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-_- it's ok if you didn't realize this but the ordinance rule you can only shoot just one ordinance or your other weapons. :p hunter killers are one shot each so.... I guess we can reduce it to 4 if you want.

I meant you could choose to fire D3 hunter killer's or fire the napalm. Because the napalm is far more effective than hunter killers so I think D3 hunter killers makes both weapon modes usegu.

Well a hunter killer missile is one use only and it's just a str 8 AP 3 at unlimited range. I put the hunter killer missiles on for looks and thinking since yes most vehicles have 3 hull points it generally takes more then 3 shots so with 6 one shot hunter killers as an all or nothing shoot out that might not even destroy a vehicle.


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I mean maybe the napalm is a little over kill also.


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Maybe we should just scrap this vehicle, that napalm is really powerful regardless of the gets hot.


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Well that's the thing also with multiple modes is I want trying to do that since both the whirlwind and thunderfire cannon have alternative ammunition. I was trying to give it a sense of individuality and with a str 5 AP 4 barrage 2 ignores cover it can get 10 hits with good scatters so that's why the gets hot. The hk missiles for fun.

Hmmmm maybe just let it fire 1 shot and make it heavy? That way its not too powerful and can fire a heavy stubber or something small along with it. Makes it a lot less powerful.

We should just leave it out.
What other units do we need?

:O we forgot HQ choices!

HQ and indepednant characters really. The cool special stuff

HQ? Hmm... These may be a little bland but here are a few ideas:

-Ork Kaptin
-Exiled Imperium... thing (Commissar? Exorcist?)
-A sort of renegade engineer (kind of like a techmarine that can build stuff like turrets, mine fields, or better cover)
-Dark Eldar assassin

SkavenLord wrote:
HQ? Hmm... These may be a little bland but here are a few ideas:

-Ork Kaptin
-Exiled Imperium... thing (Commissar? Exorcist?)
-A sort of renegade engineer (kind of like a techmarine that can build stuff like turrets, mine fields, or better cover)
-Dark Eldar assassin

Those are actually really cool, I can build off of some of that stuff and work with it.

I have an idea for an exiled imperium.....thing. Lol well it's more like a grizzled veteran who got stranded and left back on a hive world and worked his way up the chain as a big dog. Yeah let's make him a stranded commissar

Rogue Commissar: ws 4 BS 4 str 3 t 4 I 3 w 3 a 3 AS 4+ ld 10

He has a 5+ invulnerable save and he has a 5+ feel no pain for being so heavily cybernetic with bionics. He has night vision for his bionic eye. He also has the zealot special rule. He has the scout special rule. Any unit within 12"of this model has +1 to their leadership to maximum of 10.
His equipment is: refractor field, bionics, plasma pistol, power fist.

I just don't have an idea for his points. What's the base commissar in the ig codex worth?

commissar is 35, plus extra gear and all, 60 points (25 points for weapons) and then an extra 10 for ability is 70 points BUT that is the same price as a lord commissar.

If he's been stranded, maybe give him a special rule that if he's fighting an Imperium army, he gets Hatred (Imperium)?

Swastakowey wrote:commissar is 35, plus extra gear and all, 60 points (25 points for weapons) and then an extra 10 for ability is 70 points BUT that is the same price as a lord commissar.

Ok thank you for the points numbers, yeah I made an improved version of the basic commissar, I would personally say with what he has he would be 85-95 points. He is different then a lord commissar and I wouldn't say as skill full as one but my version is a special character commissar. We need to come up with a name!

SkavenLord wrote:If he's been stranded, maybe give him a special rule that if he's fighting an Imperium army, he gets Hatred (Imperium)?

Totally, that's a smart and awesome idea.


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Id say just imperial guard only for hatred not all imperium. And further to solidify this if he is in the same army as imperial guard he is treated as desperate allies.

Awesome sounds great. Maybe give him S 4 for bionics too?

 Swastakowey wrote:
Awesome sounds great. Maybe give him S 4 for bionics too?

Well, while that is not a bad idea. I already gave him +1 toughness and 5+ feel no pain because of bionics. And I gave him a powerfist to represent a cybernetic arm.

We can't make him too powerful swasta man

Plus I have other HQ leaders in mind who will be better then him in close combat.

Sorry didn't see the feel no pain. well thats easy enough lol. whats the next one?

Dark Eldar Pirate Captain: ws 6 BS 4 s 3 t 3 I 6 w 3 A 4 as 4+ ld 9

He has a 4+ invulnerable. He gets combat drugs from dark eldar codex. He is fearless. He has hatred everything and counts as desperate allies with anything that is not a mercenary. He causes fear. He has fleet. Stealth. Parry and riposte special rules.

The parry and riposte special rules are as follows; parry- in a challenge this dark eldar pirate captain has +1 toughness to represent he is harder to wound (yeah even though parry is like a dodge and would be something to do with a to hit but there would be complications from other rules that always hit on 3+ no matter what) and riposte is you can choose to for go all of your attacks and your opponent strikes first and you suffer no unsaved wounds you make 1 auto hit and the wound is resolved with a +1 to your strength and with an AP of 2 and its instant death.

His equipment is assault grenades, a power cutlass, 4+armor, something that gives a 4+ invulnerable. Splinter pistol.

The power cutlass is a power sword with +2 str.

Need to figure out points still.

Yea seems awesome. Hmmm not too sure on points probably between 95-115?

Ok, I think 115 is good and he will have the power from pain dark eldar special rule also.

Ok cool. Maybe an old AI unit character thats thousands of years old with unkowen origins?

Well... wait. Is the Dark Eldar pirate captain finished already? Wow, you guys work fast!

If we're finished working on that one, you could try a rogue machine spirit (man, there are a lot of rogue Imperium stuff in this codex).

true but imperium is the easiest. A rogue machine spirit... very interesting? Care to expand on that one id love to hear it. We also have eldar pirates too

I have something I an working on now that combines both your ideas.

Awesome fire away! (im not good at special characters im more of a unit guy) but im brewing something up for later.

Cyber Techno:

He well IT is the old age of lost technology that developed on it's own AI from the Mechanicus from Mars.

WS 3 BS 6 S 4 T 5 I 2 W 4 A 1 LD 10 AS 2+

He is fearless, has eternal warrior, he has a 4+ feel no pain. Touch of the Machine spirit, when it is embarked or in base to base contact with a friendly vehicle it gains the power of the machine spirit special rule as in codex space marines, further more if it assaults an enemy vehicle and hits his attacks roll on the armor penetration table with a -1 to the result.

He has precision of the machine spirit special rule, when shooting at a vehicle he ignores jink saves and further more he adds +1 to to armor penetration chart in addition to his weapon profile. For shooting only.

He has no invulnerable save just to clarify that was on purpose. His equipment is defensive grenades and a c
Ancient relic conversion cannon with the following profile:

Heavy 2 range 36" str 6 AP 1 and against vehicles only it has the rending special rule. It also has the over load special rule, if both to hit rolls are a result of 1 including after re rolls, the weapon over loads and it centers a large blast over this model and everything underneath it suffers a str 10 AP 1 instant death hit, if a look out sir is attempted against this and fails both models die (excluding if you make your invulnerable save) even if that model that look out sir was not under the blast.


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Sorry forgot points he would be around the 210 mark.

Yikes that thing looks powerful! This looks like it's going to cost a lot. 250 points maybe?

Ok maybe I over priced, more like 170 points?


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SkavenLord wrote:
Yikes that thing looks powerful! This looks like it's going to cost a lot. 250 points maybe?

Yeah points I think are going to be hard to calculate for him, he is great I admit it. I was trying to keep it more true to what the lost age of technology might represent and this mercenary codex doesn't have any strong anti tank weapons against a armor 14 vehicle besides this guy and the flyers str 9 missiles.

I know that the adeptus mechanicus used to have amazing technology but it was lost.


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Hmm he might be worth around 210 like my original post maybe even between 185 and 200?

He is good I admit it but at 250 I don't think he is as good as a land raider.

Maybe we can give him a hacking psycic ability where he can hack vehicles within 12" or something. (replace something he has got? Maybe but anti tank is definately needed.

 Swastakowey wrote:
Maybe we can give him a hacking psycic ability where he can hack vehicles within 12" or something. (replace something he has got? Maybe but anti tank is definately needed.

That is actually an interesting idea. Kinda does make sense too. Well that was basically why I gave him that is why I gave him touch of the machine spirit.

He is anti tank and with his +3 on the armor penetration table he gets at worst vehicle can't move and only fire snap shots. +4 if its opened top.

You did read his profile right?

Ok revamping him slightly the weapon profile is now strength 7. He gets the slow and purposeful special rule.

I got to think some on that psychic power I am 50/50 on it.

I meant you are right we needed the anti tank lol, hmmm when you have decided on the psycik power we can work out the points but im think 195 with the psycic power.

Yeah I was going over it and it doesn't make sense for him to have access to the warp he is artificial intelligence that evolved and took control of itself besides if a vehicle is within 12"just charge it you get two chances to hit and you don't have to roll to wound or glance or pen each hit counts as a pen you just roll on the armor penetration table.

Without the psychic power and with theincreased $str of gun with these new rules I am adding and changing. The gun is now assault 2 and he does not have slow and purposeful any more but he now has the option to over charge the gun for heavy 4 but it over loads on a single roll of 1 (you still can stop it if you re roll and don't a 1 again.) Your following shooting phase though roll 1d6 on a 4+ you can fire the gun again if not the gun needs time to cool down. This only happens when you fire in heavy 4 mode.

I would give him a final points of 195.

Sounds good to me! Oh also, by overload do you mean something like the gets hot rule or should we try a sort of template-ish thing? If we wanted to add a psychic power to the guy, we could give him a special rule that works like a psyker power that allows him to do this.