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I'm at uni writing a list and don't have my codex, I've searched the forums but can only find stuff that is like 5 years old, in the new codex can the cm call in an orbital bombardment from reserves e.g if he's in a storm raven

Tris

Can you shoot from reserves?
I don't think you can, so the bombardment working "like shooting a shooting weapon with this profile ... " might disallow you to do this.

How are you going to measure the range/LOS? No OB unless you are on table.

I though it was unlimited range and didn't need Los, it does make sense though.

I'm a Templars player we've not had such fancy weaponry before lol need to go an read my codex

Unlimited range doean't trump LOS. And no model can fire a weapon when off-the-field.

its an ordinance weapon, and those do not need LOS to be fired or range limitations

sever14 wrote:
its an ordinance weapon, and those do not need LOS to be fired or range limitations

No, it is a barrage weapon and those do not need LOS. Ordnance (not ordinance) still require LOS.

It is a barrage weapon and does not need line of sight.

so for instance if my CM arrived by storm raven, on the turn he arrives on the board, is he able to call an orbital bombardment then??

The OB uses all of the rules for firing weapons, so if your CM can fire his Bolt Pistol, he can fire off the OB (assuming he follows all rules associated with firing a weapon with that profile).

If you want to pull in the unlimited range and barrage not needing line of sight, then sure, I guess you *could* technically fire it - there are no other rules than range and sight stopping you from firing off table.

If you want to allocate any Wounds from that shot, however...

 Happyjew wrote:
The OB uses all of the rules for firing weapons, so if your CM can fire his Bolt Pistol, he can fire off the OB (assuming he follows all rules associated with firing a weapon with that profile).

Meaning he cannot move and fire it. Which is massively annoying.

 optometris wrote:
so for instance if my CM arrived by storm raven, on the turn he arrives on the board, is he able to call an orbital bombardment then??

See the rules for fire points, which is your allowance for firing while inside a vehicle. If your vehcile has no fire points.....

 Crimson wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
The OB uses all of the rules for firing weapons, so if your CM can fire his Bolt Pistol, he can fire off the OB (assuming he follows all rules associated with firing a weapon with that profile).

Meaning he cannot move and fire it. Which is massively annoying.

Unless he is on a bike or in terminator armor and benefits from being Relentless...

nosferatu1001 wrote:
See the rules for fire points, which is your allowance for firing while inside a vehicle. If your vehcile has no fire points.....

While valid, this doesn't help if the CM is a normal reserve and not embarked on anything...

The CM has to be on the table in order to fire.

 Super Ready wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
See the rules for fire points, which is your allowance for firing while inside a vehicle. If your vehcile has no fire points.....

While valid, this doesn't help if the CM is a normal reserve and not embarked on anything...

A model in reserves doesnt have permission to make a shooting attack, as you have no way to measure between them. Even with an unlimited range, "check range" still applies - you measure then compare to the range of the weapon. So you measure, realise you cant, and therefore you dont fire.

I was answering what happens if they come on inside a vehicle.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
A model in reserves doesnt have permission to make a shooting attack, as you have no way to measure between them. Even with an unlimited range, "check range" still applies - you measure then compare to the range of the weapon. So you measure, realise you cant, and therefore you dont fire.

I see... I hadn't looked at it this way.

silvu wrote:The CM has to be on the table in order to fire.

While this is how it works in practice, this in and of itself isn't actually a rule. It's important to note that there's no blanket statement stopping models from taking actions off the board, otherwise special rules affecting deployment and reserves couldn't actually be used.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
So you measure, realise you cant, and therefore you dont fire.

Citation needed. As the Check itself does not fail, the measurement being irrelevant, I see nothing in this rule preventing the firing sequence.

When a rule provides a sequence of events, you have to fill each rule in sequence before you can complete the event. If any one of those steps can not be completed for any reason, either because you fail to meet the restriction in place or you simply can not complete the step due to some external situation, then the whole sequence fails. If one is not able to complete the sequence of events, then they can no longer evoke any effect that would have occurred if the sequence was successful. Even in situations where it would otherwise seem logical that the step shouldn't be applied, you still have to do so because the rules demand you to. Short of having a rule clearly stating that you have permission to ignore a specific step, you do not have the choice to skip that step.

In this case: You are told to measure between the unit and the target and see if it is in range, so you do have to measure. Logically it will be in range, as the range is unlimited, but that doesn't stop you needing to take the measurement and find out how far the distance is, so you can compare it to see if it falls within 'unlimited.' Should you not be able to measure from base to base, on grounds you do not know where the second base is, then you do not have permission to complete the sequence of events because you can not complete the requirement to measure that distance.

This is important because if it worked any other way, then you would be able to use the Orbital Bombardment after you remove the model as a casualty....

Pyrian wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
So you measure, realise you cant, and therefore you dont fire.

Citation needed. As the Check itself does not fail, the measurement being irrelevant, I see nothing in this rule preventing the firing sequence.

The measurement is not irrelevant, just insignificant. You still need to be in infinite range. The only way to not be infinite range, as nosferatu1001 pointed out, is to not exist and therefor not be in any range.

Pyrian wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
So you measure, realise you cant, and therefore you dont fire.

Citation needed. As the Check itself does not fail, the measurement being irrelevant, I see nothing in this rule preventing the firing sequence.

Undefined != unlimited

You MUST determine your range at the Check Range step. To perform this you MUST find a value for the distance between the two units, following the rules for measuring between units

YOu CANNOT complete this measurement, meaning you have NO PERMISSION to carry on firing.

While the actual value does not matter, you have to actually find a value, as per the actual rules

that is your citation. If you disagree, please find a rule allowing you to fire despite being unable to complete "check range"

1. You cannot use OB when he is in reserve. Since it is treated as a normal weapon and you cannot shoot from reserve.
2. If he arrives in a stormraven, he can still not shoot for 2 reasons:
1) The ship does not have any fire points.
2) If he is embarked on a vehicle with fire points that comes from reserve, he cannot fire because he have moved (ordnance rule) (since the vehicle moved, the models inside counts as have moved as well).

 Crimson wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
The OB uses all of the rules for firing weapons, so if your CM can fire his Bolt Pistol, he can fire off the OB (assuming he follows all rules associated with firing a weapon with that profile).

Meaning he cannot move and fire it. Which is massively annoying.

Sometimes its good to be an insane guardsman throwing what is essentially a Battle Cannon shell at the enemy. None of this fancy unlimited rage barrage stuff. just a 6" chuck of high explosives.

 Dragten wrote:
1. You cannot use OB when he is in reserve. Since it is treated as a normal weapon and you cannot shoot from reserve.

Again, this is not a rule. In practice you're prevented from shooting from reserve but this part alone is not a rule.

 Super Ready wrote:

 Dragten wrote:
1. You cannot use OB when he is in reserve. Since it is treated as a normal weapon and you cannot shoot from reserve.

Again, this is not a rule. In practice you're prevented from shooting from reserve but this part alone is not a rule.

It really is, but only because you have to measure range, and can't the models are not on the table.

That's my point. That's what stops it - but there is no blanket rule stopping models from taking actions while off table. This is important because if you can't apply any special rules then other things break, like Deep Strike, Outflank and Infiltrate.