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I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.

My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)

What would you do in this situation with the options given?

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Musashi363 wrote:
If you wanted a gun, why didn't you just go to the Isle of Mann?

Because my wife is American

What state do you reside in? Federally, you can as a resident alien complete a form 4473. Depending on the state you live in, you can purchase a firearm.

 Spacemanvic wrote:
What state do you reside in? Federally, you can as a resident alien complete a form 4473. Depending on the state you live in, you can purchase a firearm.

Indiana

 SickSix wrote:
I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.

My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)

What would you do in this situation with the options given?

Depends. At what range do you expect to employ the M1 and what size target?

 SickSix wrote:
I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.

My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)

What would you do in this situation with the options given?

It is a crime against humanity to not outfit an M1 with the most expensive scope you can afford. Thats a real rifle not some Mattel toy


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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:
What state do you reside in? Federally, you can as a resident alien complete a form 4473. Depending on the state you live in, you can purchase a firearm.

Indiana

Have her buy it. Do you trust her? Do you know how to be extremely polite?

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:
What state do you reside in? Federally, you can as a resident alien complete a form 4473. Depending on the state you live in, you can purchase a firearm.

Indiana

UNLESS the laws of Indiana have changed, AND you have NOT been disqualified because of a criminal record or adjudication of mental illness, and you area legal resident alien, you can get one.

Check with a local gun shop or sheriff's office first to be sure.



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 Frazzled wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.

My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)

What would you do in this situation with the options given?

It is a crime against humanity to not outfit an M1 with the most expensive scope you can afford. Thats a real rifle not some Mattel toy


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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:
What state do you reside in? Federally, you can as a resident alien complete a form 4473. Depending on the state you live in, you can purchase a firearm.

Indiana

Have her buy it. Do you trust her? Do you know how to be extremely polite?

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!


That is a straw purchase and HIGHLY illegal leading to federal prison time!!!

 Spacemanvic wrote:
UNLESS the laws of Indiana have changed, AND you have NOT been disqualified because of a criminal record or adjudication of mental illness, and you area legal resident alien, you can get one.

Check with a local gun shop or sheriff's office first to be sure.

If I had a criminal record or mental illness it's not likely I would have been allowed entry to the country My only run in with the law has been the light over the license plate being out. Thank you for the info

 Spacemanvic wrote:
NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!


That is a straw purchase and HIGHLY illegal leading to federal prison time!!!

And that sort of negates my reason for moving to the US too

That is a straw purchase and HIGHLY illegal leading to federal prison time!!!

It is in no way a straw purchase. She buys it, he uses it. Its still her property. No different then me letting someone else use one of my pistols at the range. Thats why I asked if he trusts her, as she could then blow him away anytime she was displeased.
Thats what my wife tells me anyway.

 Frazzled wrote:
It is in no way a straw purchase. She buys it, he uses it. Its still her property. No different then me letting someone else use one of my pistols at the range. Thats why I asked if he trusts her, as she could then blow him away anytime she was displeased.
Thats what my wife tells me anyway.

I trust her, else I wouldn't have moved here The only injury to date has been when she was fooling around to show me what she learned in her work provided self defense class

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.

My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)

What would you do in this situation with the options given?

Depends. At what range do you expect to employ the M1 and what size target?

Well the, intent doesn't really match up with practical use. As I think the longest legally available range is only 400 yards. As far as use I have heard of a 'Heavy Metal' class for 3 gun style competitions. But I can't imagen the range being very far on those.

I think, practically speaking I would get better use out of the smaller scope. The public range is only 100 yards, the private range I plan on joining has a 200 and will be bulking a 400 yard range in the future.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
It is in no way a straw purchase. She buys it, he uses it. Its still her property. No different then me letting someone else use one of my pistols at the range. Thats why I asked if he trusts her, as she could then blow him away anytime she was displeased.
Thats what my wife tells me anyway.

I trust her, else I wouldn't have moved here The only injury to date has been when she was fooling around to show me what she learned in her work provided self defense class

Was this before or after you ticked her off?

Note mom ran dad over twice in one day...on accident.

 Frazzled wrote:
Was this before or after you ticked her off?

Note mom ran dad over twice in one day...on accident.

There was no ticking off at all She was just showing me something or other, then whomp right in the family jewels

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Was this before or after you ticked her off?

Note mom ran dad over twice in one day...on accident.

There was no ticking off at all She was just showing me something or other, then whomp right in the family jewels

Clearly you must have failed to wash the dishes or something just prior to this "accident" and your brain is just trying to block the whole sad thing out....

 SickSix wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.

My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)

What would you do in this situation with the options given?

Depends. At what range do you expect to employ the M1 and what size target?

Well the, intent doesn't really match up with practical use. As I think the longest legally available range is only 400 yards. As far as use I have heard of a 'Heavy Metal' class for 3 gun style competitions. But I can't imagen the range being very far on those.

I think, practically speaking I would get better use out of the smaller scope. The public range is only 100 yards, the private range I plan on joining has a 200 and will be bulking a 400 yard range in the future.

In that case, I'd say your right: go with the 1.5-5x. "overkill" otherwise, but that is up to you. The higher power would make sense if you were shooting long distances in open terrain against large targets, like deer etc. For just paper poking, Id go with the lease expensive glass.

Thats just communism! Every God fearing American knows if you don't scope that M1 with something big enough to detect incoming asteroids, you're just falling for the commie line.

Hey in my defense I have gigantic scopes for my little .22s. I need 'em...

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats just communism! Every God fearing American knows if you don't scope that M1 with something big enough to detect incoming asteroids, you're just falling for the commie line.

Hey in my defense I have gigantic scopes for my little .22s. I need 'em...

Thankfully, I still have the ability to use red dots....

pfft....

real men shoot past 1 click with irons anyways...

scopes are the steroids of the gun world

Pff, sights? What kind of a scrub needs those? My old man filed his .22's sights off and killed bears from 3 miles away with his eyes closed.

I have an RMR on a Glock 17 that I may well marry due to how much I love it.

Enjoy those iron sights, you cave people.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Pff, sights? What kind of a scrub needs those? My old man filed his .22's sights off and killed bears from 3 miles away with his eyes closed.

Pfft...I did the same with the afterburn of ready bad enchiladas. Frazzled, the first WMD!

 Seaward wrote:
I have an RMR on a Glock 17 that I may well marry due to how much I love it.

Enjoy those iron sights, you cave people.

Typical pilot, can't tie his own boots without help from an enlisted man or an electronic display.

On the subject of scopes I'm actually being an idiot and thinking about getting about a 1x-3x job for my .45-70 Mauser conversion. You'd never shoot that thing past 150 yards (unless you set it up in an artillery rest and dial in 40+ degrees of elevation...), but the old school iron sights just aren't quite cutting it.

Be a man, make it a mini howitzer. That's way more manly then glass.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
I have an RMR on a Glock 17 that I may well marry due to how much I love it.

Enjoy those iron sights, you cave people.

Typical pilot, can't tie his own boots without help from an enlisted man or an electronic display.

Exalted!

I somewhat agree about the manliness of Iron sights. The ridiculous size of the scopes being put on AR's baffles me. I guess I'm one of those guys that thinks a hammer should stay a hammer and a scalpel a scalpel.

My goal this year is to improve my M16 qualification score to 40/40 with iron sights. Last year two got away from me.

Agreed with the above. My brother just has a reflex sight on his ACR and I tell you, we can tag steel from a few hundred yards out with ease, so anything further wouldnt be much harder (with in reason obviously) An AR is meant to be a mid range weapon anyways

500m is mid-range?

500 is the max they train us with, that little lady can reach out and touch someone at a max range of 800m in the M16A4 configuration. I wouldn't try it myself, but honestly anything outside of 300 is the modern mid range, that's why the AK is the king of battle, that rifle is a monster inside of 200m (300 if you actually use your sights) and most modern combat engagements are well within spit wad range.

 Breotan wrote:
500m is mid-range?

Indeed it is.


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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
500 is the max they train us with, that little lady can reach out and touch someone at a max range of 800m in the M16A4 configuration. I wouldn't try it myself, but honestly anything outside of 300 is the modern mid range, that's why the AK is the king of battle, that rifle is a monster inside of 200m (300 if you actually use your sights) and most modern combat engagements are well within spit wad range.

All to modern warfare being in urban spralls

Combat in the last few decades has RARELY exceeded an engagement range of 300m, we have had some issues with that in Afghanistan's mountains (well, the Army, not the Corps, we still carry proper rifles) where the M4 carbine literally did not have the "reach" to "reach out and touch someone" as required.

The M4 is a CQB platform. I wish I had had one in Baghdad in '03.

What I don't get is why the M16A4 doesn't have a collapsible buttstock. That would be the thing to have in the mountains. Long barrel bit can collapse the stock when mounted or in CQB to save some room. IMHO.

And the army doesn't even train soldiers to shoot beyond 300 meters. They need to fix that.