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I here there is rumor they are making a Plastic Manta kit....................................

Honestly, they will never make a plastic thunderhawk, all the rumors are, are just wishfull thinking.

One reasoning behined this is the fact that if you cant afford a FW TH the chances of you being able to afford a Plastic one is also very unlikely. being as it would probably still retail at around £200. there is no way they would sell it for the sub £100 mark like most of the Apoc sized items do.

Then there is the fact that the Thunderhawk as well as the Titans are some what of a trade mark of Forgeworld. A figure head if you like.

I can believe that someone has a plastic T-Hawk sitting on a computer, possibly as something they've been playing with to practice with the software, or maybe a proposal of a model that got shot down. But I can't imagine it's 7 full sized sprues. If it is then we're looking at a lot more stuff than we have now for the thing.

As for plastic Sisters, I believe they're "done" design-wise, and likely have been for a while. That is not to say that they're ready for casting, and may only now be as of Enter the Citadel (as in "have the greenlight"). I stand-by the soonest we'll see them being late 2014, and the latest being 2015. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but that's what my gut says on this.

As for the "Warrior's Code", who cares? If GW wants to make their events a little stricter (likely so they can only draw from a pool of the nicest possible models for the blog and WD as the events are run by sales) that's they're prerogative. It's no better/worse than any rules we see for events like NOVA.

Does anyone even think of GW as a gaming company anymore? Wasn't aware people did.

I can understand not allowing proxy's in tournaments or whatever, but the rest is ridiculous. Especially going after someone for using Dark Angel minis painted as White Scars. Let people put whatever damn color schemes on their models they want.

I'm disconcerted that plastic Sisters are rumoured with a plastic Thunder Hawk. Almost makes it seem less credible.

I want Zion to be correct and for us to see Sisters next year or in 2015 (or earlier!)

D

So the Warrior's Code is real: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=3500001&aId=2200016a

Having read through it, I don't think it's that bad. It's basically a list of guidelines that are intended to make the event enjoyable for all involved.

Also while proxies are banned, conversions are not, but they do want people to get with them ahead of time to ensure everything is seen as acceptable.


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 evildrcheese wrote:
I'm disconcerted that plastic Sisters are rumoured with a plastic Thunder Hawk. Almost makes it seem less credible.

I want Zion to be correct and for us to see Sisters next year or in 2015 (or earlier!)

D

I want to see me be correct too! I'm getting very tired carrying all these metal Sisters models around!

I'm surprised they didn't force you to buy the warriors code. I'd get the hardcover limited edition version with Space Marine sleeve!

Bell just posted up on their own Plastic T-Bird kit:

Then stuff like this started to show up from multiple sources:

-Plastic Thunderhawk - 2014
-Not an exact duplication of Forgeworld's kit due to the need to streamline for a limited number of sprues and boxing size limitations.
-Additional weapon hardpoints and weapon options compared to the Forgeworld kit. Look for weapon hardpoints and options from other Space Marine flyer kits for clues.
-Multiple T-Hawk sub-variants can be built from the kit. ~editor's note: Forgeworld only offers the "standard" and "transport" versions, unless this is referring to things like Marine, Grey Knight, Inquisition, CSM variants...The Thunderhawk and other(s) plastic Apocalypse kit will be the featured new models in the 2014 Apocalypse Supplement.

Now if there is something that the 40K community treats like an urban legend it's any talk of the semi-legendary plastic Thunderhawk. Like Nessie, Bigfoot and UFOs, we all want to believe. There have been second hand accounts over the years, always just out of touch... But this is the highest concentration and most specific chatter we've heard so far.

We rate these rumors as follows:
Apocalypse Stuff: Probable coming from multiple known sources
Thunderhawk Stuff: Possible coming from multiple sources, but it involves the words "Thunderhawk" and "Plastic" so we rolled it back one notch...

I can't even imagine what it will cost... Have at it.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/11/40k-rumors-apocalypse-big-kits-and-more.html

I like the warriors code, Im probably just Biased, But the whole Finished painted model is a must. As someone that spends a lot of money on my Pre heresy and 40k armies. there is nothing better than going up against a player who also has a fully painted army.

 Happygrunt wrote:
That's cool, but how do they expect to enforce these new policies? There is one GW event still running, and the rest of the tournaments have their own policy.

The next edition of the rules will introduce this "Warrior's Code" into the core of the game, inseparable from the mechanics, including a caveat that specific armies can only be painted in official colour schemes and any conversions (of which an available model already exists) must have prior written authorization from GW.
Any 3rd party tournament that wishes to include 40k will have to abide by these new rules or face C&D letters quickly followed by expensive legal proceedings.

That's how they will enforce these new policies.

And people will moan and complain, and a few will quit the hobby, but the majority will bow and submit just like they always have.

 cerbrus2 wrote:
I like the warriors code, Im probably just Biased, But the whole Finished painted model is a must. As someone that spends a lot of money on my Pre heresy and 40k armies. there is nothing better than going up against a player who also has a fully painted army.

I don't disagree with the so called code on a general way but as something every tournament decides by itself. GW left the tournament scene sometime ago because they were not into competitive gaming and nowadays only Throne od Skulls remains as an official something (I refuse to call it tournament as they don't do competitive you know ) so now they come with a set of rules that at first seem voluntary but might very well turn compulsory next ed. just because they want a certain image for their games, painted armies, no other company stuff, no 3rd party bits... I'm cool with that, whatever rocks their boat as long as it's just theirs.

What I don't want is that next year somebody arrives at our tournament with all these fancy ideas from GW HQ and this "warrior code" and says that he won't play against me (or say I can't play) as half my army is ilegal because they are not GW models or not based the right way or other stupidities like sky blue marines can only use the rules for sky blue marines and not the ones for green marines.

GW left and we have managed very well, even thrived without them, I say do whatever you want at WHworld and good riddance but don't you dare to spoil where I enjoy playing my way.

M.

 cerbrus2 wrote:


One reasoning behined this is the fact that if you cant afford a FW TH the chances of you being able to afford a Plastic one is also very unlikely. being as it would probably still retail at around £200. there is no way they would sell it for the sub £100 mark like most of the Apoc sized items do.

Then there is the fact that the Thunderhawk as well as the Titans are some what of a trade mark of Forgeworld. A figure head if you like.

There are two significant issues with the forgeworld thunderhawk.

Firstly, it isnt in a box on the store shelves anywhere. That is important.

Secondly, the forgeworld version is showing its age, the parts suffer from very bad warpage these days, making it a bit of a nightmare to build well.

None of that, of course, means there is a plastic thunderhawk on the horizon, as someone else mentioned, the first time i heard that was when they phased out the metal thunderhawk that came in the big wooden box, but there are sound reasons for making one.

if it came out, I would guess at £225 retail from GW.

Just the Stormraven-sized bases:

Warrior's Code wrote:
All miniatures in your army must be fully
based.
“Fully based” means that the base of every
model in your army has had some texture
added to the entire base, replete with an
appropriate paint job.

There is only one
exception to this very simple rule: the smaller
clear flying bases for jetbikes and other similar
models are exempt.

We do expect that the large
oval base used to mount the larger flyers to be
based as explained above.

Alabaster.clown wrote:

The next edition of the rules will introduce this "Warrior's Code" into the core of the game, inseparable from the mechanics, including a caveat that specific armies can only be painted in official colour schemes and any conversions (of which an available model already exists) must have prior written authorization from GW.

If this happens (which I deem highly unlikely) it will simply be ignored by the majority of the player base, just like the mysterious terrain rules are now.

Wasn't aware that there are any GW tournaments left. Are there any others except this single one at Warhammer World (for which this "code" seems written)?

 Harriticus wrote:
Does anyone even think of GW as a gaming company anymore? Wasn't aware people did.

GW also stopped being a pure miniature company with all those digital Codices without miniature support.

 Palindrome wrote:

Alabaster.clown wrote:

The next edition of the rules will introduce this "Warrior's Code" into the core of the game, inseparable from the mechanics, including a caveat that specific armies can only be painted in official colour schemes and any conversions (of which an available model already exists) must have prior written authorization from GW.

If this happens (which I deem highly unlikely) it will simply be ignored by the majority of the player base, just like the mysterious terrain rules are now.

i actually don't find them too objectionable. Sure if you want to bash gw while ignoring the facts you could claim that they enforce a paint scheme (they don't, they just aren't cool with proxies). I don't see anything particularly wrong with making sure that armies are well painted, wysiwyg, and based. It is clearly only intended for tournament play.

Haha, oh wow. You know rumours are false when they mention plastic Thunderhawks and Sisters as a sidenote.

I love the irony of rule No.12

You embrace the Most Important
Rule; play in the spirit of the game
and do not get bogged down in
the details of the rules.

So if they tell me my basing uses the wrong type of static grass I bought from a train hobby store, I can say chill dude, rule 12 man.

There are proxies and there are counts-as. Using your fully painted squat army as Imperial Guard is a counts-as army. Using a shoebox or a borrowed space marine landspeeder to stand in for an Eldar Grav tank is a proxy. One is cool, the other isn't.

Alabaster.clown wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
That's cool, but how do they expect to enforce these new policies? There is one GW event still running, and the rest of the tournaments have their own policy.

The next edition of the rules will introduce this "Warrior's Code" into the core of the game, inseparable from the mechanics, including a caveat that specific armies can only be painted in official colour schemes and any conversions (of which an available model already exists) must have prior written authorization from GW.
Any 3rd party tournament that wishes to include 40k will have to abide by these new rules or face C&D letters quickly followed by expensive legal proceedings.

That's how they will enforce these new policies.

And people will moan and complain, and a few will quit the hobby, but the majority will bow and submit just like they always have.

Company re-states players code, in essentially the same form that's been enforced for years.

Dakka commentator makes up a bunch of extra stuff and complains about the extra stuff.

Business as usual.

We've played Throne of Skulls under those rules, taken our own design Mycetic Spores made of 80p polystyrene eggs and, even, ymgarls with chapterhouse cthulu heads, and those bloody red shirts had the cheek to compliment the army and give us a glass trophy! The horror! The horror!

Rules look fine to me. I've paid lots of money to play some horrific armies at Warhammer World. Bikes that were just bases, armies that were sprayed one colour and washed, stupid stand-ins.

Might have to make some alternates in case they spot my scibor bits, but i'm okay with that.

I appluad the Painting and basing rules. Nothing worse than sticking down My fully painted Pre heresy Army, only to be met by a half painted Rhino turned on its side, standing in as a Dark Eldar Raider.

Any more news about the plastic sisters? Otherwise I'm pretty sure I wouldn't buy the plastic T-Hawk rumour...

What everyone should be asking is:

Did the rumormonger throw in the Warriors Code, because it's real, to aid in the trolling/proof of the Plastic T-Hawk kit rumor?

Or

Did they throw it in because the Warriors Code is silly, as GW has only 1 Tourney, like the idea of a Plastic T-hawk kit?

As BoLs is more of a repeater (without crediting) and not a groundbreaker, I'll file this under; I'll believe it when I see it.

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Company re-states players code, in essentially the same form that's been enforced for years.

I've never heard of tourneys running an 'all painted' rule. I've played in all undercoated and know there are a few out there (though not in my local area apparently) that require a 3 colour minimum but all painted has never been the norm, let alone company policy.

I could totally get behind this "Warrior's Code" if GW had a tight set of rules made for competitive war gaming with toy soldiers on a table top.

When you have two silly, Golden Rules- #1. The rules don't cover everything, and #2. Roll a die when there is a rules conflict with the corollary rule "Have Fun!"- you CAN NOT make players paint to some kind of nimbus standard, or throw the "counts as" accepted social rule that has been in play for over 20 years out the window. It would seem that the basic rules are...

- All the models must be painted. No more of primer, wash, dab of paint and done business. So very, very subjective, but it's pretty obvious when a model is "painted" and when a model has paint on it.

- If there is a model for it, you must use it. This concerns me a little as I like to use a lot of the Blood Angels bits/models for my Blood Ravens army. Does this mean that even if my Blood Ravens are painted up as Blood Ravens with Blood Angels bits, I'll be forced to play a Blood Angels list?!?!

- If the model has working items- movable turrets, doors that can open- I must model them so that they work? Really? I can't remember the last time I put together a Rhino or Land Raider with working doors. Mainly because if I paint the interior, you can't see it unless I model "windows" or install LED lights. Now the Drop Pods... I don't mind as I can pretty easily paint the interior, but I don't like the way the doors flop around. What do I do? I use rubberbands when I transport them.

- It would seem "Count's As" is going out the window.

These are pretty harsh and draconian in nature, and no, I don't like or approve. In order to use these rules, the tournament rule set would require a tight, streamlined set, with fixed scenarios used at all tournaments (and not that garbage out of the rule book). There would have to be very specific guidelines about what kind of terrain, how big it is, and how much there should be on the table. There would have to be supplemental rules for the tournament to be used only during a tournament. There would have to be guidelines on player behavior, tournament organizer responsibilities, and what to do if someone is cheating. Finally, there would have to be some kind of Official Games Workshop Prize support.

If anyone thinks this is impossible, I'll point you to Privateer Press and Steamroller Tournament Rules Packet.

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

We've played Throne of Skulls under those rules, taken our own design Mycetic Spores made of 80p polystyrene eggs and, even, ymgarls with chapterhouse cthulu heads, and those bloody red shirts had the cheek to compliment the army and give us a glass trophy! The horror! The horror!

Way to miss the point but I guess that next time you go and a staff member says that your ymgarls can't be used because they have 3rd party bits or that your cool Spores are now a proxy due to the new GW kit you'll be happy just the same.

M.

I imagine the thunderhawk to be along these lines:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155270/the-sword-of-a-thousand-truths

 jonolikespie wrote:

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Company re-states players code, in essentially the same form that's been enforced for years.

I've never heard of tourneys running an 'all painted' rule. I've played in all undercoated and know there are a few out there (though not in my local area apparently) that require a 3 colour minimum but all painted has never been the norm, let alone company policy.

It was in the Throne of Skulls events pack for at least a year. The new policy rewords it, but they've asked for fully painted armies, and for customised figures to be checked, for all that time if not longer.

The spirit of the rules are fine, but keep in mind this is skewed with GW mentality towards their business. I'd like most of these rules so long as your allowed awesome conversions that still functionally WYSIWYG and contained non-GW parts so long as they're not confusing.

I noticed that the ban on non GW models includes 3rd party conversion kits. Guess they realized that lawyering them out of existence wasn't going to work.

Honestly, not an unreasonable standard to be held to if going to a event GW was hosting. Not that much stricter than what Privateer has in their Steam Roller rules pack. Only problem is there are no GW hosted events to go to.

I just hope independent stores don't pick it up as a guideline. The only thing that really keeps me in the game right now is all the third party options that help keep the game reasonably priced for me.