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 Dr Mathias wrote:
Is that guy carrying a gun, or a chainsword, or a serrated shotgun? I have that figure and I've never been able to figure it out.

It's an incredibly poorly sculpted gun. With a square barrel.

You gotta admit that it makes good business sense though. Release a cheap stop-gap dex to shift some stock. A year later release a proper dex with new model support. (Not a rumour, just speculation).

D

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Bonus points for him not knowing that the Hat and Plasma was a Limited GD model back in the day.

Bonus point for you not knowing that they released the Hat and Plasma anyway for general release some time later, until they noticed the Internet outrage after a few days and retracted it from the store

While he was a LE, he wasn't a Games Day figure - he was a limited release for a weekend or so, along side either Marco Polo dude or a High Elf character. This was around the same period that the Parade Rest Cadians were released.

I can't remember if they were a campaign weekend release, or if they were for an anniversary of some description, though.

Think I've still got a spare one of the metal =][= in a drawer somewhere, in addition to the one I've painted.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So of those examples of metal to plastic with no changes, how many occurred after Finecast became a thing?

Basically no changes but some additions: Tyranid Hive Tyrant (Metal, then Finecast for maybe 6 months, then Plastic with added winged version).

BTW I always liked the Inquisitor with Hat and Inferno pistol more than the limited one.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:


I hope I'm not pointing out the obvious here, but both this digital 'dex and the previous AS 'dex are about moving old product. Burn through as much metal as possible, and start culling the finecast stuff that's been sitting around the warehouse. The fact that Kyrinov was excluded from the AS 'dex and his mini was also no longer in production was not a coincidence.

The scary thing is all that old, first-run Finecast that is about to be unleashed upon the world... *shivers*

This. Also the fact that the Seraphim Superior [oop] is an optional upgrade, whereas in the rest of the AS dex the Superior is mandatory. It's not the end of the world, but it is really disappointing that the starting point for a codex is the stock level sheets. Pretty sure they weren't shifting many missionary/preachers, arcos etc. before the AS dex and now the Inquisition dex. Makes me wonder why Penitent Engines are still so bad, I thought it would be a no-brainer to make them auto-include.

The problem with penitent engines isn't entirely limited to just them. GW as a whole actually believes that walkers are good in close combat as if the new CC rules + grenades didn't totally make them useless. You can see similar patterns in every book that has walkers (except for the maulerfiend because it moves fast)

Yeah, every kind of CC walker is utterly outclassed by just about every MC out there, both in speed, killing power, initiative and durability. The only exception is deepstriking AV13 walkers, but they are still weak to melta.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't think it will be standalone.

The way it reads suggests it is purely a supplement, talking about how you can field "an Inquisitor and their retinue in any Imperial army".

You are missing this part of the statement:

"....or field them as an army in their own right."

Which is kind of clear that there will be some amount of standalone capability. If this brings back forces similar to those available in Codex Daemonhunters and Witchhunters again I'll be sad for once for selling off my armies from those books after they were no longer valid options.

Skriker

I would wet my pants a little if there were Arbites or counts as equivalents in this dex.

Give me a BS 4 guardsmen with LD 8, carapace armour and a shotgun for under 10 pts and I'd be so happy.

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
I would wet my pants a little if there were Arbites or counts as equivalents in this dex.

Give me a BS 4 guardsmen with LD 8, carapace armour and a shotgun for under 10 pts and I'd be so happy.

If it's any help, IG vets are 10ppm with carapace and shotgun. Under 10ppm may happen in the next IG dex if not here.

 Paradigm wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
I would wet my pants a little if there were Arbites or counts as equivalents in this dex.

Give me a BS 4 guardsmen with LD 8, carapace armour and a shotgun for under 10 pts and I'd be so happy.

If it's any help, IG vets are 10ppm with carapace and shotgun. Under 10ppm may happen in the next IG dex if not here.

I use the IG codex currently to represent my 2000pts Arbite army. I am hoping that I might be able to get a cheaper or better options while staying fluffly. Than I could ally them to IG to get extra stuff. I also know that the new IG book is coming out soon and I wanted a back up plan in case GW got rid of my carapace vets with shotguns from the book.

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
I would wet my pants a little if there were Arbites or counts as equivalents in this dex.

Give me a BS 4 guardsmen with LD 8, carapace armour and a shotgun for under 10 pts and I'd be so happy.

If it's any help, IG vets are 10ppm with carapace and shotgun. Under 10ppm may happen in the next IG dex if not here.

I use the IG codex currently to represent my 2000pts Arbite army. I am hoping that I might be able to get a cheaper or better options while staying fluffly. Than I could ally them to IG to get extra stuff. I also know that the new IG book is coming out soon and I wanted a back up plan in case GW got rid of my carapace vets with shotguns from the book.

Fair enough. I can't see the shotgun carapace vets going anywhere, but I agree 10ppm is a little pricey, so a reduction either in codex: inq or IG would be more than welcome.

I also don't foresee GW cutting the shotgun carapace vets but you never know. I just want to have a back up plan. I've invested a ton of money into this army (80% of my infantry use the old 2ed Arbite models bought on ebay piece by piece) So I want to make sure I don't have to shelve it.

evildrcheese wrote:You gotta admit that it makes good business sense though. Release a cheap stop-gap dex to shift some stock. A year later release a proper dex with new model support. (Not a rumour, just speculation).

D

Oh, I think it's brilliant. You breathe a little life into some niche armt list, move old stock, plus you can sell digital dexes with recycled artwork and fluff for premium prices

Kirasu wrote:

The problem with penitent engines isn't entirely limited to just them. GW as a whole actually believes that walkers are good in close combat as if the new CC rules + grenades didn't totally make them useless. You can see similar patterns in every book that has walkers (except for the maulerfiend because it moves fast)

Again, speculating here, but the reason pengines weren't given a bump is because existing stock is low, there is no desire to shift them to finecast, and producing more would be too costly. You don' t give old models a buff unless you're looking to sell lots of them.

MrFlutterPie wrote:I would wet my pants a little if there were Arbites or counts as equivalents in this dex.

Give me a BS 4 guardsmen with LD 8, carapace armour and a shotgun for under 10 pts and I'd be so happy.

Do they have Arbite models available to sell to you? If the answer is no, then they will not be included in the 'dex. It really is a quite simple formula for GW.

I love conspiracy theorists! When convenient, GW is incomptent and can't get anything right. Also, when convenient, GW has a masterful grasp of sales and planning strategies in order to dupe the customer at every turn.

It's just like when people accuse the government of massive conspiracies when they can't even balance a budget.

 pretre wrote:
I love conspiracy theorists! When convenient, GW is incomptent and can't get anything right. Also, when convenient, GW has a masterful grasp of sales and planning strategies in order to dupe the customer at every turn.

It's just like when people accuse the government of massive conspiracies when they can't even balance a budget.

It is possible that neither idea, in either GW or Government, is mutually exclusive to the other.

 azreal13 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I love conspiracy theorists! When convenient, GW is incomptent and can't get anything right. Also, when convenient, GW has a masterful grasp of sales and planning strategies in order to dupe the customer at every turn.

It's just like when people accuse the government of massive conspiracies when they can't even balance a budget.

It is possible that neither idea, in either GW or Government, is mutually exclusive to the other.

Possible, but unlikely. I like to think of GW as one of those delightful British Comics, dashing about ineptly while a lively soundtrack plays. Occasionally they do something brilliantly good or remarkably bad, but mostly they just make me smile.

By "delightful British comics" you mean Benny Hill don't you?

There's more than that, Fawlty Towers and fart jokes to Brit comedy I'll have you know!!

 azreal13 wrote:
By "delightful British comics" you mean Benny Hill don't you?

There's more than that, Fawlty Towers and fart jokes to Brit comedy I'll have you know!!

Mr Bean, Benny Hill, etc. I'm well aware of others but I like to think of GW as delightfully inept.

most people are quick to lable gw as incompetant because they have no idea how innefficient and gaff-prone large businesses are. The company i work for practically makes gw look streamlined and efficient, off the top of my head in the last couple of months we have had to return around a dozen pallets of packaging due to a miss-print, and continued production of a line the day after our customer told us to stop.

We also found out our logistics company were over charging us £1000 a week, and they were gak anyway. And we only ship things around the uk...god only knows the challanges in sending hundreds of products throughout the world.

I don't really understand the critisism on this one. Yes, there are no new models...but we will be getting complex and cool rules for making our own custom inquisitors, *and* it is a lot cheaper than regular codexes. It is also digital only so it seems that it isn't taking away any resources from actual codexes.

xruslanx wrote:
It is also digital only so it seems that it isn't taking away any resources from actual codexes.

Not quite. At least some of the same people that do the regular codexes still have to put time into making these, when they could be working on a regular non-digital codex. We know that Cruddace worked on the AS Digital Codex.

That said, interested to see who'll be writing this one.

 pretre wrote:
I love conspiracy theorists! When convenient, GW is incomptent and can't get anything right. Also, when convenient, GW has a masterful grasp of sales and planning strategies in order to dupe the customer at every turn.

It's just like when people accuse the government of massive conspiracies when they can't even balance a budget.

My suppositions have nothing to do with conspiracy theories. GW makes decisions based upon making money (derp). They make plenty of mistakes, too. The latter has nothing to do with the former except in cases where the latter gets in the way of the former. Contrary to popular belief, a company does not stay in business for 25 years without some decent business acumen.

As for the government, your ignorance of reality astounding. Managing the rumor-monger thread is just your speed.

 the_Armyman wrote:
My suppositions have nothing to do with conspiracy theories. GW makes decisions based upon making money (derp). They make plenty of mistakes, too. The latter has nothing to do with the former except in cases where the latter gets in the way of the former. Contrary to popular belief, a company does not stay in business for 25 years without some decent business acumen.

Defensive much? I am actually pro GW and use that same argument most of the time. To think that everything they do has some hidden motive (the current 'moving metal stocks' theory) gives them a bit too much credit though.

As for the government, your ignorance of reality astounding.

Oh oh. Are you a truther?

Managing the rumor-monger thread is just your speed.

Thanks! I love it when people appreciate the hard work I put in.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I love conspiracy theorists! When convenient, GW is incomptent and can't get anything right. Also, when convenient, GW has a masterful grasp of sales and planning strategies in order to dupe the customer at every turn.

It's just like when people accuse the government of massive conspiracies when they can't even balance a budget.

My suppositions have nothing to do with conspiracy theories. GW makes decisions based upon making money (derp). They make plenty of mistakes, too. The latter has nothing to do with the former except in cases where the latter gets in the way of the former. Contrary to popular belief, a company does not stay in business for 25 years without some decent business acumen.

As for the government, your ignorance of reality astounding. Managing the rumor-monger thread is just your speed.

Correct, however, riding on the coat tails of a few talented individuals and an incredibly successful movie series, then surfing the wave of your own momentum for a decade or so is eminently achievable.

Without going too far off topic, I don't think that's fair to GW. Attributing all their success to a couple individuals and LoTR is missing a lot of their history.

Wouldn't say a couple. Maybe six? As many as ten I could see an argument for.

They're not a one man show by any means, but without a few key names, they'd probably be just another footnote in wargaming history.

 azreal13 wrote:
Wouldn't say a couple. Maybe six? As many as ten I could see an argument for.

They're not a one man show by any means, but without a few key names, they'd probably be just another footnote in wargaming history.

Well yeah. You can pretty much say that about any successful company. Without the top 6-10 people, this company never would have succeeded.

That's like saying 'You know that sports team wouldn't be any good without it's top 4-5 players...' Well yeah.

Having had spent time dealing with the bureaucracy of the government, I am amazed they ever manage to do anything.

The government aside, I'm not going to really count on GW doing anything to reduce metal stock when they can just as easily melt it down and resell it to a distributor (potentially at a loss) much more quickly than clear space by updating armies like this.

 pretre wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Wouldn't say a couple. Maybe six? As many as ten I could see an argument for.

They're not a one man show by any means, but without a few key names, they'd probably be just another footnote in wargaming history.

Well yeah. You can pretty much say that about any successful company. Without the top 6-10 people, this company never would have succeeded.

That's like saying 'You know that sports team wouldn't be any good without it's top 4-5 players...' Well yeah.

Not over a 30 year period you couldn't, there would be literally dozens of names on the list in any successful sports team's history, but that's where the analogy falls down.

But we digress!

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The government aside, I'm not going to really count on GW doing anything to reduce metal stock when they can just as easily melt it down and resell it to a distributor (potentially at a loss) much more quickly than clear space by updating armies like this.

Though that said, I think we can be pretty sure that the AS codex sold well, given this. How well that translated into sales of metal minis I'm not sure, but I'd imagine that there was certainly a spike in purchases of them.

 azreal13 wrote:
Not over a 30 year period you couldn't, there would be literally dozens of names on the list in any successful sports team's history, but that's where the analogy falls down.

But we digress!

Alright, stupid analogy was stupid. You could say that for many successful companies though.