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Well, thanks to Deiyos, I've picked up a very cool, very pretty start to a large World Eaters army. Included in this army were a squad of the FW World Eaters Rampagers, so I decided to try and find a unit in C: CSM that would be worthy of these models. I was disappointed, however, to find that the regular chosen have only WS4! That bummed me out a bit as since my troop berzerkers have WS5, they would be more skilled than their 'elite' counterparts. Not ok!

So I decided to create one. Now, as the title says I've never tried this before. I have specific set of goals I'm trying to accomplish here:
1) Create a more elite feeling Berzerker-esque unit
2) Have the unit be worth it's points, but not overpowered
3) Try and get across that the unit is chosen by Khorne himself, and enjoys his constant attention
4) Keep the Weapon options simple and in keeping with the chainblade theme that is already present in the Zerkers.

So here is what I did:

A regular chosen model is 5 points per model (ppm) more expensive than a regular CSM. This is essentially a 38.5% increase for +1 A, +1 LD and the addition of a CCW. Using that percentage increase, I created the base points cost for a Chosen of Khorne:

WS BS S T W I A LD SV
Chosen of Khorne 5 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 3+
Champion of Khorne 5 4 4 4 1 4 3 10 3+

1 Champion of Khorne and 4 Chosen of Khorne: 185 points
May purchase up to 5 additional Chosen of Khorne (35 points per model)
Special Rules:
- Fearless, Furious Charge, Aura of Dark Majesty, Veterans of the Long War, Mark of Khorne
Equipment:
- Power Armor, Chain Axe, Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krak Grenades
Options:
- One model may be upgraded to take the Icon of Wrath (+20 Points)
- Any model may take an Executioner Pattern Chain Axe for +10 Points
- Executioner Pattern Chain Axe: +2 S, AP4, requires 2 hands, unwieldy, armor bane
- Any model may take an Eviscerator for +25 points
- Eviscerator: S x2, AP 2, Requires 2 hands, unwieldy, armor bane

what do you guys think? The unit doesn't have to be OMG Awesome! but I want it to be good enough to take in case they should ever make it into combat. I'm really a bit unsure about the points cost on the weapons. I have a hard time judging what a weapon is worth, regardless of what C:AS has to say about it! (I'm looking at you 30 point eviscerators!)

35pts each is way, way too high. No model should ever cost that much when it is still T4, 3+, 1 Wound. It's essentially a Berzerker that loses Scoring, in exchange for a 5+ Invul? I'd say 25pts as a maximum, even then it's probably too high.

I think the costing of the Eviscerator is appropriate although the Executioner is probably 5pts too high. I'd also look into increasing the options to include Power Weapons, Power Fists and Plasma Pistols at the very least.

Thanks for the input!

I had originally intend for these guys to be the surviving members of the legion's rampager squads, and so I was planning on including all of the weapon options that the rampager squad has in with these guys. The biggest problem is that I don't have the rules for the rampager squad (the HH betrayal book is on my Christmas list) so I don't know what else to include. I know I want to add in the power weapons and the chain weapons (the meteor hammer and the chain-blade thingy), but I don't have the rules or the points cost.

I was worried the points cost was to high. Is 25 ppm still to high even if these guys have all that they have? Essentially they do lose scoring but they gain 1 A, 2 LD (VotLW makes the troopers LD 10), a 5++ and a standard chain axe. I don't really know what all of that is worth, and I certainly don't know how to scale points in regards to toughness and saves and such.

Edit: I also wanted to mention that I'm planning on limiting these guys since I imagine that the surviving rampagers would be few and far between (if in fact any survive at all) so you can only take one squad per HQ choice from CSM with the Mark of Khorne.

Power fists are generally 30pts, another 5pts for armourbane is a bargain as far as I'm concerned.

I don't really see why these can't be Berserkers tbh.

As they are now I'd say they're a bit weak for Khorne's chosen superdudes.

If you really want to change them, maybe use Dark Eldar Wyches as a base? A 4+ invuln in close combat to represent dodging, and special gladiator weapons that are either purchasable or randomized at the start of the game / each turn to get one of;

1 - 2CCW, -1 A from enemies in base contact
2- 2CCW giving +1d6 attacks rather than +1
3 - Re-roll to hit and to wound

That would account for the gladiator aspect, now just needs a Khorne's favour thing.

Powerfists are normally 25pts, a Chainfist is 30pts. The Eviscerator used to be treated as a chainfist but now its slightly worse in that its 2 Handed, not a Specialist Weapon. 30pts is perfect.

Yeah I meant to say 25pts. Regardless the price is right in this case

godswildcard wrote:
Well, thanks to Deiyos, I've picked up a very cool, very pretty start to a large World Eaters army. Included in this army were a squad of the FW World Eaters Rampagers, so I decided to try and find a unit in C: CSM that would be worthy of these models. I was disappointed, however, to find that the regular chosen have only WS4! That bummed me out a bit as since my troop berzerkers have WS5, they would be more skilled than their 'elite' counterparts. Not ok!

So I decided to create one. Now, as the title says I've never tried this before. I have specific set of goals I'm trying to accomplish here:
1) Create a more elite feeling Berzerker-esque unit
2) Have the unit be worth it's points, but not overpowered
3) Try and get across that the unit is chosen by Khorne himself, and enjoys his constant attention
4) Keep the Weapon options simple and in keeping with the chainblade theme that is already present in the Zerkers.

So here is what I did:

A regular chosen model is 5 points per model (ppm) more expensive than a regular CSM. This is essentially a 38.5% increase for +1 A, +1 LD and the addition of a CCW. Using that percentage increase, I created the base points cost for a Chosen of Khorne:

WS BS S T W I A LD SV
Chosen of Khorne 5 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 3+
Champion of Khorne 5 4 4 4 1 4 3 10 3+

1 Champion of Khorne and 4 Chosen of Khorne: 185 points
May purchase up to 5 additional Chosen of Khorne (35 points per model)
Special Rules:
- Fearless, Furious Charge, Aura of Dark Majesty, Veterans of the Long War, Mark of Khorne
Equipment:
- Power Armor, Chain Axe, Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krak Grenades
Options:
- One model may be upgraded to take the Icon of Wrath (+20 Points)
- Any model may take an Executioner Pattern Chain Axe for +10 Points
- Executioner Pattern Chain Axe: +2 S, AP4, requires 2 hands, unwieldy, armor bane
- Any model may take an Eviscerator for +25 points
- Eviscerator: S x2, AP 2, Requires 2 hands, unwieldy, armor bane

what do you guys think? The unit doesn't have to be OMG Awesome! but I want it to be good enough to take in case they should ever make it into combat. I'm really a bit unsure about the points cost on the weapons. I have a hard time judging what a weapon is worth, regardless of what C:AS has to say about it! (I'm looking at you 30 point eviscerators!)

It's a hell of a lot of points for a unit which while will deal a fair bit of damage to anything they get in CC with, drop just as easily as normal CSM or Chosen. Frankly, they're just not that good since when you start adding upgrades you could just take Terminators for cheaper, which are better in every sense apart from -1WS. A unit of regular Chosen upgraded to be as similar as possible would cost 185pts, and that's including MoK, VotLW and giving them all Power Weapons instead of Chainaxes since regular Chosen can't take them. Honestly, you'd need to cut the cost down a lot to make them worth it, perhaps 120pts would be appropriate, but as it stands, I couldn't see anyone having much success with them.


Also, you've left out the rules for Aura of Dark Majesty

Thats just the 4+ invuln isn't it?

Aura of Dark (Glory? I think is the correct term) gives a 5++. Sigil of Corruption grants a 4++

Ok, so taking into consideration what pretty much everyone has said here, how about...

Stats:
Chosen of Khorne 5 4 4 4 1 4 2 10 3+
Champion of Khorne 5 4 4 4 1 4 3 10 3+

Cost: 135 for 4 Chosen of Khorne and 1 Champion of Khorne.
May add up to 5 additional Chosen of Khorne for +25 points per model

Special Rules:
- Fearless, Furious Charge, Aura of Dark Majesty (5++), Veterans of the Long War (+1 LD, Hatred: Space Marines, bonus included above), Mark of Khorne

Equipment:
-Power Armor, Chain Axe, Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krak Grenades

Options:
-Up to four models may exchange their bolt pistol for a plasma pistol for +15 points
-One model may be upgraded to take the Icon of Wrath (+20 points)
-Any model may take an Executioner Pattern Chain Axe for +10 Points (S +2, AP4, requires 2 hands, unwieldy, armorbane)
-Any model may take an eviscerator for +25 points (S x2, AP 2, requires 2 hands, unwieldy, armorbane)
-Any model may take a chainfist for +30 points
-Any model may take a power axe for +15 points
-The Champion of Khorne may take a Gift of Mutation for +10 points
-The Champion of Khorne may be upgraded to a level 1 psyker for +30 points (JUST KIDDING!! )

Followers of the Skull Throne: You may only take one unit of Chosen of Khorne for every one HQ choice with the mark of Khorne in your army. Note that bodyguard units such as Zhufor the Impaler's Skulltakers Bodyguard do not count as an HQ choice
Chosen steed: The unit may select a Chaos Land Raider as a dedicated transport.
Embodiment of Hatred: Choose one enemy unit in the opposing army. For the duration of the game, the Chosen of Khorne have Hatred for the selected unit

Thoughts on that? Just trying to flesh them out a bit more. Added a few more options. I'm kind of thinking that I don't want to include a powerfist options just because I'm wanting to stick with the Chain or Axe theme. That said, I did add a few more options for the squad to give them a bit more diversity. I also decided to give them the option to take a Land Raider because A) Someone in the Chaos book needs that option and B) it makes sense that these guys ride in style. Also particularly interested in what you guys think of the poorly-named Embodiment of Hatred rule. Too much?