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Made in ca
Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran




Toronto, Ontario

Wave 2 received here in the frozen north!

The 'random changes of miniature material' were based on a vocal number of backers and consumers *losing their minds* over the lack of detail on the core box stuff. They worked with the factory to improve detail and reduce the parts count (oh god, am I in the Robotech thread again?), but for the heroes they found that resin was the way to go instead of trying to force a square peg into a round hole (... phrasing).

Which of course some people hate for different reasons, but it's worth at least noting that it wasn't 'random', it was to try to meet the requests of consumers for better detail in the heroes, and managing to piss off yet another group of people at the same time.

Sort of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation there, at least if making the heroes in the standard material AND getting the detail people were clamoring for wasn't an option (or not a financially viable one).

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Made in us
Dakka Veteran




Central WI

Minis have gotten a ton better. Plastic is better. Resin heros look great (as a wargamer, I appreciate resin). The minis paint up well, and the game is a blast.

Yes this kickstarter took forever to get, but it is probably the best values I've ever gotten in a kickstarter regarding number of minis, cards, expansions, etc vs $ spent (mine cart backer). Not to mention some very monstrous sized minis.

This game is a keeper, along with zombicide, black plague, massive darkness, wrath of kings, dcumg, mumg, bmg, all gw games, wwx, infinity, and some card games. Other games are good but don't have a permanent spot on my shelves.

IN ALAE MORTIS... On the wings of Death!! 
   
Made in us
Stealthy Space Wolves Scout






Well, let's not forget the initial "random" change FFP made in their decision to make buildable plastic miniatures rather than the plastic game pieces that they had always made prior.



"You never see toilets in the 41st Millennium - that's why everyone looks so angry all the time." - Fezman 1/28/13
 
   
Made in ca
Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran




Toronto, Ontario

Heaven forbid they try something new. :-P

I've played all of their other games, I don't think these figures would be nearly as nice in the bendy/rubbery material that some of them are made out of, especially larger pieces.

I was a late backer, and having seen the size and complexity of what they had on display I might have just taken for granted that 'Some Assembly Would Be Required', but they did say something fairly early on after the campaign ended about it (in an update or a comment or something), but the real meat of things is that far as I know, they've been openly willing to work with people on refunds. If the change in material/approach was a dealbreaker from the start, 'getting out' was as simple as getting a refund or finding another person to buy the pledge off the disgruntled individual.

We're nearly at 4 years post campaign, anyone put out by that change is lost in the past (not saying you are, Myrthe, simply commenting on the 'issue' raised). By the time the cores landed in people's laps, either they were cool with it (or begrudgingly accepted it) or they got out. That one has been otherwise settled for years now.

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Made in us
Stealthy Space Wolves Scout






Oh, I was just including it for context completion. I agree, it's in the past and I was one that begrudgingly accepted the change.
That seems to be my overall stance for this whole process ... begrudging acceptance. All I can do but sit and continue waiting for it to arrive (yep, STILL waiting). I love the game and that offsets the frustrations.
That being said, I'll likely only buy FFP stuff at retail in the future.



"You never see toilets in the 41st Millennium - that's why everyone looks so angry all the time." - Fezman 1/28/13
 
   
Made in ca
Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran




Toronto, Ontario

Totally understandable.

And I hope your stuff arrives soon. If you didn't get 1.5 and you picked up a Mine Cart, it's a hell of a lot of stuff.

Even if you got 1.5, it's still a hell of a lot of stuff.

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Made in us
Incorporating Wet-Blending






 Forar wrote:
Sort of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation there, at least if making the heroes in the standard material AND getting the detail people were clamoring for wasn't an option (or not a financially viable one).


What I read was that their plastics manufacturer lied to them, saying that they had experience in the HIPS (or whatever) plastic, when they did not. As a result, the miniatures had softer details *and* were more difficult to assemble.

I've seen other KS where the production plastic did not match the sample plastics (eg. Myth Recon and Project ELITE), but that doesn't mean I don't hold a KS creator responsible when their miniatures turn out as melted pieces of sh*t. FFP's Last Night on Earth zombie miniatures were known to be tacky when primed, the campaign only showed sketches and renders, and the number of miniatures wasn't as much as Reaper and CMON, so I passed on it.

I managed to acquire a partially assembled copy through a trade but haven't played it yet. These are some of the worst miniatures I've had the displeasure of assembling and painting.

Crimson Scales and Wildspire Miniatures thread on Reaper! : https://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/103935-wildspire-miniatures-thread/ 
   
Made in ca
Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran




Toronto, Ontario

As I've said, the later products improved on both the detail and parts count considerably. The core boxes are what they are, and even a low skill modeler/painter like myself admits they're not great. If they're the worst you've ever worked with, that seems pretty lucky. I'm fairly new to minis gaming and I've faced worse in terms of assembly (hello, Robotech Tactics, 22'ish pieces for a 1.25" model), though the detail isn't something I'll clamor to defend.

The heroes aren't great, the monsters are acceptable, but that's subjective.

I've been clipping and gluing at wave 2, and the allies were 1-4 pieces, the Tribal Ghost Warriors (I think) were 1 piece each for all 6 models. They heard the complaints about detail and assembly and have improved, but the core boxes are done, and unless they punch out enough sprues that it's time to replace them, I don't think there's going to be much changed on that front for quite some time.

That's kinda how this all boils down.

"The cores are gak!"

"Yeah, but they improved later stuff."

"But the cores are gak!"

"... I know."

(and I don't really think they're truly gak but as I said, recognizing where subjective opinion comes into play)
   
Made in us
Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine





America

ced1106 wrote:
 Forar wrote:
Sort of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation there, at least if making the heroes in the standard material AND getting the detail people were clamoring for wasn't an option (or not a financially viable one).


What I read was that their plastics manufacturer lied to them, saying that they had experience in the HIPS (or whatever) plastic, when they did not. As a result, the miniatures had softer details *and* were more difficult to assemble.

I've seen other KS where the production plastic did not match the sample plastics (eg. Myth Recon and Project ELITE), but that doesn't mean I don't hold a KS creator responsible when their miniatures turn out as melted pieces of sh*t. FFP's Last Night on Earth zombie miniatures were known to be tacky when primed, the campaign only showed sketches and renders, and the number of miniatures wasn't as much as Reaper and CMON, so I passed on it.

I managed to acquire a partially assembled copy through a trade but haven't played it yet. These are some of the worst miniatures I've had the displeasure of assembling and painting.


Man.....Ive had to assemble some...AWFUL miniatures. These didn't come close. There not great..but they sure aint

Relic Knights 1rst edition
robotech
Kaos Ball
Early Super dungeon Explorer
Games workshop fine cast
etc etc


Age Quod Agis 
   
Made in us
Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran





California the Southern

There must really be something wrong with me since I've always enjoyed building finecast stuff.

Wave 2 stuff from Brimstone really isn't that bad. Hell, I thought the core sets weren't that bad.

Forbidden Fortress should make for a good showing, provided they keep improving upon what they've already shown off.

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/627383.page#7436324.html
Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmCB2mWIxhYF8Q36d2Am_2A 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

Is there any word on when they will release new heroes or hero cards? For my group, the limited variety and gender of the minis is the only concern with the minis.


True story: my 5yo son assembled and painted the main boss from CotA and named him "Cthulhu". Then he put Cthulhu on his bed stand so he can sleep near him at night.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Is there an expansion with a necromancer? He wants to have his Law Man fight The Shadow King (of Mantic fame).

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Made in ca
Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran





California the Southern

There's the Void Magus, who's a big tentacly wizard type throwing magic spells at you from his own deck of nastiness. Plus I want to say you can fight multiples of them.

There's the undead Mexican army coming... eventually.

Vampires too.

The web shop constantly has packs of cards for sale. Wait for a major holiday so you can get a good deal- they often have buy X, get 1 free.

Also of note is a cool new variant sculpt they're offering the weekend of DiceFest in October for the Gunslinger (or really whatever class you're playing as).



He's free if you attend, but they'll make him purchasable on the website that weekend. I'll get one.

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/627383.page#7436324.html
Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmCB2mWIxhYF8Q36d2Am_2A 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

As long as they aren't dirt farmers...

The Coid Magus looks like a winner, especially with a little Reaper Bones counts-as magic. The void magi come in the same box as the void wretch-alikes, right?

I've been looking at the FFP site and I don't see a pack of hero cards, but I do see a pack that might yield laser guns. Also, at $8 for the alt. gender heroes, I'll pick up any my wife likes the look of, and that cool veteran gunslinger as long as his limited status doesn't make him stupid expensive.

Were there other hero classes than the 8 types from the two starter sets? I suppose I could just use fan created content with some Bones minis, but I'd like to support FFP.

   
Made in gb
Using Inks and Washes





If I recall correctly they ended up with quite a few hero classes beyond the original 8 (off the top of my head there were Prospectors, Samurai, Jungle Natives, Shamans, Gamblers and about another 4 or 5 I can't quite remember).

How long it takes before they get a retail release is anybodies guess though.
   
Made in ca
Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran





California the Southern

Sadly a bunch of classes were up for sale as preview editions during Gen Con.

You forgot Cowboys, Orphans, Drifters, Outlaws, and Frontier Doctors.

...and that's not even considering what types will show up in Forbidden Fortress....

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/627383.page#7436324.html
Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmCB2mWIxhYF8Q36d2Am_2A 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

Is Forbidden Fortress entirely compatible? For example, would we be able to port over certain characters and monsters from Forbidden Fortress to,say, the Frontier Town?


And what class character would you use for Ol' Jack Burton?

   
Made in us
[DCM]
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That's what we've been told, yes.

It might more 'sense' to treat FF as an 'Otherworld' all its own, but there's nothing stopping...anything else from happening.

   
Made in ca
Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran




Toronto, Ontario

yes, they are entirely compatible.

Forbidden Fortress is basically "SoB Core Box #3", but with a different theme for the 'mines', gear, encounters, enemies, etc.

In some ways you could basically look at it as 2 'otherworlds' in one kit.

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Made in us
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I really want them to give us the Pledge Manager for FF so I can upgrade to an 'all in' pledge on it...

   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka






 Alpharius wrote:
I really want them to give us the Pledge Manager for FF so I can upgrade to an 'all in' pledge on it...


I'd be happy to get my wave 2 first.

"The Omnissiah is my Moderati" 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

How is the wave one stuff?

   
Made in us
[DCM]
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As noted, it is OK.

Not great but not bad.

But you can definitely see an improvement over time too.

And the game itself is a blast.

I'm really looking forward to what they do with FF too.

   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

I think I misunderstood. Has wave one of FF shipped yet? I've got a core and a few expansions for SoB and I'm pretty happy with the monsters, etc.. I may use some Bones minis for heroes, especially as the game progresses.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Just wondering how FF compares.

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Made in ca
Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran




Toronto, Ontario

No. Ideally there won't be any waves for FF, it is intended to ship in its entirety in early 2018 (March, if we're lucky, I doubt we'll be that lucky).

What and when it starts showing up at retail I couldn't say, but if we're optimistic and base our guesses off the last few years, I'd say that FFP hopes to deliver to backers in early/mid 2018, have FF cores and maybe a few odds and ends ready for Gencon early previews, and go to retail with the core and who knows what else in late 2018, with the rest of the material from the original campaign filling in retail releases through the rest of this year and most of next year (perhaps even longer, though at the rate they're going I'd be surprised if they weren't mostly done).

To follow that pattern, we'd probably see the otherworlds and FF expansion/enemies/etc material become their release schedule for 2018/2019, maybe even further.

But of course, this is all predicated on there not being any snags or delays, which is overly optimistic.

They have prototypes for figures, tiles, and cards for FF, which is what is being shown off.

When I spoke to them at Gencon, I asked directly about how they felt things were coming along, and with the above caveats as I noted, they thought they were going well. Whether or not boxes actually start landing in people's laps in early next year remains to be seen, and wave 2 shipping has taken a very long time now, but luckily the second campaign changed that up in ways both intentional and not; it's my understanding that the tiers will ship directly to backers (from the factory? a distributor? I'm unclear on that offhand), but add on pieces will come from FFP.

That means incurring possibly two shipping costs for those of us who want add ons (and anyone who has ordered from FFP's web store knows that's probably going to be fairly hefty even for small stuff), but it also means they aren't responsible for receiving everything and building packages as they've been doing for quarters now.

A little thing I picked up from talking to FFP staff at the event; the person's favourite game that they were working on wasn't even announced yet. For whatever that's worth, they have stuff going on behind the scenes that may not come to fruition for years, if ever.

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Made in us
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FF is a long, long ways away at this point!

Forbidden Fortress is slated to deliver in March of 2018.

Now, hopefully the Frog learned some hard lessons from this campaign, and that date has some padding in it?

(Maybe not?)

So...figure sometime Q2 - Q3 2018!

   
Made in ca
Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran




Toronto, Ontario

Back during the FF campaign, I explicitly asked them directly about that;

Forar wrote:Not that I expect specifics, and I know a *lot* of work has been done in the lead up to this campaign, but there is a generous amount of contingency time baked into that estimate, right? Just so everyone is on the same page, or if even cracking a few stretch goals will start moving that Q1 target?


Jason from FFP wrote:The SGs were taken into account with the delivery estimate, so there is some wiggle room there. We are working hard to be better scoped and more accurate about every aspect of this KS.


Of course, the best laid plans can still lead to snags beyond their control. A disaster (such as that explosion a few years ago, or a hurricane, etc), a longshoreman's strike at the ports, a clusterfeth of something in production or shipping or whatever, it happens.

I do believe that this project will go better than the last one, but let's just say I'm tempering my expectations where if they aren't starting shipping in 2018 I won't flip out and begin calling for blood.

I'll leave that to some of the others on the Kickstarter comments, the ones who have Doom and Gloom down to an artform.

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Made in au
Snord





Wave 2 pledge arrived here yesterday in Australia. (2xOutlaw)

So much stuff!

A quick look and it all looks quite good, alot of great models for SoB or for other RPG games or even KoW.

Very happy with the value and i really didnt mind the wait as I was happy with the value just getting the original box sets
   
Made in us
Posts with Authority






 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is Forbidden Fortress entirely compatible? For example, would we be able to port over certain characters and monsters from Forbidden Fortress to,say, the Frontier Town?


And what class character would you use for Ol' Jack Burton?


Jack would have to be a custom character/class of his own to do him justice.
   
Made in ca
Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran





California the Southern

I could see Jack working as a drifter.

The way bad events seem to unfold around him and all.

Of course drifters tend to actually be competent in Brimstone, so...

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/627383.page#7436324.html
Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmCB2mWIxhYF8Q36d2Am_2A 
   
Made in nz
Screamin' Stormboy





New Zealand

 MangoMadness wrote:
Wave 2 pledge arrived here yesterday in Australia. (2xOutlaw)

So much stuff!

A quick look and it all looks quite good, alot of great models for SoB or for other RPG games or even KoW.

Very happy with the value and i really didnt mind the wait as I was happy with the value just getting the original box sets


Woohoo that means mine to NZ can't be far off.

 
   
 
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