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I like a fixed stock personally, don't you take my murder club away from me!

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I like a fixed stock personally, don't you take my murder club away from me!

Not on a 16" AR barrel! Kinda defeats the purpose of the carbine.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I like a fixed stock personally, don't you take my murder club away from me!

That's what bayonets are for... you're not supposed to bring a knife to a gun fight, but if the knife is duct taped to the gun that makes it 100% alright.

the fixed stock will break with one good butt stroke anyways.

(waits for inevitable butt stroke joke)



past 500m with a m4gery or m16 is kinda iffy... I can hit IDPA targets at 500 with irons pretty easy, but those are not exactly small targets... far cry from hitting the A zone easily at 300m, very apparent what ranges the rifle was designed for, hold overs start getting pretty rediculous past 400m or so to since im 0'd for 200 usually

 easysauce wrote:
the fixed stock will break with one good butt stroke anyways.

(waits for inevitable butt stroke joke)



past 500m with a m4gery or m16 is kinda iffy... I can hit IDPA targets at 500 with irons pretty easy, but those are not exactly small targets... far cry from hitting the A zone easily at 300m, very apparent what ranges the rifle was designed for, hold overs start getting pretty rediculous past 400m or so to since im 0'd for 200 usually

Using what? A 77gr bullet?

 easysauce wrote:
the fixed stock will break with one good butt stroke anyways.

(waits for inevitable butt stroke joke)



past 500m with a m4gery or m16 is kinda iffy... I can hit IDPA targets at 500 with irons pretty easy, but those are not exactly small targets... far cry from hitting the A zone easily at 300m, very apparent what ranges the rifle was designed for, hold overs start getting pretty rediculous past 400m or so to since im 0'd for 200 usually

Whats an IDPA rifle target easy sauce? Linkey?

 Frazzled wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
the fixed stock will break with one good butt stroke anyways.

(waits for inevitable butt stroke joke)



past 500m with a m4gery or m16 is kinda iffy... I can hit IDPA targets at 500 with irons pretty easy, but those are not exactly small targets... far cry from hitting the A zone easily at 300m, very apparent what ranges the rifle was designed for, hold overs start getting pretty rediculous past 400m or so to since im 0'd for 200 usually

Whats an IDPA rifle target easy sauce? Linkey?

They are typically humanish torso shaped for 3 gun:



http://necpl.com/images/pdf/IDPA%20Scoring%20for%20Dummies.pdf

Oh ok, same target then. I had not heard of IDPA rifle shoots.

I'm trying to get into the local IDPA shotgun match once the Mossberg fairie pays me a visit over Christmas. (GC already wants to get it early and shoot the pumpkins after Halloween - thats my girl!)

 Frazzled wrote:
Oh ok, same target then. I had not heard of IDPA rifle shoots.

I'm trying to get into the local IDPA shotgun match once the Mossberg fairie pays me a visit over Christmas. (GC already wants to get it early and shoot the pumpkins after Halloween - thats my girl!)

If you can find them, the better -than Remington 870 clone H&R Pardner Pump is a very low-cost serviceable weapon:
http://www.gunsumerreports.com/review_h&r_pardner_pump_protector_p1.php

Mmm good review. A friend has an H&R (not sure which) and liked it. Turkish made Winchester defenders and Mossberg Mavericks also have good reps.

This is what I am thinking about. The 500 combo field/HD gun
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Mossberg-Tactical-Shotguns/728566.uts?WTz_l=SBC%3BBRprd709956%3Bcat105537780%3BMCcat104803380

This way I can shoot clays with it too and practice with most everything the same except the sights and the weight balance. PLus I have an 870 Wingmaster thats longer than a bus and shooting clays is way fun.

But if I have yet another accident or such then yes - the H&R/Defender/Maverick type is a definite possibility and I would have no regrets. By the way, its at Academy for $200. Thats awfully tempting actually.

the idpa target is the one pictured above, thanks for that, its pretty big, so not too hard to hit at 500m or so if I do my part with the hold overs

I normally use 55grn bullets, even at 300m +... not cause they are the best for long range, but because thats what I have crates of... and I cant really swap weights mid course for close/far targets

helps to have been shooting for 14+ years as well, but you gotta get the wind sighting and breathing just right, know your hold overs, and do it fast as possible OBS if in a match, but it will get hit...

now if I could hit the A zone consistantly with irons at 500m that would be nice

No that would be awesome. You must have some bitching eyesight.

being young and having better then 20-20 vision definetly helps

Yea, without the glasses I'm legally vision impaired, so I'm just in awe at this point.

OT but I have prescription wraparound sports glasses which are nearly goggles when tightened (I have them on a strap). Its the closest I get to normal vision and when its breezy I'll catch myself just standing and staring at trees floating in the breeze...

So Ruger is coming out with a .308 AR rifle. It might be the fan boi in me, but it looks really nice

So they just opened a new range and shop literally two minutes from my house. I went today and it is glorious. Put my last round with my .40 in about 3" grouping from 10 yards. Was pretty pleased with myself.

I wouldn't consider you a "fan boi" - Ruger has been making great firearms for years. I know two people with Mini 14's, and they love them. I'd be excited to shoot a .308 Ruger like that.

Im pretty sure Im a Ruger Fanboi, and Im totally OK with that. Simply because for once, theres a good reason for the fanboism. They make frigging rock solid firearms and they are typically cheaper then their competition

 mega_bassist wrote:
I wouldn't consider you a "fan boi" - Ruger has been making great firearms for years. I know two people with Mini 14's, and they love them. I'd be excited to shoot a .308 Ruger like that.

Ruger makes the best .22 pistols ever, IMO, they know their stuff.

and I really like that take on the AR-10 platform, and I already like ar-10's...


oh the things I would buy if $ was no object

 easysauce wrote:

 mega_bassist wrote:
I wouldn't consider you a "fan boi" - Ruger has been making great firearms for years. I know two people with Mini 14's, and they love them. I'd be excited to shoot a .308 Ruger like that.

Ruger makes the best .22 pistols ever, IMO, they know their stuff.

and I really like that take on the AR-10 platform, and I already like ar-10's...


oh the things I would buy if $ was no object

They are good and bad.
Their takedown is utter bullocks. There is a whole aftermarket set of parts to get to make the takedown bearable.
My target one was the most accurate thing I ever owned, with a sweet trigger. Something would break every five thousand rounds. Finally it just sort of broke up internally and with a cracked frame and internals messed up. But that was after about 50,000 rounds.

Are 22/45 is ok. Moderately accurate. Trigger is meh and the sights slide around, even after tightening and locktite.

Our two Browning Campers are quite good. But you have to remember to tighten down the top piece every 75-100 rounds.

The one I liked best was a Beretta Neo. To dissassemble it, you just turned a screw adn the whoile assembly came off. Plus the magazine release was at the front of the trigger on the right side. Its perfect. Of course the sight on that messed up and the internals messed up despite repeated trips back to Beretta.

 Frazzled wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

 mega_bassist wrote:
I wouldn't consider you a "fan boi" - Ruger has been making great firearms for years. I know two people with Mini 14's, and they love them. I'd be excited to shoot a .308 Ruger like that.

Ruger makes the best .22 pistols ever, IMO, they know their stuff.

and I really like that take on the AR-10 platform, and I already like ar-10's...


oh the things I would buy if $ was no object

They are good and bad.
Their takedown is utter bullocks. There is a whole aftermarket set of parts to get to make the takedown bearable.
My target one was the most accurate thing I ever owned, with a sweet trigger. Something would break every five thousand rounds. Finally it just sort of broke up internally and with a cracked frame and internals messed up. But that was after about 50,000 rounds.

Are 22/45 is ok. Moderately accurate. Trigger is meh and the sights slide around, even after tightening and locktite.

Our two Browning Campers are quite good. But you have to remember to tighten down the top piece every 75-100 rounds.

The one I liked best was a Beretta Neo. To dissassemble it, you just turned a screw adn the whoile assembly came off. Plus the magazine release was at the front of the trigger on the right side. Its perfect. Of course the sight on that messed up and the internals messed up despite repeated trips back to Beretta.

Dunno. My daughters MkIII 22/45 target is a tack driver. Trigger is crisp, overall alot of fun. Take down and rebuild leave alot to be desired though.

This video give an excellent tutorial on a quick takedown of the MkIII. Makes cleaning a breeze:

Thats still not a breeze when the competition can take theirs down by turning a screw. I'll note one of the aftermarket trinkets replaces that vertical bolt piece (whatever it was called) with a two part piece. The top you unscrew with an allen wrench like a browning and viola, out comes the bolt.

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats still not a breeze when the competition can take theirs down by turning a screw. I'll note one of the aftermarket trinkets replaces that vertical bolt piece (whatever it was called) with a two part piece. The top you unscrew with an allen wrench like a browning and viola, out comes the bolt.

I dont need a tool to take down the MKIII or my 1911 or my ARs. That to me makes i relatively easier than hunting down a screwdriver.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats still not a breeze when the competition can take theirs down by turning a screw. I'll note one of the aftermarket trinkets replaces that vertical bolt piece (whatever it was called) with a two part piece. The top you unscrew with an allen wrench like a browning and viola, out comes the bolt.

I dont need a tool to take down the MKIII or my 1911 or my ARs. That to me makes i relatively easier than hunting down a screwdriver.

I need a screw driver for my M1
I need a paper clip for my 1911
I need a mallet, flathead screw driver, and hammer for my MKII and 22/45. Ok make that the 22/45 only. The MK11 would fall into little bits if I tried to dissassemble it.
I need an allen wrench for my Browning.


On the other hand I don't need anything for my shotgun, S&Ws, or Berettas.

I have to say S&W has it as far as take down goes. My brothers m&p comes apart so easily it shocked me the first time.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats still not a breeze when the competition can take theirs down by turning a screw. I'll note one of the aftermarket trinkets replaces that vertical bolt piece (whatever it was called) with a two part piece. The top you unscrew with an allen wrench like a browning and viola, out comes the bolt.

I dont need a tool to take down the MKIII or my 1911 or my ARs. That to me makes i relatively easier than hunting down a screwdriver.

I need a screw driver for my M1
I need a paper clip for my 1911
I need a mallet, flathead screw driver, and hammer for my MKII and 22/45. Ok make that the 22/45 only. The MK11 would fall into little bits if I tried to dissassemble it.
I need an allen wrench for my Browning.


On the other hand I don't need anything for my shotgun, S&Ws, or Berettas.

You need to shoot the MKII and 22/45 more often if you need a mallet to take her apart LOL. I did polish the lower receiver as well as the barrel nut in order for the two to mate better.

A paper clip for the 1911? Is it commander size?

The only tool I've ever needed for my 1911 is a pen, to push in the spring plug. I too would like to know where the paper clip enters the picture; perhaps some arcana I have not yet discovered.

 Ouze wrote:
The only tool I've ever needed for my 1911 is a pen, to push in the spring plug. I too would like to know where the paper clip enters the picture; perhaps some arcana I have not yet discovered.

I could see the paper clip being used to remove the slide release which is a bit of a pain in the arse.

I've not needed any tool but my hands to dismantle my 1911.

The paper clip is for peeling back the duct tape that holds the Mag in place.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I could see the paper clip being used to remove the slide release which is a bit of a pain in the arse.

Yeah I think that was the first thing I replaced. The stock one is just too small IMO.