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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 easysauce wrote:


Id rather have a low maint, high accuracy, reliable gun that works for target shooting/small game (or large with cal change)/ and self defence.

Sorry, I wouldnt classify the AR-15, M-4 or any other variant to be a "low Maintenance" weapon. Going on 10 years with the little beasties, and I am quite comfortable/familiar with them. Yest, they are accurate and actually fairly reliable IF, and thats a big IF, you take care of them. They are a precision instrument, and need to be treated as such. If you treat one as some cave dweller would his AK, and yeah, it's not going to fire like the AK will.


I'd personally prefer the Israeli rifle or an ACR or SCAR for my personal collection, just for the sake of learning a new weapon.

Any interest in an FN. Scar 16s?

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 easysauce wrote:


Id rather have a low maint, high accuracy, reliable gun that works for target shooting/small game (or large with cal change)/ and self defence.

Sorry, I wouldnt classify the AR-15, M-4 or any other variant to be a "low Maintenance" weapon. Going on 10 years with the little beasties, and I am quite comfortable/familiar with them. Yest, they are accurate and actually fairly reliable IF, and thats a big IF, you take care of them. They are a precision instrument, and need to be treated as such. If you treat one as some cave dweller would his AK, and yeah, it's not going to fire like the AK will.


I'd personally prefer the Israeli rifle or an ACR or SCAR for my personal collection, just for the sake of learning a new weapon.

maybe you and I just have different opinons on what low maintenance is, I clean with brush/rag every 500-1000 rnds is all, maybe check to tighten things every 5k, that to me is low maint. long as I dont get big gobs of mud in the action or barrel it runs well, handles rain, dirt, snow, -40 C ect,


my Czech 58 "not and ak but close enough" however has been a problem since day one, go figure.

even ak's need some love every now and then, you gotta take care of any gun to make 100% sure it will take care of you no matter what you run, no such thing as maintenance free with cars, women, or guns IMO.

I live in Illinois, as such I grew up only shooting shotguns, and the gun I own for trap, fowling, and deer hunting is a 12 gauge Franchi over and under. It was my fathers gun and I have used it for over 13 years.

 Jihadin wrote:

I don't blame you for being a wimp, I blame your Drill Instructors for not beating this strain of weakness out of you properly. Wah. Lady of the Folkvangr protect me if I had a private like you in my unit I'd kill myself to protect my own honor from contamination. "Oooh it's sharp and cold" oh please, if you can't snuggle up to an M16 service rifle you have no place snuggling up to a woman, or a man if that's your fancy, and cold as rifle steel might be it's still no where near as cold as a woman's feet.

Exalted 8)

Agreed, and did the same... Sorry, but seriously if you have these sorts of issues with the greatest life saver ever issued to you in the military, you probably should go join the Girl Scouts... if they'll have you.

A Tavor is high up on my christmas list for the record.

Also I'm sleeping with my AR-15 tonight just to prove a goddamn point. I always felt most comfortable in boot when we were racked out with our rifles, maybe I'm just weird but I liked knowing where rifle was.

Did any one have their DIs come around and attempt to steal rifles? That was one of their favorite tricks when we were in the field, I slept with the rifle tight to me, and the sling wrapped around my leg. If you drag the rifle out you'll be dragging my pissed off Irish ass with it! At MCT some fuckheads leaned their rifles against their cots and were general clusterfeths beyond that. Boots and gear all the hell over the place, looked like what you call a yardsale in the skiing and snowboarding community. Well I'm sitting on the ridge with my buddy watching all of this through our RCOs, we're OPFOR and about to lay some hurt on the FOB see? Just as we're about to engage, a combat instructor walks over and starts collecting rifles. I had to tackle one of the Marines with me to stop him from firing, but it was too good to pass up, the second that instructor is inside the radio shack with his looted rifles "ALALALALALALA!" I'd have traded a kidney for a video camera with good optical zoom watching those guys wake up, try to put themselves together to respond and then realize their rifles were gone. Funniest damn thing I've ever seen.

Well we never kept them 24/7in the barracks during Basic/AIT. When we went FTX best have it in your bag with yu while sleeping. When we're not FTX they were kept in the arms room.

We had a "Slicky Boy" in South Korea stole a duffle bag while at MPRC. The idiot kept his M16 in the duffle bag instead of in his bag while sleeping. So sensitive item check in the morning revealed the rifle missing and then 20 min later declared stolen. South Korean Military was not happy and pretty much locked down everything in a five mile radius and literally was ground searching and door to door search looking for the weapon. Found leaning against a tree two miles from AO.

 Frazzled wrote:

*They are accurate.
*Accurate. No its not a Remington 700, but its accurate for an autoloader. Some versions are exceedingly (sub MOA) accurate.
*It don't kick for nothing. This matters for a variety of shooters including da wimminz

I have to +1 this. First time I got to fire an M4 was at the range for my birthday. Never held one before. I loaded the rifle, pulled the charge handle, flipped it off safe and onto semi, peered down the iron sights and my first round went through the right eye of the paper target I was shooting at.

So yes, for a complete novice it is a very user friendly firearm

I've to stick with the M4/AR15. I'm familiar with the weapon. I know what I can do with the weapon. I know how to maintain my weapon. Its proven itself to me in combat. Hence I prefer my M4 over any other. Go with what you know. Granted I would say the same with a AK but with the AK74 if I spent the same amount of time with that rifle. I really wanted to mount a scope on my M1 but that would seriously degrade my weapon since it wasn't design for that. My wife has a 30-06 at her mother house that's old but I'm leaning towards her to purchase a new one. She hunts. Not me. I will cover her back when she goes deer hunting....and she plays 40K to

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
A Tavor is high up on my christmas list for the record.

Tavors are quite popular up here, quite a good gun if you can afford the price tag, they are ALWAYS sold out fast up here, for good reason.

all the goodness of a long barrel, with half the profile, plus its sexy enough to make your AR jealous, but im sure you can fit one more in the bed!

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
A Tavor is high up on my christmas list for the record.

Also I'm sleeping with my AR-15 tonight just to prove a goddamn point. I always felt most comfortable in boot when we were racked out with our rifles, maybe I'm just weird but I liked knowing where rifle was.

As I understand it, the AF gives people rifles in boot now, but when I went through, the only time I touched a real rifle was the day we went to the range. Our FTX, we walked around with plastic replica's. It felt very cheesy.

 djones520 wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
A Tavor is high up on my christmas list for the record.

Also I'm sleeping with my AR-15 tonight just to prove a goddamn point. I always felt most comfortable in boot when we were racked out with our rifles, maybe I'm just weird but I liked knowing where rifle was.

As I understand it, the AF gives people rifles in boot now, but when I went through, the only time I touched a real rifle was the day we went to the range. Our FTX, we walked around with plastic replica's. It felt very cheesy.

Rubber ducks for everyone!

Actually, Glock restricted the sale of their blue training/demo rubber pistols to police only.

 easysauce wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
A Tavor is high up on my christmas list for the record.

Tavors are quite popular up here, quite a good gun if you can afford the price tag, they are ALWAYS sold out fast up here, for good reason.

all the goodness of a long barrel, with half the profile, plus its sexy enough to make your AR jealous, but im sure you can fit one more in the bed!

My Machzur (draft; March 08) was one of the last Nahal drafts to receive the M16-series rifles vs. the Tavor. I'm a little jealous of the n00bs.



Regarding the 2A discussion on, "What do you need an AR15 for?" The amendment is about fighting tyranny. You can't fight tyranny with a limp-dick low capacity magazine.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
You can't fight tyranny with a limp-dick low capacity magazine.

Almost good enough to be in my sig, if only I had more room in it.

 Frazzled wrote:
Bolt actions run the full gambit. Its sounds like you’re looking for inexpensive:
Mossberg something (you’ll see)
Ruger American
Savage something (you’ll see)
These incorporate newer technology to pop up good accuracy. We’re talking $450 or less.

Fun gun:
Agreed go with a .22 semi auto. Fun AND cheap (both the rifle and the ammo). Marlin semi autos are more accurate, but Rugers (as discussed earlier) can be played with. You can get a nice .22 Henry lever action and go to town Clint Eastwood style. In addition or alternatively I’d suggest a nice Ruger/Browning/S&W .22LR pistol wee hA!!!!!

1911: I suggest going to Red’s in Pflugerville. You’ll know where that is once you land in Austin. They have a buttload of pistols you can try.

I do plan on getting a CCW license, so for that I'd definitely go with something smaller, but not a revolver as I just don't care for them.

See above. Also there are several CC compatible pistols now with extended mags to handle full size fun as well.

As an aside IDPA does shooting at Liberty Hill and Austin Rifle Club. USPSA also does ARC. I think Liberty does 3 gun matches as well.

OT but watch out for the neanderthal being walked by several dogs, you future Cedar Chopper. He's packing.

I acn attest to the Marlin accuracy. I have a Model 60 and holy cow, I can shoot like a pro with that thing. Irons I can be a good 25-30 yards away and have groups of an inch-ish free handing it. Then I can put on the scope and Ive actually shot charms suckers from 100 yards away with ease if the wind is being nice. That rifle is nuts. But yea if making it look cool is your thing, the options for a Marlin are pretty slim though it can be done.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
A Tavor is high up on my christmas list for the record.

What about an AUG? How do they compare?

My boy got a marlin model 60 2 years ago for Christmas from buddy. Very nice little rifle. He's a quite a good shot for 9.

Anyone elses state crminal check system go down today?

AUGs are supposed to be good, and are in a similar price range, but I inhereantly trust anything made by the IDF as a weapon. The Israelis know how to make them a kill stick.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
AUGs are supposed to be good, and are in a similar price range, but I inhereantly trust anything made by the IDF as a weapon. The Israelis know how to make them a kill stick.

A Marine friend of mine got to cross-train with the AUG, and he loved it. I haven't had a chance to shoot one yet, but a local gun range has one for rental...I'll get to it eventually.

Also, the AUG is made by Steyr, of Austria. I don't think the IDF ever used/produced one. The bullpup I'm aware the IDF uses is the Tavor and its variants.

Right, he was asking me Tavor compared to AUG, and I'm saying I prefer the Tavor to the AUG.

Ha, missed that. I'll go back in my corner. I'm terrible at multitasking apparently.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
AUGs are supposed to be good, and are in a similar price range, but I inhereantly trust anything made by the IDF as a weapon. The Israelis know how to make them a kill stick.

Yes they do. And they know that if they are putting them into the hands of the IDF that it will be reliable. Sorta kicking myself. I had a chance to fire an AUG A3 last year at the shooting range but my brother-in-law really wanted to fire the P90. The range since sold off a lot of their rifles and concentrated on AR's but kept an M4

I shot a PS90 when I lived in South Carolina. Couple college kids came to the outdoor range with that and a bunch of melons. That 5.7x28 round is mean !

Kalashnichris wrote:
I shot a PS90 when I lived in South Carolina. Couple college kids came to the outdoor range with that and a bunch of melons. That 5.7x28 round is mean !

The P90 is a great firearm to operate, there wasn't a great deal of kick from it on full auto, the optics were decent, and having 50 rounds to burn helps too

Peace thru superior firepower!

Speak softly, and carrying a large automatic stick

Wasnt it something like "walk softly and carry big gun"???

 KingCracker wrote:
Wasnt it something like "walk softly and carry big gun"???

Yeah, but I thought I'd use some artistic license The actual phrase is "speak softly, and carry a big stick."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Stick_ideology/

No go ahead, I just read that and thought "wasnt that said before......somewhere?"

Looks like gun prices are on their way down!

Just picked up a DPMS Oracle that someone panic-bought in April and shot three rounds out of it for $350 OTD. Ill change out the fire control and install a 1x8 barrel, but thats about it.