W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (updated nov. 8)

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**Senden**

Apologist wrote:
Is that a rumour, or wishlisting?

If Rough Riders do make it in (and I hope they do), I wouldn't be surprised to see them be substantially reworked, with the models something like the front cover of Apocalypse. These share design touches with Atillans (furry hats etc), but wouldn't look out of place alongside Vostroyans, Cadians and the like.

Wishlisting.

Also can we get rough riders on motorcycles?

**Sir Arun**

If you've seen the Forgeworld DkoK Rough Rider models, you know those are the only kinds of horses you will see in a 40k setting.

**WonderAliceLand**

Wow, if this is right, my army is nerfed. I rely on cheap vendettas and meltavet spam.... now I lose a meltagun and my vendetta's double in price. Not a happy camper if this are true, but I cant say I didn't see it coming with the vendetta, just dont understand why they are nerfing the vets...

**happygolucky**

Ryan_A wrote:
Wow, if this is right, my army is nerfed. I rely on cheap vendettas and meltavet spam.... now I lose a meltagun and my vendetta's double in price. Not a happy camper if this are true, but I cant say I didn't see it coming with the vendetta, just dont understand why they are nerfing the vets...

I wouldn't sweat over it

other armies got changes as well, such as for Tau, broadside Str 10 spam was changed, I would take it as rather a challenge than a nerf, as when it comes out I know I will be experimenting with Guard see what fits with what.

Either way I think it will be a good release still whatever they do now

**ultimentra**

I don't think GW would want to nerf into oblivion one of their more popular armies.

**Brother SRM**

ultimentra wrote:
I don't think GW would want to nerf into oblivion one of their more popular armies.

Every 6th ed codex has been at least decent for when it came out, even if every build hasn't been perfect. Also, don't forget, before the current IG book, they weren't exactly a powerful army. I think IG will be fine, even if the viable builds may change, which is par for the course.

**Kanluwen**

As long as Vendettas get nerfed into nonexistence and Vultures get added in, I'd be a happy Guardsman.

**Brother SRM**

Then you'll probably be a pretty sad Guardsman, since that's very, very specific

**Kanluwen**

Well to be fair, I just hate Vendettas. They were shoehorned in and annoy me to no end.

The Vendetta is proof that Cruddace is worse than Ward, in my mind.

**notprop**

I've never used a vendetta or vets.

I have to gets some if I want to be different if this is true!

I think in safe with my Sentinwall though.

**1hadhq**

Plastic Stormtroopers?
If I can afford them ....maybe.

Still waiting for the self-proppelled artillery and other Tanks we are missing.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Brother SRM wrote:
Every 6th ed codex has been at least decent for when it came out

Are Adepta Sororitas counted as a 6th codex ?

**Brother SRM**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:
Every 6th ed codex has been at least decent for when it came out

Are Adepta Sororitas counted as a 6th codex ?

I would say not, since it's just a 5th ed semi-codex with some extra details thrown in to modernize it. I'm talking hardback book releases with new plastic kits and the like.

**KommissarKiln**

I won't mind the impending hit to the vendetta. Maybe it'll get only a small point increase but have only a single TL Lascannon instead of valkyrie's ML (seeing as it's also popular for its low cost)? Will any tanks get point changes that you know of or are predicting? LRBT variants or the HH family?

But I'd hate for vets to lose their 3rd special weapon slot. If vets only get 2, storm troopers had better get 3.

Also, I still want sentinels to have CCW automatic or purchasable because otherwise the chainsaw bit is solely decorative.

**Sir Arun**

So is the Vendetta or the Crimson Hunter or the Stormraven the king of anti-air flyers?

Vendetta has the 3 TL-S9 AP2 Lascannons at BS3

Crimson Hunter has 2 S8 AP2 lance + 2 S8 AP3 weapons at BS4 or BS5

Stormraven has 1 TL-MM, 1TL-Las and upto 2 (out of 6) S8 AP1 one-shot missiles at BS4 per turn

**SonicPara**

Sir Arun wrote:
So is the Vendetta or the Crimson Hunter or the Stormraven the king of anti-air flyers?

Vendetta has the 3 TL-S9 AP2 Lascannons at BS3

Crimson Hunter has 2 S8 AP2 lance + 2 S8 AP3 weapons at BS4 or BS5

Stormraven has 1 TL-MM, 1TL-Las and upto 2 (out of 6) S8 AP1 one-shot missiles at BS4 per turn

Considering the Crimson Hunter's Pulse Laser can TL the Bright Lances and it can reroll any failed penetration rolls through Skyhunter, I would say the Crimson Hunter is the king of anti-air alpha strike. When it comes to shooting second, it falls apart due to light armor.

**Sir Arun**

pulse laser doesnt have laser lock. Youre confusing it with the scatter laser. But you got a valid point with Skyhunter. And the Crimson Hunter also has a 16.66% chance of making precision shots if you purchase the BS5 Exarch.

**Perfect Organism**

Precision shots aren't much use for air-to-air, but I'd say the Crimson Hunter does have a massive advantage in that it's the only one with Vector Dancer. Doesn't matter how many guns you have if you can't point them at the enemy.

**gmaleron**

I only am concerned if they add the doctrines in or not, and one of them being either an "Elysian" or "Harakoni Warhawk" one where it would allow you to create an Airborne themed army. I am hoping for Valkyries as dedicated Transports with deep striking Infantry Squads for that doctrine, because if they don't then I will probably be selling my Elysians as Forgeworld is banned at my store and people don't want to play me in friendly games very often because of all the flyers.

**sphynx**

10 man weapon teams don't make a whole deal of sense to me.

**portugus**

Some of the main weakness with heavy weapon teams was that they lose one dude they can run off the board. They can't take a vox for orders. They cost a lot for a single str 6 weapon to run them off the board. So that is a possible way to have people actually use them in game. (I don't think it'll really happen but we'll see)

**Sir Arun**

On some youtube batreps I saw parked chimeras with a HW team base on top of it. Does it mean they can board it and fire out of its fire points?

**HoverBoy**

Yea but they take a turn to climb on there reducing them to snapshots.

**portugus**

Most likely it was a veteran squad with a heavy weapon. Yes a chimera would help keep them alive. But then at that points cost certain people will just start saying to get a vendetta..

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

gmaleron wrote:
I will probably be selling my Elysians as Forgeworld is banned at my store and people don't want to play me in friendly games very often because of all the flyers.

Well, don't sell them : next edition will certainly nerf what was powerful in 6th (i.e. flyers), and people will happily play against your nerfed army.

**portugus**

Yes, I concur. Never just sell your army, wait until the next edition (big change) or until you get an amazing offer :p You never know what the new codex will bring. Maybe vendettas will only be able to shoot every other turn or automatically die on turn 3 due to lack of fuel or something giving your opponent a victory point even in objective games. People would be begging to play you then :p

**Sir Arun**

So any new rumors on IG? Will they be coming Q1 2014 or later?

**GorillaWarfare**

I like the idea of 5-10 man vet squads, with a choice of heavy weapon and special weapon per 5 men.

Being able to take 2 heavy weapon will make them more viable for a fire support role. I don't mind the lose of a special weapon, I always thought 3 was a bit much.

**Sarge**

I'll miss my triple melta vet squads, assuming any of that comes true. I liked the fact that the vet squads could dish out a ton of hurt since they certainly couldn't take much hurting in return.

**portugus**

@GorillaWarfare - That would be neat to have a Harker squad with say 1 heavy bolter and 2 lascannons with how ever many plasma guns. :p

or 3 heavy bolters and snipers