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Hmm. Well then maybe only one grav cannon then.

One cent with grav cannon and hurricane and two other cents with missile nips and heavy bolters

The grav cent dosnt have missile nips so in the case it gets killed, it's not a total point waste, the other 2 cents have missile nips and heavy bolters so they can focus on hide control and maybe tank hunting while the third cent split fires and focuses primarily on tank hunting

Easy counters-

2 Flying Daemon Princes with Axe of Blind Fury and Black Mace respectively with whatever gubbins you feel nessecary. Ferocious numbers of attacks, with AP2 and hit on 3+ with Str 6 or 8 (9 charging for Axe).

Costs roughly the same, is hard to bring down, has no basal armour save so the Centurians are wounding on 6s. They also have Hatred Space Marines. Basically they feth them up if they get close. The BM Prince can even be kitted out with Psychic Powers to boot. Plus, they don't even have to challenge so if you want to be safe from the retaliation you can single out the Sarge or Tiggy, or lay waste to the unit with an average of 11 Str 9 attacks at Int 8, or 10 at Strength 6 with the BM Curse, all AP2.


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 Coyote81 wrote:
A vindicare assassin in a Bastion will get them all eventually, buff will effectively kill Tiggy early.

This too. If using Turbo Penetrator rounds he has approximately a 50/50 Chance of killing a Centurian a turn. The reason I say apporximately is because he has a very high chance of hitting and needs a 4+ to deal a pair of AP1 wounds to a single model with no LoS! Plus he has pinning.

 Desubot wrote:
Better hope to not get that one BOOOON roll that makes your armor save better

A Daemon Prince cannot gain boons mid-game. You can buy one roll through your list, but that's it.

I've hit a unit very similar to that, I used dark eldar trueborn with 2 splinter cannons and 7 splinter rifle paired with the duke. The 3+ to with re-rolls because of their raider, combined with their 3+ to wound killed quite a few before they destroyed the raider, but even then their dominance had been destroyed simply because of the number of saves they had to roll.

 Deadshot wrote:
Easy counters-

2 Flying Daemon Princes with Axe of Blind Fury and Black Mace respectively with whatever gubbins you feel nessecary. Ferocious numbers of attacks, with AP2 and hit on 3+ with Str 6 or 8 (9 charging for Axe).

Costs roughly the same, is hard to bring down, has no basal armour save so the Centurians are wounding on 6s. They also have Hatred Space Marines. Basically they feth them up if they get close. The BM Prince can even be kitted out with Psychic Powers to boot. Plus, they don't even have to challenge so if you want to be safe from the retaliation you can single out the Sarge or Tiggy, or lay waste to the unit with an average of 11 Str 9 attacks at Int 8, or 10 at Strength 6 with the BM Curse, all AP2.


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 Coyote81 wrote:
A vindicare assassin in a Bastion will get them all eventually, buff will effectively kill Tiggy early.

This too. If using Turbo Penetrator rounds he has approximately a 50/50 Chance of killing a Centurian a turn. The reason I say apporximately is because he has a very high chance of hitting and needs a 4+ to deal a pair of AP1 wounds to a single model with no LoS! Plus he has pinning.

That counters the OP, but my squad has 3X TL LC and 4X MLs. Oh, and maybe some foot DC hanging around just in case.

 Ravenous D wrote:


The missile nipples are a complete waste as the unit can already bone any tank in the game easily and it struggles against hordes, the 3 to 6 twin linked bolter shots each is far more important then the tank overkill.

The missile nipples have 48" range, the grav cannons only 24". There are a good number of tanks that can bone the cents from over 24"


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 Selym wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Better hope to not get that one BOOOON roll that makes your armor save better

A Daemon Prince cannot gain boons mid-game. You can buy one roll through your list, but that's it.

I believe there is a tzeench power that gives you boons


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 epicwalrus wrote:
I've hit a unit very similar to that, I used dark eldar trueborn with 2 splinter cannons and 7 splinter rifle paired with the duke. The 3+ to with re-rolls because of their raider, combined with their 3+ to wound killed quite a few before they destroyed the raider, but even then their dominance had been destroyed simply because of the number of saves they had to roll.

cheap venoms do a better job.

@Exergy: Huh. So there is.

I shall amend my comment: A Daemon Prince will probably not get a boon roll mid-game.

Hmmm, I could get 5 vendettas for the amount you are spending on those guys. Me thinks 5 flyers with 3 lascannons each is pretty good. That's 15 lascannons. That will do lots of a damage even if it doesn't wipe them.

 Chaos Rising wrote:
Hmmm, I could get 5 vendettas for the amount you are spending on those guys. Me thinks 5 flyers with 3 lascannons each is pretty good. That's 15 lascannons. That will do lots of a damage even if it doesn't wipe them.

And when you're done with the centurions, you're likely to still be in good standing for taking out the rest of the army

Ravagers perhaps

3 Dl shots or 9 Disintegrator shots, all AP 2, from 36'' away.

you could get 6 ravagers into a list for less than that unit, or about on par if you upgrade them.

18 DL, or 54 Dissie shots, should at least put a dent in them, and even if they down a ravager a turn (likely) they'd still take a beating.

*shrug* maybe i'll talk someone at my FLGS into running this unit, and whatever would support it, and try it against my DE to see how that works out...

I'm amazed that 6 pages in nobody has commented on the improbability of Tigarus getting all 3 of the desired powers. Even with his re-rolls you unlikely to get more than 2, especially since one of them is on a differeant power chart (biomancy).

Well you get a roll, then a reroll then the choice to drop it to primis, its very likely you'll get the powers you want.

Worst case forget biomancy and just do 3 rolls on divination and go for forewarning and perfect timing. Prescience is guaranteed, the others are just gravy.

One 240 point flying nurgle DP with balesword shuts it down like a fat guy on a slide.

 juraigamer wrote:
One 240 point flying nurgle DP with balesword shuts it down like a fat guy on a slide.

Day=made.

 Ravenous D wrote:
So this unit popped up at the store the other day and it did obscene amounts of damage to a regular tournament champion to the point where he went and bought it right after.

Its pretty simple and straight forward and not as easy to deal with as you would think.

Tigurius
6 Centurions with Grav cannons.

What this unit does:
- Re rolls hits and wounds with 30 grav cannon shots
- Optimal powers: Endurance(FNP, It will not die), Forewarning (4++), and Prescience (Re roll all to hit rolls)
- 18 or 36 twin linked bolter shots in addition to the grav guns
- Re rolls psychic tests
- Re roll reserves

First answer was "use orks" but after killing 15+ boyz consistently in test rolls, doesn't seem like an answer.

thats odd...

i just played my orks against a buddy of mine with this exact thing, at 1850, he had another squad of cents too.

tiggys 4++ really helped them, so did the ignore cover, I had 24 bikers + 2 warbosses that just evaporated...

luckily the other 100 boys made it across by turn 2 in their truks/BWagons's and proceeded to crump everything.... it was actually really funny, as one he killed all bikers, it was too late to pop the vehicles, and my grots were on objectives, being wounded on 6's!

krumpin victory!

but I could see a lot of armies hating this!

 easysauce wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
So this unit popped up at the store the other day and it did obscene amounts of damage to a regular tournament champion to the point where he went and bought it right after.

Its pretty simple and straight forward and not as easy to deal with as you would think.

Tigurius
6 Centurions with Grav cannons.

What this unit does:
- Re rolls hits and wounds with 30 grav cannon shots
- Optimal powers: Endurance(FNP, It will not die), Forewarning (4++), and Prescience (Re roll all to hit rolls)
- 18 or 36 twin linked bolter shots in addition to the grav guns
- Re rolls psychic tests
- Re roll reserves

First answer was "use orks" but after killing 15+ boyz consistently in test rolls, doesn't seem like an answer.

thats odd...

i just played my orks against a buddy of mine with this exact thing, at 1850, he had another squad of cents too.

tiggys 4++ really helped them, so did the ignore cover, I had 24 bikers + 2 warbosses that just evaporated...

luckily the other 100 boys made it across by turn 2 in their truks/BWagons's and proceeded to crump everything.... it was actually really funny, as one he killed all bikers, it was too late to pop the vehicles, and my grots were on objectives, being wounded on 6's!

krumpin victory!

but I could see a lot of armies hating this!

This is the reason why it's now almost always a good idea to have cannon fodder units laying around (Grots, IG/Conscripts, Cultists etc). They make AT weapons a waste, and Gravguns will not be sufficient to win.

I just fought a space marine army w/ centurians at my FLGS last night, he deployed Centurians behind an aegis line. I sent my scarab swarm and tied him up all game. Scarab swarm managed to kill two centurians, really easy after the first "entropic strike" hit. Also killed the librarian which was attached to the unit, that was fun.

- J

My kharn and my JuggerAxeLord, really likes Centurions of any kind.

They are specialy crunchy and offers nice skulls.

Presumabley, centurions should have protective units of some kind around them.

How about a GraVesa star? Its a mix of Grav. Cents., Tiggy (or Loth if he can be taken, he is better), O'Vesa, Farsight, Torchstar, 2-3 Riptides (1 HBCtide for sure, and then 1 more or 3 IAtides, your choice). Thats pretty much most of your army there too. Its a VERY expensive death star, but it just doesn't die. It also takes out a couple of units a turn from what I've heard. Thoughts?

I have typhus and 210 zombies, you will quit before turn 3 :p

My gravstar can easily wipe 210 zombies in 5 turns without breaking a sweat.

3 Ravagers, Night Shields & Flickerfields. Just shy of 400pts.

27 shots a turn, Str 5 AP2, so wounding on 4s with no armour save. 36" range, and can still fire all 3 guns after a 12" movement. Nightshields reduce the gravguns by 6".

Good luck hitting the Ravagers while they zip around blasting the feth outta the Centurions.

EDIT: Apologies to Ascalam, missed that post

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
My gravstar can easily wipe 210 zombies in 5 turns without breaking a sweat.

Uh, wounds based on armor save = 6's to wound?
Tossing around zombies in the air only confuses them.

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
My gravstar can easily wipe 210 zombies in 5 turns without breaking a sweat.

Not by rerolling sixes to wound and having FNP to worry about they won't.

As for your list; meet endlessly respawning waves of formation hormagaunts and gargoyles.

Once they get in assault the Gravstar is pretty screwed.

You forget that they also have Hurricane Bolters, a ton of attacks in close combat, and hit and run. My Gravstar can put out close to 100 wounds a turn as they shoot and charge. I've brought down fortuned Baron many times through sheer weight of dice.

By a ton do you mean one each? And how do you get a 100 wounds??? 30 grav shots, 30 wounds. 18 bolter wounds=48. Attacks in combat, from the charge about 13 atttacks. So that leaves close to 39 wounds for your joined characters to dish out.

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
You forget that they also have Hurricane Bolters, a ton of attacks in close combat, and hit and run. My Gravstar can put out close to 100 wounds a turn as they shoot and charge. I've brought down fortuned Baron many times through sheer weight of dice.

You can only shoot at so many Hormie or Garg broods at a time, and as they respawn I can't care less if they get wiped.

And I'd hardly call Dev Cents competent in assault.

If pressed though I may just switch to Necrons and bring in doomscythes which can both ID the unit and strike from safety.

The Gravstar is vey powerful though, and I did forget about the Buffmander and body guns.

Can someone explain to me how Grav Centurions tear apart the DeerCouncil? Do the Cents have ignores cover?