larger box mag, selective fire, the weight of the gun + ammo used were actually vast improvements over the previous rifle used by the military.

Sorry? Box Mags are a civilian concept. Why do you need so much ammunition at one time anyway? To hunt? AR15s are not Select fire. The weight of an M4gery is obvious substantially less, since it has six inches of barrel missing and a shorter buffer assembly

"trendy" intermediate cartridges? like the 5.56 and 7.62? really?


trendy?

you mean, used by everyone right?

if you mean silly things like .300 blackout or whisper or those stupid wild cat cartridges, then yeah, Id say they are a waste of $ for something thats no better then a 7.63. No one really uses them, outside of internet discussions its incredably rare to see someone use it or mention them.
Yes, like those.
the ar-15 being one of the first, and most innovative rifles designed with CNC tech in mind, they do everything well... yes some guns specialize better in some things (like .308, you likely want a bolt action for long distance hunting) but even spec op teams that literally can choose from any weapon on the planet, choose m4's the vast majority of the time, these guys are not top brass, they know what they need in the feild.
It was innovative 50 years ago. I'm not debating its usefulness as a Military weapon. It's fine. As a civilian weapon, it doesn't make much sense besides the fact that it's "technically" multi caliber.
heck, I agree with you on all the magpull quad rail- barbie doll rifles people make, I shoot my ar with irons, and nothing else tacked on, because none of that stuff really adds anything. I also have owned or shot inumerable other rifles, and the only ones that come close are CZ 858'z, vz 58s, ak's, ACR, SCAR's, and the tavor.

at the end of the day, an accurate semi that takes box mags and has modular capability is all you need, and all of the above provide that... AR's are just one of the cheaper, and more common options (ie cheaper parts)

but its like you just said civics are crappy cars... while they may not do the job of a race car as good as a race car does, they do a lot of jobs quite well, and their popularity is due to how awesome they are, not because everyone is a fast and furious wannabe.

The problem here seems to be realism. What do you actually need this rifle for? Do you need to kill people, or do you just want to shoot paper and cans all day? Are you going to be rushing from cover to cover for hours a day, getting out of a helicopter and providing cover for a medivac, or doing something else that requires a tough as nails, low maintenance weapon? Probably not. The AR15 is fine, but if you just want to shoot cans with .223 (which is a bad round for just about anything besides killing people), there are a few options.

Cue flashbacks to MCRD, carrying that cursed black rifle everywhere at port arms, tenderly caring for and fawning over that weapon, like it were an extension of my body. Sleeping with that cold, sharp weapon in my sleeping sack, and waking up to a muzzle brake instead of a woman...Crawling under barbed wire and using that poor rifle to keep the wire out of my face and filling every nook and cranny of it with sand and water... I have a tragic relationship with firearms.

 easysauce wrote:
yeah, thats why i like holding it from the magwell, built in free float pretty much.

although I dont notice much difference within 400m with my FF barrels vs my standard one (past that is a much different story)

never understood how the USA can get so worked up about SBR's, while here in canuckistan, you can buy a 7.5 the same way you buy a 16"+ ar...

(althought to get ar's here you need TWO gun licenses, courses, and associated fees, in a process that can take 3-6 months, and requires 5 referances, spousal approval, daily background checks after passing inital background checks, and an RCMP inteview, and a special permit to transport it from your house to the range, and even then, you cant take your AR into the bush.)

Nah, Ive seen ruptures at the mag well, would not want my hand anywhere near there or the magazine just in case.

I cant understand how we get so worked up over cans in the US. Elsewhere, it's practically stocked in hardware stores. Here, requires an ATF stamp and a long wait.

Tonight, should be picking up my daughters Browning BL22 from my second job.


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 Captain Fantastic wrote:
The problem here seems to be realism. What do you actually need this rifle for? Do you need to kill people, or do you just want to shoot paper and cans all day? Are you going to be rushing from cover to cover for hours a day, getting out of a helicopter and providing cover for a medivac, or doing something else that requires a tough as nails, low maintenance weapon? Probably not. The AR15 is fine, but if you just want to shoot cans with .223 (which is a bad round for just about anything besides killing people), there are a few options.

Cue flashbacks to MCRD, carrying that cursed black rifle everywhere at port arms, tenderly caring for and fawning over that weapon, like it were an extension of my body. Sleeping with that cold, sharp weapon in my sleeping sack, and waking up to a muzzle brake instead of a woman...Crawling under barbed wire and using that poor rifle to keep the wire out of my face and filling every nook and cranny of it with sand and water... I have a tragic relationship with firearms.

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The inherent problem is your inability to grasp the intent of 2A. "Need" is not a factor. Also, the AR in 223/556 is a great HD weapon.

lol really? why would I want it for civvie use?

because I cant get an M4, so I buy an ar-15...

box fed semi autos, ar-15s, CZs, whatever, are basically the same... why you seem to have an issue with a civilian owning a ar-15, but not say a different semi auto in .223 is beyond me.

also, 223(5.56) is great for coyotes/small-mid game and semi auto is needed for faster follow up shots in case you miss, or need to put the animal out of its misery.

there is literally, no difference between a AR-15 semi auto in .223 and a ruger-mini 14 semi auto in .223, yet you would never balk at the ruger. both will kill animals just fine, or serve as defensive guns, both will shoot targets just fine... not sure why you are so bent out of shape over this particulare semi auto .223 in a world full of similar designs.

maintanence wise, I can dissasemble the whole thing with no tools, and clean it with a rag every 1000 rounds or so, and i have 0 issues...

and 5.56 isnt going to kill anymore or less then any other intermediate round... you like the .308... well that round will do more dmg to a person/animal/thing then the .223

realism?

The problem here seems to be realism. What do you actually need this rifle for? Do you need to kill people, or do you just want to shoot paper and cans all day? Are you going to be rushing from cover to cover for hours a day, getting out of a helicopter and providing cover for a medivac, or doing something else that requires a tough as nails, low maintenance weapon? Probably not. The AR15 is fine, but if you just want to shoot cans with .223 (which is a bad round for just about anything besides killing people), there are a few options.

really?

so i should go for high maintenace, unreliable, innaccurate guns instead?

that just sounds unsafe.

and FYI, dragging a gun through the bush hunting will get just as much mud/dirt in is as a soildier on patrol or whatever would...

if it makes you feel "safer" I only get 5 rounds in my mags up here, however crooks still have their illegally obtained full autos with 30rnd plus mags however.


Id rather have a low maint, high accuracy, reliable gun that works for target shooting/small game (or large with cal change)/ and self defence.

From a non-Second Amendment perspective people like 5.56/.223 because:
*Despite the Obama Bullet Bubble II, these are cheap bullets.
*They are accurate.
*They can be used for a variety of game up to deer.

Why the AR-15 / M4
*Like 40K a strength is its ability to customize it to your personal satisfaction.
*Accurate. No its not a Remington 700, but its accurate for an autoloader. Some versions are exceedingly (sub MOA) accurate.
*It don't kick for nothing. This matters for a variety of shooters including da wimminz
*tacticool. Ok there is a lot of that.
*Multipurpose: fun range plinking/home offense/hunting.

Note I do not have an AR 15 clone, nor intend to have one.

 Captain Fantastic wrote:


Cue flashbacks to MCRD, carrying that cursed black rifle everywhere at port arms, tenderly caring for and fawning over that weapon, like it were an extension of my body. Sleeping with that cold, sharp weapon in my sleeping sack, and waking up to a muzzle brake instead of a woman...Crawling under barbed wire and using that poor rifle to keep the wire out of my face and filling every nook and cranny of it with sand and water... I have a tragic relationship with firearms.

I don't blame you for being a wimp, I blame your Drill Instructors for not beating this strain of weakness out of you properly. Wah. Lady of the Folkvangr protect me if I had a private like you in my unit I'd kill myself to protect my own honor from contamination. "Oooh it's sharp and cold" oh please, if you can't snuggle up to an M16 service rifle you have no place snuggling up to a woman, or a man if that's your fancy, and cold as rifle steel might be it's still no where near as cold as a woman's feet.

Otherwise see Frazz's post. ARs are pretty awesome.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Captain Fantastic wrote:


Cue flashbacks to MCRD, carrying that cursed black rifle everywhere at port arms, tenderly caring for and fawning over that weapon, like it were an extension of my body. Sleeping with that cold, sharp weapon in my sleeping sack, and waking up to a muzzle brake instead of a woman...Crawling under barbed wire and using that poor rifle to keep the wire out of my face and filling every nook and cranny of it with sand and water... I have a tragic relationship with firearms.

I don't blame you for being a wimp, I blame your Drill Instructors for not beating this strain of weakness out of you properly. Wah. Lady of the Folkvangr protect me if I had a private like you in my unit I'd kill myself to protect my own honor from contamination. "Oooh it's sharp and cold" oh please, if you can't snuggle up to an M16 service rifle you have no place snuggling up to a woman, or a man if that's your fancy, and cold as rifle steel might be it's still no where near as cold as a woman's feet.

Otherwise see Frazz's post. ARs are pretty awesome.

The bold part is what makes me think "Fantastic" is fantasizing. Maybe it's the melodramatic prose.
+1 on the awesomeness that is the AR

So I'm moving to Texas in March, and I'm going to need a few guns.

Items I want:
Bolt action "sniper" rifle. Something with decent range, mostly for relaxed shooting, not hunting at all(I like sleeping in more than wanting to hunt).
The fun gun. Something flashy like a custom AR or MP5, brands and style recommendations wanted.
Handgun. I tried a 1911 a few months back, and feel that I need to bulk up before handling one again as it kicks much more than a 9mm(from what I remember of a 9mm). Something practical for this one.

halp?

 Aerethan wrote:
So I'm moving to Texas in March, and I'm going to need a few guns.

Items I want:
Bolt action "sniper" rifle. Something with decent range, mostly for relaxed shooting, not hunting at all(I like sleeping in more than wanting to hunt).
The fun gun. Something flashy like a custom AR or MP5, brands and style recommendations wanted.
Handgun. I tried a 1911 a few months back, and feel that I need to bulk up before handling one again as it kicks much more than a 9mm(from what I remember of a 9mm). Something practical for this one.

halp?

First, lets work on the nomenclature.

Bolt action rifle. No one refers to "sniper" unless they get paid for being one or they want to draw attention to themselves LOL.

Anyway, a Savage Model 12 in 243 Winchester would be a great choice for a long range rifle. Would also be good for deer if you ever get up early enough LOL.

For a fun gun, you cant go wrong with a Ruger 10/22 and just kit the snot out of it. Wont break the bank, can look as slick as you want it to, is alot of fun and doesnt cost alot of $$ and is a great Made in the US quality piece. Also, once the ammo shortage is over, 22LR is pretty inexpensive to shoot.

Here is the 10/22 stock:


Here it is in a conversion kit (Archangel HK Marauder G36):


Nordic designs conversion kit:


Tommy gun conversion kit:


M1 carbine conversion kit


Gattling gun conversion kit:


Was it a polymer 1911? 45 ACP out of a full size steel 1911 is soft shooting, less snap than a 9MM. If you intend to CCW, then maybe a 1911 in Commander size. Remember, usually the smaller the pistol the more the snap.

Apologies for the crap wording. When I say "sniper" I just mean a bolt action with a scope meant for long range shooting, and having never owned a gun I'm not up on the proper terminology.

I honestly couldn't tell you what kind of 1911 it was, it was a rental range in Vegas months ago. I suppose for that particular item I'll have to arrange to test out a few different models to find one that I like.

I do plan on getting a CCW license, so for that I'd definitely go with something smaller, but not a revolver as I just don't care for them.

 Aerethan wrote:
Apologies for the crap wording. When I say "sniper" I just mean a bolt action with a scope meant for long range shooting, and having never owned a gun I'm not up on the proper terminology.

I honestly couldn't tell you what kind of 1911 it was, it was a rental range in Vegas months ago. I suppose for that particular item I'll have to arrange to test out a few different models to find one that I like.

I do plan on getting a CCW license, so for that I'd definitely go with something smaller, but not a revolver as I just don't care for them.

No worries!

Just check my first post to you with the added pictures. You can do lots of things with the 10/22 without breaking the bank...

Bolt actions run the full gambit. Its sounds like you’re looking for inexpensive:
Mossberg something (you’ll see)
Ruger American
Savage something (you’ll see)
These incorporate newer technology to pop up good accuracy. We’re talking $450 or less.

Fun gun:
Agreed go with a .22 semi auto. Fun AND cheap (both the rifle and the ammo). Marlin semi autos are more accurate, but Rugers (as discussed earlier) can be played with. You can get a nice .22 Henry lever action and go to town Clint Eastwood style. In addition or alternatively I’d suggest a nice Ruger/Browning/S&W .22LR pistol wee hA!!!!!

1911: I suggest going to Red’s in Pflugerville. You’ll know where that is once you land in Austin. They have a buttload of pistols you can try.

I do plan on getting a CCW license, so for that I'd definitely go with something smaller, but not a revolver as I just don't care for them.

See above. Also there are several CC compatible pistols now with extended mags to handle full size fun as well.

As an aside IDPA does shooting at Liberty Hill and Austin Rifle Club. USPSA also does ARC. I think Liberty does 3 gun matches as well.

OT but watch out for the neanderthal being walked by several dogs, you future Cedar Chopper. He's packing.

That Ruger does have a billion options available, and is quite light on the wallet. Excellent recommendation there!

as the above have mentioned, the ruger 22 is pretty awesome, very popular up here as well (my god I wish we could ge the tommy gun conversions stocks up here)

one nice thing, if you are into AR-15's, is that they can fire both .223 and .22lr with only a different bolt/magazine,

so one gun, twice the fun! makes for some cheap 3 gun practice, and dumping 50rnd .22 mags is a hoot!

cmmg makes a good one, but I hear good things about other .22 lr conversion kits as well.

my main advice would be to join a shooting forum, and find local people who are into the sport and tag along with them and try out lots of stuff before you buy anything,

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Id rather have a low maint, high accuracy, reliable gun that works for target shooting/small game (or large with cal change)/ and self defence.

Sorry, I wouldnt classify the AR-15, M-4 or any other variant to be a "low Maintenance" weapon. Going on 10 years with the little beasties, and I am quite comfortable/familiar with them. Yest, they are accurate and actually fairly reliable IF, and thats a big IF, you take care of them. They are a precision instrument, and need to be treated as such. If you treat one as some cave dweller would his AK, and yeah, it's not going to fire like the AK will.


I'd personally prefer the Israeli rifle or an ACR or SCAR for my personal collection, just for the sake of learning a new weapon.

Stumbled upon this today - a 14.9mm "rifle" designed for long range sniping

http://www.popularairsoft.com/just-look-freakin-rifle

Might as well make a shoulder-fired tank shell next.

Edit - spelling

I don't blame you for being a wimp, I blame your Drill Instructors for not beating this strain of weakness out of you properly. Wah. Lady of the Folkvangr protect me if I had a private like you in my unit I'd kill myself to protect my own honor from contamination. "Oooh it's sharp and cold" oh please, if you can't snuggle up to an M16 service rifle you have no place snuggling up to a woman, or a man if that's your fancy, and cold as rifle steel might be it's still no where near as cold as a woman's feet.

Exalted 8)