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They are quite like Marine bikers but with a inbuilt character upgrade and more H-t-H focussed

Hmmm, squats are very similar to dwarves right?

Maybe a bonus to hammer of wrath hits due to (dwarves are amazing smiths? in 40k they could have high grade stuff) superior bikes than that of other races.

 Swastakowey wrote:
Ok its a start, but we need an idea behind it, being a vehicle i think its pretty good except only transports 5, maybe it can be a dual battle tank / transport (like a falcon) or be a strait up transport (wave serpent) Maybe let it trade its weapons for transport space or its transport space for weapons? or maybe even make a chasis and from there you can pick and choose bits to vreate the vehicle you need?

That sounds cool we can always have more than one vehicle too, I did the transport capacity 5 because they are mercenaries and usually are small squads and also if you want you can addsome spikes or razors to it and if it gets charged every model has to take a dangerous terrain check.

I like that kroot monstrous creature but maybe we should put like a tamer or master to it?

Also did you mean scout bikers instead of squat?

I have an idea to modify Sistersidneys sister of battle light bike.

Dat Guy wrote:

I like that kroot monstrous creature but maybe we should put like a tamer or master to it?

How about maybe a sort of Rider that fires a turret on top of it (then again, that would be the krootox all over again). The rider could also have a powerful melee weapon that it uses when it assaults.

Also did you mean scout bikers instead of squat?

I don't think so. I think squats were a xenos race in 40k that were the sci-fi equivalent of dwarves.

Alright so first of all which one will we work on first, the kroot and squats are well developed so i say we

do the kroot first
then squats
then the vehicle?

That way we get it done one at a time.

Yeah, let's get the kroot done first. That way, that will leave us with some time to think of how to work on the vehicle.

Agreed, so we have a monsterous creature that seems stealthy and fast. Maybe we can do a think where you mark an enemy model after deployement and if that model is slain by the moster it gets a bonus? Has to be an HQ of sorts.

Something to emphasize the hunter/predator thing.

Found this on the Lexicanum:

A unique feature of the Kroot is that they evolve by absorbing the traits of other species, a process accomplished by eating their flesh. Due to this, the many Kroot warbands across the galaxy often look radically different

How about this kroot unit is sort of unconsciously power addicted and seeks leaders and other powerful opponents to devour and in turn, absorb their traits?

Wow very cool. That's perfect I think

Should we maybe add a benefit to killing said HQ? Any idea what the benefit should be?

Here is an idea

Whebever the model defeats an enemy character they may choose on USR that the unit does not already have. They may not take a USR granted from wargear. If it slays a warlord it may, in addition to taking on USR take the warlord trait also.

Seem cool?

Yes that does seem cool and makes sense.

Awesome, So we keep him the same with the one change above? ill add him to the list later too. Next is squat bikes.

So is that a no on the transport vehicle?
Alsofor the bikes I was working on.

They are light and basic bikes nothing durable like space marines. But its light so the speed is greater.

The profile would be ws 3 bs 3 s 3 t 3 I 3 ld 7 AS 4 and 1 attack base. The unit because they are so fast have the furious charge special rule. They can also move a further d6 in both its Movement and turbo boosting but when they do each model has to take a dangerous terrain check. Also if they have to take an initiative check for winning or losing an assault they add +1.. They have a squad size of 4-8.


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Forgot to add their war gear, the bike is armed with a twin linked auto gun. Each model may take a flamer at 4 points per model and their base point cost is 28?


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Crap meant 5 points not 4


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Two models may take chain axes which give +1 str and AP 5. The squad leader may take a chain axe or a power sword. Power sword costs 15 points, the chain axe costs 10 points. 2 models may take melta bombs too, I think at 5 or 10 points.

We will do the transport vehicle but we may as well get these ideas out of the way as they are already mostly done. I like it, so squat speed bikers? Anyone disagree? i like them because its different and unique.

Sounds good to me!

Awesome, now for the tank.

I reckon we start with a basic armour 12 tank with 12 transport capacity then we can buy weapons for it and each weapon takes up X amount of transport space. Any ideas?

Well here are a few ideas for weapons:

- Twin Linked Heavy bolter (4 transport space)
- Twin Linked Heavy Flamer (3 transport space)
- Twin Linked Missile Launcher (5 transport space)
- Multi Melta (4 transport space)

- Sponson Heavy Bolters (5 transport space)
- Sponson Boltguns (up to 4 Boltguns, 1 transport space each)
- Sponson Lascannons (6 transport space)

- Storm Bolter (1 transport space)
- Hunter Killer Missile (1 transport space)

Looks good so far, maybe the option to remove 10 transport capacity for a bigger gun?

Sounds good but then we would need a gun to use for that.

Lascannons maybe? That or maybe we make a bigger gun to throw onto the vehicle? Sort of a big salvo-ish weapon might be nice.
Thunderfire cannon maybe?

Im thinking make a bigger gun to chuck on, maybe give it a skyfire weapon choice too?

Um, I got to jump in here, I would say I don't think it fits or make sense for it to have sky fire.

I don't know if you seen my own personal threads for space wolf stuff but the average person who posted disliked or thought it didn't fit or was not balanced.

I personally see their point now, also I would not think that mercenaries would have a anti air gun. Also that vehicle you guys are doing I think is to much for it bring a transport, either lessen the weapons or take out the transport capacity.


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Ok I like what you guys are doing with the customization of the tank but how about no transport capacity and the vehicle can have 3 weapons.

We break them down into 3 categories and you can pick from their, the short range can include heavy flamer, melta gun, shrapnel cannon all at 12"range or less. Next then you have medium range between 18"to 30" like an gatling gun, multi melta, surge cannon. Then you have long range 36"to 48" like a plasma cannon, a crude Las cannon, ragefire launcher.The shrapnel cannon is a 12"range large blast str 3 AP-nothing fleshbane. The surge cannon is 30" range small blast str 5 AP 3 gets hot armor bane. The ragefire launcher is 42"range heavy 3 str 6 AP -nothing soul blaze. The crude Las cannon is different by being str 8 instead of 9.

There, let me know if I have to clarify anything.


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Giving a big crazy gun to mercenaries that the other races have might not make sense.

Its a trade off. I can have a twin linked bolter and Carry 8 models or I can carry no models and take 3 bolters and carry nobody. I don't think that's very powerful. Its worse than other transports.and for the skyfire it will be like one weapon with skyfire not the whole tank. But its still in the idea phase.

I know what you meant about the skyfire gun, but what's the point? How does it make sense? Also at armor 12 all around and having a twin linked heavy Bolter with 8 capacity left is way over compared to the razorback which is armor 11 front and side and armor 10 on the rear, with a twin linked heavy Bolter it only has 6 transport capacity.

For anti air they have a dog fighter jet. Armor 11 all around equipped with 2 gatling guns and 4 striker missiles. It will have a special rule called bombing run. If it passes over a enemy unit it rolls a d3 it gets that many small blast s on that unit that roll to scatter as normal. The bombs are str 5 AP 6.

The striker missiles are str 9 AP 3

a chimera has 2 heavy bolters armour 12 (not all round but the mercianry one was just meant to have front 12) plus a storm bolter a hunter killer, 6 fire ports and 12 transport capacity. Plus more upgrades. So i wouldnt class it as powerful.

The idea (in my head) is that it can be a transport, OR a mobile light gun platform, or mobile light anti air, or a medium gun tank. So it can be a tank, or a transport kind of thing. Its gonna cost points and for aa 1 twin linked auto cannon is not much really. But if you really want to we can make seperate tanks for support and transport.

 Swastakowey wrote:
a chimera has 2 heavy bolters armour 12 (not all round but the mercianry one was just meant to have front 12) plus a storm bolter a hunter killer, 6 fire ports and 12 transport capacity. Plus more upgrades. So i wouldnt class it as powerful.

The idea (in my head) is that it can be a transport, OR a mobile light gun platform, or mobile light anti air, or a medium gun tank. So it can be a tank, or a transport kind of thing. Its gonna cost points and for aa 1 twin linked auto cannon is not much really. But if you really want to we can make seperate tanks for support and transport.

It's up to you

the way i see it is that it provides for the mercinaries a transport a tank or a bit of both without having to make 2+ vehicles for it. At the end of the day its not a scary tank and we have yet to tally up the points. But an armour 12/11/10 bare bones tank will pribably be around th 60 point mark?

Just a standard tank with no special rules.

Didn't someone mention a mercenary special rule where they're unreliable and may not show up for battle? We could put that onto the tank.

I was gonna make it a mercinary wide rule, because it is a good idea,.

Ah, okay. Well does anyone have anything else they would like to add or change to the vehicle?