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People have spent pages discussing the cleavage of a picture?
People are trying to apply terms like 'logic' and 'realistic' about a totally fictional archetype from a creation set almost 40,000 years in the future?
Well, from an internal logic standpoint, we have absolutely no idea how social conventions will have changed or evolved in that time, how on earth would all the likes of Maxim and FHM look to a Victorian? That sort of change in culture and acceptability has come about in just over a century. So nobody is in a position to apply modern sensibilities in an attempt to justify anything "in universe."
From a practical standpoint, it has been discussed, mostly in IG related threads, that a 'realistic' woman would be very difficult to portray at this scale while still giving a strong feminine look on the tabletop. Exaggerating the female elements is an easy shorthand to make the model look like a woman from several feet away.
As much as I detest the argument, in this case I can't think of any other thing to say other than "don't like it, don't buy it." But frankly this thread reeks of people posting not because they are actually offended, but because they feel they should be because being pro-feminist is the right thing to be.
I'm with you. This thread has gotten incredibly stupid. I can either triangle myself for an alert, or hope a mod comes in here and calms things down. Seriously...I was actually excited about this, and now it's just a headache.
Alpharius wrote:I think it might be time to take this particular debate to its own thread somewhere else, and then attempt to lurch this one back on topic.
Thanks!
Mannahnin wrote:Let's save the discussion of skin and art for another thread; okay folks?
Several have tried, apparently other posters feel this doesn't apply to their part of the argument.
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When does this go up for pre-order? Is it at the end of the month or sooner? I'm super excited for this one, although I am slightly concerned that I will end up buying it only to find that it is mostly just fluff with like one unit option. Haha.
I'm liking the looks of this so far, let's hope that it's a solid book and gives good background. Would like to see some solid stuff on the Ordo Xenos.
You don't see da eyes of da Daemon, till him come callin' - King Willy - Predator 2
Hoping for a solid Troops choice or two from this codex, would love to have a small (600 pointish) playable army just from Inquisition codex. Something decent for inquisitorial storm troopers would suffice and could be good to convert up.
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I'm feeling that for it to really fit into the fluff I've read that it will just be an Inquisitor and his retinue... then MAYBE a small troop selection... but it's still exciting.
You don't see da eyes of da Daemon, till him come callin' - King Willy - Predator 2
Matt1785 wrote: When does this go up for pre-order? Is it at the end of the month or sooner? I'm super excited for this one, although I am slightly concerned that I will end up buying it only to find that it is mostly just fluff with like one unit option. Haha.
I'm liking the looks of this so far, let's hope that it's a solid book and gives good background. Would like to see some solid stuff on the Ordo Xenos.
Next weekend.
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Matt1785 wrote: When does this go up for pre-order? Is it at the end of the month or sooner? I'm super excited for this one, although I am slightly concerned that I will end up buying it only to find that it is mostly just fluff with like one unit option. Haha.
I'm liking the looks of this so far, let's hope that it's a solid book and gives good background. Would like to see some solid stuff on the Ordo Xenos.
It comes out this month but they haven't said when just yet.
If I was to wishlist in the extreme, some form of framework to create unique inquisitorial aides would be awesome, so the assassin, the bodyguard, the hacker etc etc. Sort of a mini SC creation system, perhaps an evolution of the Royal Court/whatever the DE version was called rules.
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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I wonder if the Assassinorum will get wrapped up into this at all? I think it would be sweet to get some assassins placed into this as well. I know not everyone was a fan of them, but it would be cool to put into this.
Overall like I said, I can't wait and I'll be pre-ordering next week then. Great!
You don't see da eyes of da Daemon, till him come callin' - King Willy - Predator 2
The current GK Assassins need a points redux, someway to increase speed, a way of negating overwatch, and the ability to assault upon arrival a la Ymgarls.
It's really sad that the Vindicare is the only one that's worth it. The others are just too slow to be useful. I could see the Cullexus(sp?) Assassin being amazing versus psyker deathstars, but his wounds would have to be auto-perils (hilarious) and he'd have to be faster.
Someway for Assassins to blink around the table would be more fitting of their stealth and speed.
Ok, I created a new topic where people interested could continue the off-topic discussion without annoying those that wish to discuss actual rumors and speculations about the new Inquisition codex.
I hope it's okay by the rules of Dakka Dakka. It's here.
On topic, I think “It won't contain any marines” is the best phrase GW ever wrote, and I sure hope they'll write it much much more often in the future .
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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Ok, I created a new topic where people interested could continue the off-topic discussion without annoying those that wish to discuss actual rumors and speculations about the new Inquisition codex.
I hope it's okay by the rules of Dakka Dakka. It's here.
On topic, I think “It won't contain any marines” is the best phrase GW ever wrote, and I sure hope they'll write it much much more often in the future .
Sometimes it doesn't need to be said though. I mean no one ever asks if the Ork Codex will have Marines in it.
I think it we will get inquisitor HQ's, very customizable along the three ordos paths,
possibly each with a special unit that they unlock,
hopefully inquisitor elites again as well.
a special unit for each, likely troops along the lines of stormtroopers/indoctrinated guard/henchmen. maybe possibly hopefully deathwatch as well, but who knows.
It seems to me, like it or parts of it will be something that GK and SOB can take, as if it were their own codex choice
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To all you people complaining about seeing a breast grow the F up. Maybe instead they should have showed a bulky woman with cropped short hair and ill fitting camo as the inquisitor.
easysauce wrote: I think it we will get inquisitor HQ's, very customizable along the three ordos paths,
possibly each with a special unit that they unlock,
hopefully inquisitor elites again as well.
a special unit for each, likely troops along the lines of stormtroopers/indoctrinated guard/henchmen. maybe possibly hopefully deathwatch as well, but who knows.
It seems to me, like it or parts of it will be something that GK and SOB can take, as if it were their own codex choice
Deathwatch is a no go. No Marines in the book according to GWDE.
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It's up for pre-order on November 9th, to be precise. UK timezone. Probably another midnight launch, though it might just come before then. I presume that the actual release will be a week later.
Matt1785 wrote: I wonder if the Assassinorum will get wrapped up into this at all?
Possibly. They're more connected to the Inquisition than the GK.
On a related note, I'm wondering if this means that the GK will be Inquisition-free in their next codex? Considering that the Inquistion just got its own codex, it'd seem odd to have an army being standalone as well as being fully intergrated into another army.
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Order of the Righteous Armour - 542 points so far.
It woud make sense for a pure Marine Codex - they can then do the same for DeathWatch and make up lots of units / models if they want to
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Will this be made into print at some point? I heard that Black Legion would be made into a book so I am waiting for that, I'll do the same for this if I can. I like actual books for the game book shelf.
7K Points of Black Legion and Daemons 5K Points of Grey Knights and Red Hunters
Probably. Cruddace said that they'd print the SoB codex if it sold well (which it apparently has! woo!), so I presume that this will get the same treatment.
Order of the Righteous Armour - 542 points so far.
Inquisitors and their retinues
Officio Assassinorum options
Inquisitorial Stormtroopers
Chimeras as DT Valkyries
HS Orbital bombardment
Anything else would just be a bonus.
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If the Inquisitional stuff is meant to be playable within other Imperium Codexes, I wonder how it will specifically be integrated. I am thinking it could have a 0-1 or 0-2 restriction when used in other codexes. Maybe a rule where you can't use its contents as your mandatory HQ and Troop choices in other armies.
I assume here will be something that stops you from fielding a Space Marine army that has a couple of Inquisitors, some assassins, a handful of inquisitorial warbands and the rest is Devastators Centurions and Bike Squads.
Related note, Grav Weapons for the Inquisition - think they will be there?
Maybe she just cleverly painted the strongest parts of her armor to look that way from a distance so that an unaware enemy might attempt to strike her where she is actually strongest? Very Clever Lady Inquisitor! Very clever!
I think Ordo Xenos stands to be a real upsetter and a chance for GW to balance out the meta to add in units that can annihilate some of the power builds that have rerollable 2+ saves; the dumbest thing GW has done to the meta.
More places to put Plasma Syphons would make Tau pucker and a clarifications on condemners, and like weaponry, would get rid of Seer Councils and what not.
I see the model selection as being tepid but the wargear being the "make or break" on whether or not we see the Big I on the table more.
Disappointed that Ordo Xenos does not have Deathwatch, seems like a missed trick to me as the current Deathwatch rules are very old.
In an ideal world I would have loved to have seen Arbites in this codex as well as Sisters of Silence, but I know it won't happen as GW Digital have confirmed that there won't be any new models.
tyrannosaurus wrote: Disappointed that Ordo Xenos does not have Deathwatch, seems like a missed trick to me as the current Deathwatch rules are very old.
And miss out on the chance to sell another digi-dex?
tyrannosaurus wrote: Disappointed that Ordo Xenos does not have Deathwatch, seems like a missed trick to me as the current Deathwatch rules are very old.
And miss out on the chance to sell another digi-dex?
Ithink itwillnot be necessary, assuming we got hints right so far...
If there are options to integrate =][= force within imperial armies, one might make a sm army, paint it black, and add inquisitors. And choosing chapter tactics...
Back on the Inquisition codex, my guess (my hope?) is somethning along these lines:
HQ Inquisitor, one each ordo (two, if differentiating radical and puritan), lord upgrade if independent detachment
Special characters/famous Inquisitors (old and new... Inq. Valeria demonstrates a stat line doesn't need a model)
Elite
Assassins (add temple venenum and vanus, please!)
Troops
Henchmen (options dependant on ordo?)
Storm troopers
+ dedicated chimeras
Fast
Flyer?
Dca strike unit?
Something along these lines
Heavy
Heavy infantrty (as in: heavy weapons alcolytes and/or servitors)
Orbital strike in some form
Well if it's a 'Full Codex' they would need a troops choice. So unless Retinue are now Troops choices there has to be something there that's already represented with models.
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You don't see da eyes of da Daemon, till him come callin' 
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Order of the Righteous Armour - 542 points so far. 
7K Points of Black Legion and Daemons 
5K Points of Grey Knights and Red Hunters 
3200 points 
> 5400 points
2500 points 
~4100
~1660
1978 (180 painted)
329 (280ish)
705 (0)
193 (0)
165 (0)