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t97? Was ist das?

 Seaward wrote:
Yup. I don't like bullpup after hearing how much the Brits hate them, then seeing for myself.

They don't hate bullpups, they hate their rifle (which happens to be a bullpup) because it is a POS. The SA90/L85 is a terrible weapon system that required a full overhaul from H&K to make it serviceable. For good bullpups there are a lot out there;
- AUG
- FN2000
- Tavor
- SAR21
- G11
- FAMAS
- Type 97

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
Yup. I don't like bullpup after hearing how much the Brits hate them, then seeing for myself.

They don't hate bullpups, they hate their rifle (which happens to be a bullpup) because it is a POS. The SA90/L85 is a terrible weapon system that required a full overhaul from H&K to make it serviceable. For good bullpups there are a lot out there;
- AUG
- FN2000
- Tavor
- SAR21
- G11
- FAMAS
- Type 97

Oh, no, a lot of 'em definitely hate bullpups. Reloading's the reason I heard cited the most.

Fair enough then. I've heard from Irish and Australian soldiers who think their AUGs are fantastic. Although given the fact that the SA80's mag release is on the left of the receiver above the magazine, and not just to the fore of the magazine in most other bullpups may explain some of the hatred.

Ive watched/read a lot on the Tavor and it seems to be generally well liked. My wife wants one really bad because she thinks bullpups are the cheese. Not to mention, they are pretty much idiot proof, and completely ambi.

 Frazzled wrote:
t97? Was ist das?

t97, basically the chi com / ruskie version of the bull pup

Yea but I bet it shoots and feels like an $800 rifle. My brother owns an ACR and when I was with him picking it up, I was shocked at how much he was paying for it. I said "Dude, you can buy 2 decently nice ARs for that price"

Then I shot the ACR and said "Fudge that, no AR Ive ever shot feels and shoots that nice"

TBH, i have a 800 AR from the same company that makes the t97, and its jsts as good as a colt/dpms/bushie ect. it runs 500+ rounds between cleanings without breaking a sweat and will run dirty,dry, wet, everything.

I shoot irons in 3 gun, and this thing will hit the A zone at 300m just as well as the more pricey brands.

even the noveskes I have had/shot only perform marginally better at long ranges with the grouping.

I really didnt like the acr or xcr, or even the scar TBH when I tried them.

 easysauce wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
t97? Was ist das?

t97, basically the chi com / ruskie version of the bull pup

Wow that REALLY looks like a toy gun...

FYI it is, thats an airsoft gun version of the t97, dont have a good pic of the real thing on hand due to being at work

oh, sorry. Wait, just looked it up on goggle images. It does look just like that.
http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&biw=1170&bih=752&tbm=isch&tbnid=JPSaHjXDwlZIfM:&imgrefurl=http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Norinco_QB_rifle_series&docid=1l6G285Mx8ZYDM&imgurl=http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/d/dd/QBZ-97-with-Stanag-mag.jpg/500px-QBZ-97-with-Stanag-mag.jpg&w=500&h=196&ei=R99OUp3JKNG7qQHDjYA4&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=2&vpy=184&dur=22042&hovh=140&hovw=359&tx=230&ty=72&page=1&tbnh=111&tbnw=284&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0,i:94

Whats the round it fires?

chambered in 5.56, but fires 223 as well OFC,

to be fair, I think most people pay 1100 for it here, but I am getting the army surplus version with bayonet lug for cheaper as I know a good importer,

lots of canucks buy these and the tavors as you dont need a even specialer gun licence to buy them as you do with AR's, and so far every comparison I have seen between this and the tavor goes along the lines of
"yes the tavor is marginally better aethetically/mag relase/reciprocating bolt wize, but not the extra 2000$ better"

accuracy/reliability wize they are the same according to all the reviews I have seen

Thats cool.

We won't be getting the T97 down here unless the import ban on Norinco is lifted. Makes me a sad panda because I want cheap AK's again...

Yeah, but that extra $2000 buys you a bottle opener too.

 easysauce wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
t97? Was ist das?

t97, basically the chi com / ruskie version of the bull pup

Huh.
Almost looks like a HiPoint 995 carbine with a carry handle.....



Would love me a Tavor though




Mmmmmmmmmmmmm....silencer LOL


Time for me to sell some ARs LOL

 CrashUSAR wrote:
We won't be getting the T97 down here unless the import ban on Norinco is lifted. Makes me a sad panda because I want cheap AK's again...

Yeah, that sucks, cant you guys at least get cz' 858's or vz 58s for cheap "Ak"s like we do up here?

Vz58's go for around $7-800 where I'm at. I just miss the days when I could walk into a gun store with $500, and walk out with an AK, handful of magazines, and a few hundred rounds. I swear, one of these days I'm going to splurge on one that I'll actually keep for more than a few months.

Ive shot a buddies AK several times. I absolutely love those rifles. Just something about em

 KingCracker wrote:
Ive shot a buddies AK several times. I absolutely love those rifles. Just something about em

That "and suicidal novelists" line makes me giggle every time.

 Ouze wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
Ive shot a buddies AK several times. I absolutely love those rifles. Just something about em

Ill be honest, I love that movie. How does he not suck in that movie, but suck in almost all his other attempts?! I dont get it.

 KingCracker wrote:
Ive shot a buddies AK several times. I absolutely love those rifles. Just something about em

I dont. I sell them, and I do see the functional appeal, but they are crude, ugly weapons IMO. Now, with some of the aftermarket stocks, I could see liking them. First thing to go is the stubby grip on the Wasr that Ive seen.

Not that Ive got anything against wood stocks. Sold a Springfield Armory M1 Garand this morning. Heavy, heavy rifle. And the finish on the barrel was crude, but I find it to be a beautiful rifle. Go figure...

I can't stand non-wooden furniture on rifles that were made for it. M-14/M1As and Garands deserve their wooden homes. "Tactical" lever action rifles are a cardinal sin.

Example A:


Example A, B and C:

Depends on the weapon. Id change a few things on an AK, thats because personally although I love the rifle, its a smidge uncomfortable, so stock and grip. But If/when I buy a Mosin, Id keep that sucker as bone stock tradition as possible. Many other examples as well, but that could be a whole discussion unto itself

Reading up on the Tavor, people are really complaining about the trigger. You'd think they'd have addressed that by now. Guess I'll wait for someone to develop an aftermarket trigger replacement.

Nope, dont listen to that. And heres why






Pretty damn simple trigger job and lightens the pull by a few pounds apparently. Seems simple to me anyways

Well, that seals it. I'm saving up for a Tavor as next year's birthday present to myself.

You deserve it My oldest brother wants one really bad, as does the wife. Im seeing one in my shooting group in the near future one way or the other

Well they're like $2,000. That kind of limits how much you're actually going to see them.