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 Psienesis wrote:




... and while a Dread might not believe in doorways, hardened ferrocrete certainly isn't something it can easily kool-aid through, let alone armored adamantium or any of the other space-metals in the setting. You know what else stops a Dread dead in its tracks? A freaking flight of stairs.

That's what the dreadnoughts with jump packs are for.

Forget descent of angels, if this becomes a thing it should be called "Rain of bricks."

Contemptors notwithstanding.

Could have different classes of dreadnought. Lil babby dreadnoughts, mid teen dreadnoughts and all sorts. And of course if GW wont do it, make your own mega dreadnought to be your much needed MC!

 mixer86 wrote:
Love the idea of a pure dread army but you can basically do it already with BA, who can get dreads in troops, elite and heavy.

As has been said, fluff would be more believable if it was a full company rather than a chapter, but that would still be plenty.

That being said you could look at something like this perhaps:

HQ
Chaplain Dred
Libby Dred

Elite
Ven Dreds
Contemptor Dreds

Troop
Death Company Dreds
Vanilla Dreds

Fast Attack
This is the tricky slot. Jump pack Dreds are frankly outrageous, although BA libby dred can effectively have it if they take the Wings of Sanguinius psychic power. Personally i would consider this the place for possibly a Storm Raven variant that can carry 2 Dreds. points cost increase required but seeing as we are trying to find a workable option. Yes you could just use pods but ravens allow you to assault from it.

Heavy
Iron Clad Dreds

I could do with another Heavy Suport (hello Broadside Dread) and also a Captain & Chap Master equivalent.. Stats/Weapons??


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 Kain wrote:
Forget descent of angels, if this becomes a thing it should be called "Rain of bricks."

Contemptors notwithstanding.

Rain of I'm Going To Smush You

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 mixer86 wrote:
Love the idea of a pure dread army but you can basically do it already with BA, who can get dreads in troops, elite and heavy.

As has been said, fluff would be more believable if it was a full company rather than a chapter, but that would still be plenty.

That being said you could look at something like this perhaps:

HQ
Chaplain Dred
Libby Dred

Elite
Ven Dreds
Contemptor Dreds

Troop
Death Company Dreds
Vanilla Dreds

Fast Attack
This is the tricky slot. Jump pack Dreds are frankly outrageous, although BA libby dred can effectively have it if they take the Wings of Sanguinius psychic power. Personally i would consider this the place for possibly a Storm Raven variant that can carry 2 Dreds. points cost increase required but seeing as we are trying to find a workable option. Yes you could just use pods but ravens allow you to assault from it.

Heavy
Iron Clad Dreds

I could do with another Heavy Suport (hello Broadside Dread) and also a Captain & Chap Master equivalent.. Stats/Weapons??


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 Kain wrote:
Forget descent of angels, if this becomes a thing it should be called "Rain of bricks."

Contemptors notwithstanding.

Rain of I'm Going To Smush You

I'd use Mortis dreads for Broadside equivalents.

 Kain wrote:
Forget descent of angels, if this becomes a thing it should be called "Rain of bricks."

Contemptors notwithstanding.

And it'll be a successor chapter to Blood Angels, as they are already one of the craziest armies fluff-wise in the game. Say what you want about Ultramarines, at least they didn't get 950 Space Marines killed on a single mission. Well, there was the Battle for Macragge but that was defending the Imperium, successfully. The Blood Angels just don't understand the concept of rending > power armor.

 Kain wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 mixer86 wrote:
Love the idea of a pure dread army but you can basically do it already with BA, who can get dreads in troops, elite and heavy.

As has been said, fluff would be more believable if it was a full company rather than a chapter, but that would still be plenty.

That being said you could look at something like this perhaps:

HQ
Chaplain Dred
Libby Dred

Elite
Ven Dreds
Contemptor Dreds

Troop
Death Company Dreds
Vanilla Dreds

Fast Attack
This is the tricky slot. Jump pack Dreds are frankly outrageous, although BA libby dred can effectively have it if they take the Wings of Sanguinius psychic power. Personally i would consider this the place for possibly a Storm Raven variant that can carry 2 Dreds. points cost increase required but seeing as we are trying to find a workable option. Yes you could just use pods but ravens allow you to assault from it.

Heavy
Iron Clad Dreds

I could do with another Heavy Suport (hello Broadside Dread) and also a Captain & Chap Master equivalent.. Stats/Weapons??


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 Kain wrote:
Forget descent of angels, if this becomes a thing it should be called "Rain of bricks."

Contemptors notwithstanding.

Rain of I'm Going To Smush You

I'd use Mortis dreads for Broadside equivalents.

True dat. Good call
Also, how about super-fast CCW dreads (Fast Attack)?
Nothing I say is final xD Many of my ideas will be ridiculous. Just brainstorming ^_^

 darthnatus wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Forget descent of angels, if this becomes a thing it should be called "Rain of bricks."

Contemptors notwithstanding.

And it'll be a successor chapter to Blood Angels, as they are already one of the craziest armies fluff-wise in the game. Say what you want about Ultramarines, at least they didn't get 950 Space Marines killed on a single mission. Well, there was the Battle for Macragge but that was defending the Imperium, successfully. The Blood Angels just don't understand the concept of rending > power armor.

Brickwing Space hulk assault.

Because man feth Genestealers and corridors.


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 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 mixer86 wrote:
Love the idea of a pure dread army but you can basically do it already with BA, who can get dreads in troops, elite and heavy.

As has been said, fluff would be more believable if it was a full company rather than a chapter, but that would still be plenty.

That being said you could look at something like this perhaps:

HQ
Chaplain Dred
Libby Dred

Elite
Ven Dreds
Contemptor Dreds

Troop
Death Company Dreds
Vanilla Dreds

Fast Attack
This is the tricky slot. Jump pack Dreds are frankly outrageous, although BA libby dred can effectively have it if they take the Wings of Sanguinius psychic power. Personally i would consider this the place for possibly a Storm Raven variant that can carry 2 Dreds. points cost increase required but seeing as we are trying to find a workable option. Yes you could just use pods but ravens allow you to assault from it.

Heavy
Iron Clad Dreds

I could do with another Heavy Suport (hello Broadside Dread) and also a Captain & Chap Master equivalent.. Stats/Weapons??


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 Kain wrote:
Forget descent of angels, if this becomes a thing it should be called "Rain of bricks."

Contemptors notwithstanding.

Rain of I'm Going To Smush You

I'd use Mortis dreads for Broadside equivalents.

True dat. Good call
Also, how about super-fast CCW dreads (Fast Attack)?
Nothing I say is final xD Many of my ideas will be ridiculous. Just brainstorming ^_^

Contemptors have fleet I believe.

... would be equivalent of whatever chassis of Dread he's interred in. He might mount a multi-melta instead of twin-linked lascannons... but the thing with a Dread CM, as opposed to a living CM, is that it becomes all about the Dread's tactical mind, rather than his physical combat prowess, because his body is all but destroyed. He's dependent on the Dread chassis to do everything.

Mixer86's idea is pretty solid... and, tbh, I would use a counts-as Bjorn for your CM.

I was thinking along the lines of Lamenters brothers? xD Only a cataclysm on a proportion as epic as this could happen to a Chapter messing about with the Lamenters..

Well you could also add contemptors to heavy instead of elite and add furioso dreds to elite.

So what would the CMs use for Dreads? Contemptors maybe? Or would it be default Venerable with upgrades to different suits?

 darthnatus wrote:
So what would the CMs use for Dreads? Contemptors maybe? Or would it be default Venerable with upgrades to different suits?

I imagine they'd use Relic Contemptors, with the different upgrades

i would say for a CM a ven dred with front armour 13?

god knows how you could point cost him fairly though.

 mixer86 wrote:
i would say for a CM a ven dred with front armour 13?

god knows how you could point cost him fairly though.

You could use Hekaton the venerable contemptor dread as a base.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 darthnatus wrote:
So what would the CMs use for Dreads? Contemptors maybe? Or would it be default Venerable with upgrades to different suits?

I imagine they'd use Relic Contemptors, with the different upgrades

So what's the point value of Contemptors? And what would be added to that for a CM in a Contemptor? 100 more added on sounds about right for extra Ld and abilities.

 mixer86 wrote:
i would say for a CM a ven dred with front armour 13?

god knows how you could point cost him fairly though.

He would be a few hundred points methinks xD (I imagine this army to be for Apocalypse, I doubt they'd field anything related to a Chapter of Dreadnoughts under any other circumstances)

Also he's essentially a small-but-tall Land Raider, so about that would be fine? Maybe 50-60pts more due to anything else I give him, considering lack of transport capacity and assault cannon etc.


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 darthnatus wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 darthnatus wrote:
So what would the CMs use for Dreads? Contemptors maybe? Or would it be default Venerable with upgrades to different suits?

I imagine they'd use Relic Contemptors, with the different upgrades

So what's the point value of Contemptors? And what would be added to that for a CM in a Contemptor? 100 more added on sounds about right for extra Ld and abilities.

Dreads don't have LD because THEY'RE COMPLETE BADASSES

Quite.

I would say something like 200 points base + wargear

 mixer86 wrote:
Quite.

I would say something like 200 points base + wargear

Any special wargear/items? I was thinking something along the lines of a few relics or something.. Or a Storm Shield for a Dread (though this will cost like, 50/60 pts??)

 mixer86 wrote:
Quite.

I would say something like 200 points base + wargear

If that's only 200+ pts then the Swarmlord needs a point drop.

EDIT: Unless of course that's 200 pts without wargear.

 darthnatus wrote:

 mixer86 wrote:
Quite.

I would say something like 200 points base + wargear

If that's only 200+ pts then the Swarmlord needs a point drop.

That's him with 2 power fists xD Also remember the Swarmlord is a psyker with bone sabers which instant death, he is also an MC and not a vehicle.. The CM dread is technically weaker than the Swarmy xD

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 darthnatus wrote:

 mixer86 wrote:
Quite.

I would say something like 200 points base + wargear

If that's only 200+ pts then the Swarmlord needs a point drop.

That's him with 2 power fists xD Also remember the Swarmlord is a psyker with bone sabers which instant death, he is also an MC and not a vehicle.. The CM dread is technically weaker than the Swarmy xD

Don't forget that the Swarmlord is still vulnerable to ID just like vehicles. He also has no inv.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 mixer86 wrote:
Quite.

I would say something like 200 points base + wargear

Any special wargear/items? I was thinking something along the lines of a few relics or something.. Or a Storm Shield for a Dread (though this will cost like, 50/60 pts??)

Tough to say, an AV13 dred with a 3+ inv is filth. a 4+for 50/60 points might not be too bad.

 mixer86 wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 mixer86 wrote:
Quite.

I would say something like 200 points base + wargear

Any special wargear/items? I was thinking something along the lines of a few relics or something.. Or a Storm Shield for a Dread (though this will cost like, 50/60 pts??)

Tough to say, an AV13 dred with a 3+ inv is filth. a 4+for 50/60 points might not be too bad.

I guess, a 4+ wouldn't be so bad ^_^ Armour save or invun?? Armour save would be meh at 50/60pts... A 3+ for a DP is like.... 20pts??
(Yeah that's right. We're talking armour saves on walkers now)

 Psienesis wrote:
...aren't robots, after all, they're an extremely-damaged, but living...

 Psienesis wrote:
...just a pair of stumpy, smoking legs...

 Psienesis wrote:
...You know what else stops a Dread dead in its tracks? A freaking flight of stairs...

I'd buy that for a dollar!

 Anfauglir wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
...aren't robots, after all, they're an extremely-damaged, but living...

 Psienesis wrote:
...just a pair of stumpy, smoking legs...

 Psienesis wrote:
...You know what else stops a Dread dead in its tracks? A freaking flight of stairs...

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Dreads don't HAVE TRACKS THEY HAVE LEGS!!
Also, if you're interested, make a contribution ^_^ I'd be happy to put any cool ideas into the 'dex

Way back when, you actually could have Dread armies, or Dread mobs as I believe it was put. I forget which White Dwarf it was now but it had an entire article covering this subject.

Of course back then Dreadnought pilots didn't necessarily have to be wounded unto death and be jacked in to the sarcophagus on permanent life support, Dreads could also be operated with more conventional controls.

In the WD article the main premise (or one of them, I forget) was that Dread pilots can become drunk on the power they wield and go mental (bit of a pre-cursor to old Chaos Dread rules there). These Dreads would then go off on their own and end up with like minded pilots in roving bands that fought for the hell of it or as mercenaries (for spares and repairs and other gear).

If you are serious in making such an army I would go onto ebay and try and get some of the old Chuck and Eddy dreadnoughts; they could be the 'scouts' on account of their size.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
THEY HAVE LEGS!!

So did ED-209...

I love your idea, btw. Does it mesh with established fluff? Not a jot. Does that matter? Well, let's look at some the things that are established as official fluff by GW publications... yeah... some of it is pretty darn silly, to be honest, with a few things that are just as outlandish and implausible as a chapter of Dreads. And of course, the game and setting as a whole, despite its emo grim-darkyness, is not without a sense of humour and whimsy. The whole point is to take it and make it your own. It's with this spirit that I behold your idea, so I say run - or rather, plod - with it. Remember that on forums such as these people tend to suffer from a case of srs bsns when it comes to things like this... just ignore them and enjoy the hobby.

 Anfauglir wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
THEY HAVE LEGS!!

So did ED-209...

I love your idea, btw. Does it mesh with established fluff? Not a jot. Does that matter? Well, let's look at some the things that are established as official fluff by GW publications... yeah... some of it is pretty darn silly, to be honest, with a few things that are just as outlandish and implausible as a chapter of Dreads. And of course, the game and setting as a whole, despite its emo grim-darkyness, is not without a sense of humour and whimsy. The whole point is to take it and make it your own. It's with this spirit that I behold your idea, so I say run - or rather, plod - with it. Remember that on forums such as these people tend to suffer from a case of srs bsns when it comes to things like this... just ignore them and enjoy the hobby.

Thanks for the support, seriously, it's nice to know there are some people out there who actually want you to succeed, in stead of claiming that you crapped over the fluff, and saying how it would never work in the setting

Considering i love dreads, i like the idea of an army of them
Maybe as a simple apoc formation even?

I usually run:

Astorath

Libby dread x1
Furioso x2

25 DC
Death company dread x5

Dread x3


That gets me 11 dreads and a legal army, but its a push to get that into normal ish games