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 Kroothawk wrote:

Troike wrote:The Jokaero are in because they're extremely useful. They're very good at creating high-quality technology, so the Inquisition likes to keep them around to acquire said tech.

Tau are also excellent at technology, as are Eldar and Necrons and in a way Grots. But somehow Ordo Xenos does not like their presence

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:The Jokaero are in because they are considered like the grox. Grox are aliens too, but they are very well accepted. Because they are considered unintelligent animals. Like the Jokaero.

Tyranids are also considered unintelligent animals. But somehow Ordo Xenos does not like their presence either.

yes, though oddly all of those others you named also attempt to, you know, kill everyone? Jokaero are peaceful(ish) and don't set out to destroy the imperium for some reason or another.

The Jokaero are also damn good at technology. Every one of them is pretty much a savant that can whip up good tech on a whim.

And also the other Aliens aren't friendly and don't give you digital weapons for a banana.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I thought that was the "No girls allowed" Policy f not allowing girls in your club.

Doesn't explain the Eldar.

meh_ wrote:
Noooo, my moneys

Slightly off topic, but I'm doubly excited about Eisenhorn rules for the small hope that there will be full Tanith rules when the IG dex drops. Then I can ally Eisenhorn with Tanith and the Iron Snakes. Then the universe will implode from the might of the Abnett-o-verse, the emperor will step off the golden throne, chaos will explode into a gentle rainbow and there will be cake.

There's no specific rules for Eisenhorn, but we wanted to make sure that all the Inquisitors you might have heard of had their place in the background.
That said, there are certainly the options to create an inquisitor who could represent him.

- Eddie

Well that was just mean :(

Well, this is fleshing out quite nicely, even the return of the Inquisitorial Land Raider... interesting. I am so psyched for this now. Yay!

Not a fan of the monkey (wasn't a fan before, still not.) but is there any idea if there WILL be any models made for this release at all?

 Goliath wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

Troike wrote:The Jokaero are in because they're extremely useful. They're very good at creating high-quality technology, so the Inquisition likes to keep them around to acquire said tech.

Tau are also excellent at technology, as are Eldar and Necrons and in a way Grots. But somehow Ordo Xenos does not like their presence

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:The Jokaero are in because they are considered like the grox. Grox are aliens too, but they are very well accepted. Because they are considered unintelligent animals. Like the Jokaero.

Tyranids are also considered unintelligent animals. But somehow Ordo Xenos does not like their presence either.

yes, though oddly all of those others you named also attempt to, you know, kill everyone? Jokaero are peaceful(ish) and don't set out to destroy the imperium for some reason or another.

Every read any background text about Tau? Or Craftworld Eldar (maybe except Saim Hann)?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Tyranids are also considered unintelligent animals. But somehow Ordo Xenos does not like their presence either.

Because they are dangerous. I'm pretty sure the day some radical Ordo Xenos inquisitor find some kind of psi-emitter to control tyranids by emulating the hive mind, you'll find some Inquisitors with a gaunts retinue .
Let's sum up : eldars and tau are intelligent beings with their own motives, tyranids are just too dangerous and impossible to tame (not to mention that they either are not really useful in small number, or are enormous) and grox are too big and too useless. Jokaero are super-useful, are unintelligent, have no motives of their own, and are small/human-sized.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

This is a good replacement(From the Alter of war fantasy)

Spoiler:

Infact a bit of the Empire stuff can be good for inquisitors

I'm a bit slow, I can't seem to find that model on the website.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440090a&prodId=prod1530036a
Look through the pics, to get him single though you need to go to bit sites

Ah ha! There it is. Thank you very much sir.

Almost forgot grot. Grot are too intelligent, have motives of their own, are part of a specie that has very very bad reputation among the Imperium for obviously good reasons, their technology not only totally sucks compared to what the Jokaero (or even ork meks !) will give you, and their creations tend not to work when used by non-orkoïds.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

Troike wrote:The Jokaero are in because they're extremely useful. They're very good at creating high-quality technology, so the Inquisition likes to keep them around to acquire said tech.

Tau are also excellent at technology, as are Eldar and Necrons and in a way Grots. But somehow Ordo Xenos does not like their presence

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:The Jokaero are in because they are considered like the grox. Grox are aliens too, but they are very well accepted. Because they are considered unintelligent animals. Like the Jokaero.

Tyranids are also considered unintelligent animals. But somehow Ordo Xenos does not like their presence either.

yes, though oddly all of those others you named also attempt to, you know, kill everyone? Jokaero are peaceful(ish) and don't set out to destroy the imperium for some reason or another.

Every read any background text about Tau? Or Craftworld Eldar (maybe except Saim Hann)?

Yeah, that Tau approach peacefully, but if you don't join them they break you. The Eldar attack for virtually no reason if the farmers think it's required, so trying to say that the Jokaero (peaceful monkeys who make tech for the inquisition) are on the same level as the Tau (join us or die) or the Eldar (you'll die if we think you need to) is ignoring huge parts of the background for those races.

Jokero are unintelligent? Then how can they fit a lascannon, a multi-melta and a heavy flamer in their rings?

Instinct, they just know how to build a dooms day bomb out of cardboard and sticky back plastic... Must be the mutant offspring of blue Peter and the A-team

I like it as it gives you options, Radical Inquisitors of the Ordo Malleus would use Deamon Hosts and Deamon relics, Ordo Xenos would use Xenos and Xenos tech, Ordo Herecticus would use Pyskers and heretics. Whilst the Puritans would not use any of these (and some of the Ordo Herecticus actively seek out to destroy thsse Radicals! ). This is easily represented by including or not including these elements in your force.

Please excuse the spelling!

Who says I can't model my ARCO flagellants as gaunts?

This is where I diverge from most. As long as the rules used are sanctioned, and equipment/differentiation are obvious, you can model anything you want in my opinion.

Super Newb wrote:
Jokero are unintelligent? Then how can they fit a lascannon, a multi-melta and a heavy flamer in their rings?

Unintelligent is perhaps the wrong term. They're more akin to autistic technological savants.

I'm still so pumped about this. I'm trying hard to pull myself back but I enjoyed the SOB book and this is something, that to me, is bigger. Just the modeling possibilities are making me all twitchy

 Formosa wrote:
Instinct, they just know how to build a dooms day bomb out of cardboard and sticky back plastic... Must be the mutant offspring of blue Peter and the A-team

Nah the entire Jokaero lineage can be traced back to an Orangutan and Macgyver

 Goliath wrote:
Yeah, that Tau approach peacefully, but if you don't join them they break you. The Eldar attack for virtually no reason if the farmers think it's required, so trying to say that the Jokaero (peaceful monkeys who make tech for the inquisition) are on the same level as the Tau (join us or die) or the Eldar (you'll die if we think you need to) is ignoring huge parts of the background for those races.

1.) There is no "Tau kill everyone" in official background, but there are a lot of peace treaties, negotiations and cooperation mentioned. Sometimes, reading "Are tau evil" threads is not enough.
2.) Eldar only attack with a reason, but that reason can be a farseer prophesy or humans settling on a terraformed maiden planet of the Eldar. Farmers do NOT lead the craftworld decisions.
3.) Jokaeroes are not valued for their peacefullness, but for their weapons. (and in original background they were absolutely uncontrollable and fought every control attempt viciously). That still doesn't change the fact that they are Xenos (not monkeys or rather apes), the enemy of Ordo Xenos.

 marcus.iscariat wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Instinct, they just know how to build a dooms day bomb out of cardboard and sticky back plastic... Must be the mutant offspring of blue Peter and the A-team

Nah the entire Jokaero lineage can be traced back to an Orangutan and Macgyver

He was always able to make parts fit together to get the job done.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
Yeah, that Tau approach peacefully, but if you don't join them they break you. The Eldar attack for virtually no reason if the farmers think it's required, so trying to say that the Jokaero (peaceful monkeys who make tech for the inquisition) are on the same level as the Tau (join us or die) or the Eldar (you'll die if we think you need to) is ignoring huge parts of the background for those races.

1.) There is no "Tau kill everyone" in official background, but there are a lot of peace treaties, negotiations and cooperation mentioned. Sometimes, reading "Are tau evil" threads is not enough.
2.) Eldar only attack with a reason, but that reason can be a farseer prophesy or humans settling on a terraformed maiden planet of the Eldar. Farmers do NOT lead the craftworld decisions.
3.) Jokaeroes are not valued for their peacefullness, but for their weapons. (and in original background they were absolutely uncontrollable and fought every control attempt viciously). That still doesn't change the fact that they are Xenos, the enemy of Ordo Xenos.

1) Seriously? Tau Codex, page 18. You don't join us we kill you. Pg. 28. Join us or be driven off your planets and out of our region of control (or killed).
2) Right, like you couldn't tell Farmer was likely auto-correct from a cell phone....
3) Pragmatism. Inquisitors feel they can control Jokaeroes. They don't feel that way about Eldar and Tau. Oh, and old fluff has changed to new fluff. So quoting how they "used" to be doesn't really hold up.

Dang...he got me to respond to him....I need to go have some coffee.

Tea old chap not coffee lol! (Agree with you 100%)

 Kroothawk wrote:

3.) Jokaeroes are not valued for their peacefullness, but for their weapons. (and in original background they were absolutely uncontrollable and fought every control attempt viciously). That still doesn't change the fact that they are Xenos (not monkeys or rather apes), the enemy of Ordo Xenos.

Deamon hosts are used by demon hunters... they are called radicals, look at Ravenor, who works with Eldar..

Sure if you are running a fluff puritan INQ you wouldn't take either... but what if you uhh arnt?

Biel Tan Eldar are just as xenophobic as Space Marines, so yeah Eldar aren't exactly a nice race by any stretch. There are no "good" guys in 40k just like there are no good countries on our current planet. Each looks out for the interests of their people, because that is what a country and/or civilization is supposed to do. I'm sure they are considered to be the good guys by their own people :p

So.... does anyone think there is a chance that you will be able to field an Inquisitor who has given over to the warp? Allowing the same alliances with chaos?

While I am doubtful, I think it would be fun and interesting.

Regardless, I love how this new codex is shaping up.

Will there be new models as well?

 Malika2 wrote:
Will there be new models as well?

Un-likely.