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Isn't there a rule that intentionally Godwin'ing something doesn't count? I imagine the same thing would apply for Draigo'ing.
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xruslanx wrote: It is also digital only so it seems that it isn't taking away any resources from actual codexes.
The real issue with digital codecies is that they are only sold to a small part of the community. I don't own an apple tablet and barring one magically appearing in my hands for free I don't ever intend to. So until they start selling their digital products through Goggle's mobile store it is irritating in the least, because I would definitely buy this book. if I actually had access to it.
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This is becoming one of the single most annoying misconceptions about GW. They have made it incredibly clear between the digital Facebook page and Black Library, as well as in the descriptions of the products that they are available on a multitude of formats. It is only the enhance versions that is iPad exclusive, which is fine, since you pay a big fat premium on top of the standard price.
Wait....$10USD is a premium?
Is it $10USD more than the standard issue? Yes, then it us a premium, I never said how great a premium it was, but it is still a premium.
It's only $10 more than the BL version, but is the same cost as normal books. I don't see that as a premium, I see the BL one as a discount.
Isn't there a rule that intentionally Godwin'ing something doesn't count? I imagine the same thing would apply for Draigo'ing.
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Eldercaveman wrote: And the fact this comes up about 20 times in every digital thread, and gets clarified in every single thread, it can become very tiring. My rant wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. Nor should it be taken that way, more at the general misconception. Happening, over and over and over... But meh, I'm tired maybe I'm just getting ratty.
There. I added it to my sig. Draigo's Law was getting tired anyways.
You should have had Kid Kyoto make a little graphic out of it. That would be hilarious.
GamesWorkshop wrote: And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
Eldercaveman wrote: And the fact this comes up about 20 times in every digital thread, and gets clarified in every single thread, it can become very tiring. My rant wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. Nor should it be taken that way, more at the general misconception. Happening, over and over and over... But meh, I'm tired maybe I'm just getting ratty.
There. I added it to my sig. Draigo's Law was getting tired anyways.
I think every thread about digital products needs to put it in the title.
Eldercaveman wrote: And the fact this comes up about 20 times in every digital thread, and gets clarified in every single thread, it can become very tiring. My rant wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. Nor should it be taken that way, more at the general misconception. Happening, over and over and over... But meh, I'm tired maybe I'm just getting ratty.
There. I added it to my sig. Draigo's Law was getting tired anyways.
I think every thread about digital products needs to put it in the title.
I know when I do my review of the Inquisition codex here in a couple of days I'm covering that in paragraph 1 just to get it out of the way.
Eldercaveman wrote: And the fact this comes up about 20 times in every digital thread, and gets clarified in every single thread, it can become very tiring. My rant wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. Nor should it be taken that way, more at the general misconception. Happening, over and over and over... But meh, I'm tired maybe I'm just getting ratty.
You and me both on the tired and ratty side of things...let's just move on then. We seem to have hit a sudden busy cycle in our fire calls with way too many late night calls and 2 working fires in the last 3 days, so feeling a bit sleep deprived on this end of the conversation...
I generally don't spend much time in the digital edition threads due to not knowing they had finally expanded to other formats, so never saw those notices either. Being a big fan of the earlier mostly failed "hunters" codecies I jumped into this one to check things out. Checked my latest white dwarf mags and in October they started adding in an "ebook" section to the Digital downloads part of the mag, but the big obvious wording and text is still about apple, ipads and the iBook store so I just never noticed and kept moving on as before. As I said in one of my follow ups I am happier knowing this now.
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ClockworkZion wrote: It's only $10 more than the BL version, but is the same cost as normal books. I don't see that as a premium, I see the BL one as a discount.
I generally find the pricing schema behind ebooks in general to be rather crazy. Same price as the actual book which needs to be printed, stored, and have a shipping infrastructure available to get it to the customer when all the customer has to do is click to buy and download. Would really like to see better pricing. The fact that GW has the "non-enhanced" versions for less than book shelf price is actually rather bizzare within the context of GW's normal approach to pricing. Still not sure a $10 discount is enough to make me buy all the books like I did in previous editions, though. Have to think on that...
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Grey Templar wrote: The Riptide can't be a giant death robot, its completely lacking a sword or massive chainsaw. All giant death robots have swords or massive chainsaws.
I haven't pre-ordered it yet, but I think I'm going to.
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I haven't pre-ordered it yet, but I think I'm going to.
I have.
For anyone who is on the fence about it, I'll be posting a review up as quickly as I can after it goes live. I'll then link it here so people can read it an get an idea of if they want/need the book or not.
I haven't pre-ordered it yet, but I think I'm going to.
I have.
For anyone who is on the fence about it, I'll be posting a review up as quickly as I can after it goes live. I'll then link it here so people can read it an get an idea of if they want/need the book or not.
Thank you Zion, Im really on the fence about this. I'll need that extra bump in order for me to consider buying it.
I sold some stuff last night, so broke and pre-ordered.
Funny story, if you buy multiples of the codex it is only 15.99. Almost bought two. lol
edit: Since it came up last time, here's the T&CS
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E-books
When you purchase an e-book, you necessarily purchase a license to use that e-book in a very specific way. It is important that you understand the things that you can and cannot do with your e-book.
Where you have paid for your e-book
This license is made between:
(1) Games Workshop Limited t/a Black Library, Willow Road, Lenton, Nottingham, NG7 2WS, United Kingdom ("Black Library"); and
(2) the purchaser of an e-book product from Black Library website ("You/you/Your/your")
(jointly, "the parties")
These are the terms and conditions that apply when you purchase an e-book ("e-book") from Black Library. The parties agree that in consideration of the fee paid by you, Black Library grants you a license to use the e-book on the following terms:
Black Library grants to you a personal, non-exclusive, non-transferable, royalty-free license to use the e-book in the following ways:
1.1 to store the e-book on any number of electronic devices and/or storage media (including, by way of example only, personal computers, e-book readers, mobile phones, portable hard drives, USB flash drives, CDs or DVDs) which are personally owned by you;
1.2 to access the e-book using an appropriate electronic device and/or through any appropriate storage media; and
1.3 to print one (1) hard copy of the e-book for your personal use only. If you accidentally destroy or damage this hard copy, you shall be entitled to create a further copy provided that you obliterate any remaining elements of the previous copy.
For the avoidance of doubt, you are ONLY licensed to use the e-book as described in paragraph 1 above. You may NOT use or store the e-book in any other way. If you do, Black Library shall be entitled to terminate this license.
Further to the general restriction at paragraph 2, Black Library shall be entitled to terminate this license in the event that you use or store the e-book (or any part of it) in any way not expressly licensed. This includes (but is by no means limited to) the following circumstances:
3.1 you provide the e-book to any company, individual or other legal person who does not possess a license to use or store it;
3.2 you make the e-book available on bit-torrent sites, or are otherwise complicit in 'seeding' or sharing the e-book with any company, individual or other legal person who does not possess a license to use or store it;
3.3 you print and distribute hard copies of the e-book to any company, individual or other legal person who does not possess a license to use or store it;
3.4 You attempt to reverse engineer, bypass, alter, amend, remove or otherwise make any change to any copy protection technology which may be applied to the e-book.
By purchasing an e-book, you agree for the purposes of the Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000 that Black Library may commence the service (of provision of the e-book to you) prior to your ordinary cancellation period coming to an end, and that by purchasing an e-book, your cancellation rights shall end immediately upon receipt of the e-book.
You acknowledge that all copyright, trademark and other intellectual property rights in the e-book are, shall remain, the sole property of Black Library.
On termination of this license, howsoever effected, you shall immediately and permanently delete all copies of the e-book from your computers and storage media, and shall destroy all hard copies of the e-book which you have derived from the e-book.
Black Library shall be entitled to amend these terms and conditions from time to time by written notice to you.
These terms and conditions shall be governed by English law, and shall be subject only to the jurisdiction of the Courts in England and Wales.
If any part of this license is illegal, or becomes illegal as a result of any change in the law, then that part shall be deleted, and replaced with wording that is as close to the original meaning as possible without being illegal.
Any failure by Black Library to exercise its rights under this license for whatever reason shall not be in any way deemed to be a waiver of itsrights, and in particular, Black Library reserves the right at all times to terminate this license in the event that you breach clause 2 or clause 3.
Free e-books
This license is made between:
(1) Games Workshop Limited t/a Black Library, Willow Road , Lenton, Nottingham, NG7 2WS, United Kingdom ("Black Library"); and
(2) the person who downloads an e-book product from the Black Library website ("You/you/Your/your")
(jointly, "the parties")
These are the terms and conditions that apply when you download an e-book ("e-book) from Black Library. The parties agree that in consideration of the mutual promises made herein, Black Library grants you a license to use the e-book on the following terms:
Black Library grants to you a personal, non-exclusive, non-transferable, royalty-free license to use the e-book in the following ways:
1.1 to store the e-book on any number of electronic devices and/or storage media (including, by way of example only, personal computers, e-book readers, mobile phones, portable hard drives, USB flash drives, CDs or DVDs) which are personally owned by you;
1.2 to access the e-book using an appropriate electronic device and/or through any appropriate storage media; and
1.3 to print one (1) hard copy of the e-book for your personal use only. If you accidentally destroy or damage this hard copy, you shall be entitled to create a further copy provided that you destroy any remaining elements of the previous copy.
For the avoidance of doubt, you are ONLY licensed to use the e-book as described in paragraph 1 above. You may NOT use or store the e-book in any other way. If you do, Black Library shall be entitled to terminate this license.
Further to the general restriction at paragraph 2, Black Library shall be entitled to terminate this license AT ANY TIME. Black Library is most likely to do so in the following circumstances:
3.1 you provide the e-book to any company, individual or other legal person who does not possess a license to use or store it;
3.2 you make the e-book available on bit-torrent sites, or are otherwise complicit in 'seeding' or sharing the e-book with any company, individual or other legal person who does not possess a license to use or store it;
3.3 you print and distribute hard copies of the e-book to any company, individual or other legal person who does not possess a license to use or store it;
3.4 You attempt to reverse engineer, bypass, alter, amend, remove or otherwise make any change to any copy protection technology which may be applied to the e-book.
By downloading an e-book, you agree for the purposes of the Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000 that Black Library may commence the service (of provision of the e-book to you) prior to your ordinary cancellation period coming to an end, and that by purchasing an e-book, your cancellation rights shall end immediately upon receipt of the e-book.
You acknowledge that all copyright, trademark and other intellectual property rights in the e-book are, shall remain, the sole property of Black Library.
On termination of this license, howsoever effected, you shall immediately and permanently delete all copies of the e-book from your computers and storage media, and shall destroy all hard copies of the e-book which you have derived from the e-book.
Black Library shall be entitled to amend these terms and conditions from time to time by written notice to you.
These terms and conditions shall be governed by English law, and shall be subject only to the jurisdiction of the Courts in England and Wales.
If any part of this license is illegal, or becomes illegal as a result of any change in the law, then that part shall be deleted, and replaced with wording that is as close to the original meaning as possible without being illegal. Any failure by Black Library to exercise its rights under this license for whatever reason shall not be in any way deemed to be a waiver of its rights, and in particular, Black Library reserves the right at all times to terminate this license in the event that you breach clause 2 or clause 3.
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You know, after I read the full terms and service agreement, I find it laughable. How do they expect to enforce a person only printing out one copy? If you break their conditions you must terminate your hard copy? They gonna go to everyone's house and check the bookshelf? Telling them torrents are illegal makes sense. That can technically be monitored. Sharing with friends can somewhat be monitored at a store. Making yourself two copies? Ridiculous. And I'd say that about any company. A better clause would probably be around the lines of "we realize we can't enforce 1 hard copy limits on all of our customers, but for each copy we sell, it improves our abilities to continue paying the team that makes digital codexes possible. Please support them in their hard work." Or maybe I'm just nuts. I'm actually considering grabbing this, since it looks like I can use it just on my laptop and possibly my kindle (I have an older black and white that still has ads on it). I'm jut mocking their terms and services. Again, I'd mock anyone who put those particular unenforceable demands together.
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1.3 to print one (1) hard copy of the e-book for your personal use only. If you accidentally destroy or damage this hard copy, you shall be entitled to create a further copy provided that you obliterate any remaining elements of the previous copy.
Wow. That's pretty strong - so shredding wouldn't be enough
timetowaste85 wrote: You know, after I read the full terms and service agreement, I find it laughable. How do they expect to enforce a person only printing out one copy? If you break their conditions you must terminate your hard copy? They gonna go to everyone's house and check the bookshelf? Telling them torrents are illegal makes sense. That can technically be monitored. Sharing with friends can somewhat be monitored at a store. Making yourself two copies? Ridiculous. And I'd say that about any company. A better clause would probably be around the lines of "we realize we can't enforce 1 hard copy limits on all of our customers, but for each copy we sell, it improves our abilities to continue paying the team that makes digital codexes possible. Please support them in their hard work." Or maybe I'm just nuts. I'm actually considering grabbing this, since it looks like I can use it just on my laptop and possibly my kindle (I have an older black and white that still has ads on it). I'm jut mocking their terms and services. Again, I'd mock anyone who put those particular unenforceable demands together.
It is not like they are going to enforce this house by house. However, this gives them standing should they catch you mass producing them.
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Grey Templar wrote: The Riptide can't be a giant death robot, its completely lacking a sword or massive chainsaw. All giant death robots have swords or massive chainsaws.
Super Newb wrote: *facepalm.* How many times are people going to make the same comment about pre-ordering. Let it go already.
As long as there is no bonuses or pre-install , i agree with hbmc on preordering digital. See no reason for it
no reason NOT to pre order it. (if you are going to buy it day one anyways)
Oh there can be lots of reason "not" to pre-order sth although they are incredibly off topic. I personally am not going to pre-order it at least until i see what i actually will buy. If not for GW digital i would be still wondering if it was like iyanden supplement with only 2 pages of rules and other stuff.
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Grey Templar wrote: The Riptide can't be a giant death robot, its completely lacking a sword or massive chainsaw. All giant death robots have swords or massive chainsaws.
Still not sure a $10 discount is enough to make me buy all the books like I did in previous editions, though. Have to think on that...
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