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Anyone who missed the kickstarter should head to gencon, the fact they said they won't be selling it there means they absolutely will be selling it there if past communications are anything to go by.

 warboss wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

Please be aware that there are some further delays shipping to UK recipients due to the Calais strike, we apologise for this matter which is out of our control but we are on the phone the courier daily to find out more news, just know that they are coming. This has allegedly ended today, though we are naturally quite cynical after a week of troubles. We have asked the courier if they can take an alternative route, but it seems they cannot (we believe this is due to an agreement they have with this particular ferry port, but we may be wrong). If you have a tracking number from us and the parcel was last scanned in the Netherlands, this is why.

In any case, we expect to have all packages sent to EU backers by the end of the month as long as we agree to terms with a shipping partner.

We have shipped retail copies of AvP to shops due to contractual obligations. We are not taking any more retail orders for AvP until we catch up on Kickstarter backer shipments. We also understand this is hard to swallow, but we want to ensure you that this decision was not made with malice or greed in mind.

Was the decision to mislead backers about shipping KS boxes in the quantities you claimed made with malice or greed, Prodos? Also, don't you have contractual obligations that PRE-DATE your retail ones with KS backers that you chose to ignore? The above combined with the shipping strike makes this KS really seem like they're trying to follow the Palladium crowdfunding model.

Since they signed contract(s) with Fox prior to the KS their contractual obligation to deliver to retailers may not have occurred after the one to the KS backers

not to say it's not a crappy way for them to behave, especially the apparent exaggerations in their early shipping reports

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Since they signed contract(s) with Fox prior to the KS their contractual obligation to deliver to retailers may not have occurred after the one to the KS backers

We assume they signed contracts with Fox prior to launching the KS. For sure it seems logical that they did so, but I've always found it mildly concerning that they made absolutely no mention whatsoever of Fox on their KS page. In fact Fox didn't get mentioned in dispatches until fairly near to the time when things started to go slightly off the rails.

If it were me, I'd have had a paragraph on that initial KS page saying something along the lines of "We have a licencing agreement with 21st C Fox, and will be working closely with them to ensure we bring you the best possible product".

They may well have signed a contract at that point, I'm not suggesting they didn't, just that it's odd that Fox wasn't mentioned once until they started laying the blame for delays at Fox's door.


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as for the current situation, it's clear now that they've been fire fighting a clusterfeth for the past god knows how many months - arguably since before Christmas, since even in November they were insisting they would make a Christmas delivery, and it's only now that they've backed themselves into a corner badly enough that they've felt they have to come clean (or maybe only cleaner).

I find it galling that over the past 6 months they've booted countless backers from their forums for expressing concern and doubts, and pretty much every single one of those backers has now turned out to be right. Prodos have been caught out for the purveyors of repeated miss-truths that they are.

As Panic said a few posts back, once bitten, twice shy. I won't be backing any Prodos project again, or indeed any project that is run by any company that has any current Prodos director at the helm. (and trust me, they have their fingers in many pies).

I think Prodos is brilliant. Their commitment to their licensed IPs is nothing short of breathtaking. Seriously, they are bringing to life the very soul of not one but two franchises about shady middle management types carrying out their superior's' cold, amoral agendas with a series of half truths and omissions that put trusting, naive schmoes through hell. Perfect.

Hoo boy, Starcraft is going to be a blast when they get to it.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I think Prodos is brilliant. Their commitment to their licensed IPs is nothing short of breathtaking. Seriously, they are bringing to life the very soul of not one but two franchises about shady middle management types carrying out their superior's' cold, amoral agendas with a series of half truths and omissions that put trusting, naive schmoes through hell. Perfect.

I see what you did there

 Alex C wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I think Prodos is brilliant. Their commitment to their licensed IPs is nothing short of breathtaking. Seriously, they are bringing to life the very soul of not one but two franchises about shady middle management types carrying out their superior's' cold, amoral agendas with a series of half truths and omissions that put trusting, naive schmoes through hell. Perfect.

I see what you did there

Me too - funny stuff!

Exalted!

Cheers Bob, this thread needed an injection of humour!

 BrookM wrote:
Hoo boy, Starcraft is going to be a blast when they get to it.

Despite all of this, I am still excited as hell about the prospect of a Starcraft game!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I think Prodos is brilliant. Their commitment to their licensed IPs is nothing short of breathtaking. Seriously, they are bringing to life the very soul of not one but two franchises about shady middle management types carrying out their superior's' cold, amoral agendas with a series of half truths and omissions that put trusting, naive schmoes through hell. Perfect.

Haha! Are Weiland-Yutani corp types in the KS? I can't recall.

Backer 1: How many Kickstarters for you is this, Prodos?
Prodos: Thirty-eight. Simulated.
Backer 2: How many fulfillments?
Prodos: Uh, two. Including this one.
Backer 3: gak...
Backer 4: Oh-ho, man...

lol

Prodos: We're on an express fulfillment to backers.........after retail

It's not like Prodos promised they would fulfill backers before retail.

Or did they?

With the KS site down, it's hard to say...

I dont know mate, It was more of a comment based on the discussion of the last few pages

yeah,
Bad call.




or


Prodos Vs Fox
Whoever wins We lose.


Panic...

I'm not sure I'm quite ready to have some of the Prodos people locked in a room with a Xenomorph, but I can understand the sentiment!

I saw the game on sale in Firgeforge games (you have to laugh really!) they had several boxes left.

Once I had stopped crying/muttering, I had a close look at all of the unpainted miniatures. Have to say they look fantastic.

Out of interest, has anyone bought any additional resin bases to mount these minis on?

Also, any ideas about decal slogans for the armour of the marines? (Although I'm thinking at that scale it's probably going to take some free-hand attempts..)

Is it really called Firgeforge?

..Corrected, sorry 'Firestorm games'

(Had just been looking at the Fireforge historicals stuff which must have confused me!)

Awwww, that's disappointing.

 Pacific wrote:

Out of interest, has anyone bought any additional resin bases to mount these minis on?

Quite a few people have invested in ark/sulaco and sulaco hive bases from Fenris Games. Othere sare going down the clear acrylic route, and I've seen quite a few making their own with green stuff.

biggusdoggus wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

Out of interest, has anyone bought any additional resin bases to mount these minis on?

Quite a few people have invested in ark/sulaco and sulaco hive bases from Fenris Games. Othere sare going down the clear acrylic route, and I've seen quite a few making their own with green stuff.

Thanks, will make sure I check those out !

iirc, secret weapon miniatures do a range of "invasion" bases as well that might fit the bill.

At least you guys are getting something. It's been over 3 years and Assimilation Alien Host seems to be unending.

Any suggestions on providers for the clear bases?

Fenris Games (already mentioned)

http://fenrisgames.com/shop#!/Clear-round-acrylic/c/8776532/offset=0&sort=normal

Plenty on ebay as well.

Edited to add:

So Prodos don't have stock to send to backers but are selling the game from their own site.
http://shop.prodosgames.com/en/8-alien-vs-predator
Per a facebook post someone ordered it yesterday and it was dispatched today.

Contractual obligations to retailers are one thing but stock they have on hand for their own store should be going to backers first.

How irritating...

Yeah....

In my opinion, the stock from their store to new purchasers is not the whole sin. The greater part of the sin is the time it takes to process and ship those is time not spent fulfilling existing KS orders. I could care less if they had a warehouse stocked to the ceilings with (what should have been the KS exclusive version) box games so stock on hand was not an issue. Even in that case sending us KS backers our copies should take priority well over fulfilling web store orders.

I'm just waiting for the update saying:

We're sorry, all the games have been sold off via our Online Store - Fox forced us to. But you will get your games ... soon.

Nah, it'll be, we were doing some housekeeping in our warehouse and accidentally sold all our existing product.

How about:

Warehouse burnt down, sorry, no games. We're retireing on the insurance.

 Moses Bad wrote:
How about:

Warehouse burnt down, sorry, no games. We're retireing on the insurance.

Don't be ridiculous. They'll contain the fire before it gets out of the corner of the warehouse reserved for KS backers. The rest of the copies earmarked for other sources will be safe.