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So the idea is to fully exploit the Dark Reapers' Reaper Rangefinder and utterly destroy the White Scars's biggest Chapter Tactic benefit, namely the 4+ jink saves. Making them eat 9 AP3 blasts and 12 S5 AP3 shots each turn and be denied any save whatsoever if out in the open should be able to deal with however many bikes the opponent can muster at 1k points. They got Night Vision in case Night fighting comes up on turn 1, and then I have my mobile unit of 10 Warp Spiders to pump 20 S6 "rending" shots wherever needed. Due to their mobility, they also act as an anti-tank unit that can handle anything except Land Raiders due to their ability to get behind them and shoot its rear. Got a Farseer to buff the Dark Reapers when needed and nerf the bikes if necessary. Even if the opponent is going to space out his bikes, I'm not gonna drop the Exarchs, Fast Shots, Night Visions and Tempest Launchers for more Dark Reapers because it will only net me 1 extra Dark Reaper per squad. Oh and finally the Icarus emplacement is there so one of my Dark Reaper Exarchs can fire the S9 cannon at flyers too and deny them their jink saves as well. C&C appreciated.

Of course, a Deathwing Terminator list is this list's undoing, but hey - every tailored armylist has its perfect counter


*************** 1 HQ ***************

Farseer


*************** 1 Fast Attack***************

10 Warp Spiders


*************** 3 Troops ***************

3 Guardian Jetbikes (objective grabbers, JSJ)
- 1 x Shuriken Cannon

3 Guardian Jetbikes (objective grabbers, JSJ)
- 1 x Shuriken Cannon

8 Rangers (guard home objective)



*************** 3 Heavy Support ***************

3 Dark Reapers
- Exarch
- Tempest-Launcher
- Night Vision
- Fast Shot


3 Dark Reapers
- Exarch
- Tempest-Launcher
- Night Vision
- Fast Shot


3 Dark Reapers
- Exarch
- Tempest-Launcher
- Night Vision
- Fast Shot


*************** 1 Emplacement ***************

Aegis-Defence Line
- Icarus-Lascannon



Total: 996

Hi there. While i dont know Eldar, i sure do know White Scars lists, and IMO i'd have no problem winning (or atleast doing relatively well) against this list.

Firstly, White Scars can outflank. So, if i see a problem i cant get to to deal with it, i'm going to outflank and come in fresh out of reserve closer to you ready to fight (pilling on the pressure).

Also, commonly in White Scars lists are TFCs. They can hide behind BLOS cover and drop some serious pie plates on your head without you being able to see them to kill them. Pinning (when it actually happens) could be aweful for you.
Stormtalons are also common. Short of the ADL and lascannon, they will probably do some damage, and go relateively unmolested.
Chapter Masters also sometimes show up in White Scars lists. Orbital Bombardment is bad news for anyone.

A smart player will also play the terrain to their advantage. 12" movement and 12" turboboost should help out with hiding behind cover.

The fact that you are making a 1k list, makes my job of creating a WS list harder. At 1k i'm likely to have 15-20 bikes (3 or 4 squads of 5 bikes). So if you did get a straight up volley of shooting onto them they will fold and you'll kill them easily.

I know this isn't exactly 'eldar' feedback, but hopefully you will see where i'm coming from and be able to make some changes which will benefit you.

Good Luck

As an Eldar player for some time i see that this list could be better.

You do not need the 8 rangers because the rest of the list is going for kill points, with the points you save buy a crimson hunter, buy more reapers, buy more bikes.

You lack a lot of models so place your reapers 48" away or more to avoid getting shot at (you have slow and purposeful)
so don't be afraid to move.

Have the farseer shot the icarius lascannon when the reaper exarch isn't intercepting with it (you always need to fire the cannon and tempest launcher).

Hope this helps, and good luck vs Ws

I disagree about taking the tempest launcher. S4 will bounce off the bikes and good spacing makes the blasts meh, even with fast shot. Just take a regular reaper launcher, or perhaps starshot missiles for pinch AT.

Rangers just need to be 5 bodies, but they are too easily jumped and murdered by bikes. The volume of hammer of wrath drops them every time. Could just drop the rangers for something else outright.

I guess I would ask why the list tailoring. Are you trying to show up a smug player that beat you too many times, or challenged someone to a rematch? Almost any army BUT bikers this list would get pretty trounced. Don't get me wrong, I know what it is to hate a specific list (mostly screamerstar) but without context it just sounds like a revenge build.

Interesting list! You have gotten some good feedback already, which I agree with.

You list does pump out an impressive amount of anti-marine shots, but it is VERY fragile and specialized. Basically, you can kill a lot of bikes every time you shoot. BUT if those bikes outflank you are in a lot of trouble. And every opponent will go for killing your squads of Dark Reapers as prio 1. A TFC or even a whirlwind would give you substantial trouble, while the WS biker squads outflank.

As even a normal squad of 5-6 bikes rapid firing TL boltguns are likely to kill 2-3 models of your reaper squads, i.e. the whole squad.. so if your opposition gets to shoot, you will die. 2-4 bikers units outflanking and coming in with guns blazing are likely to eradicate your firebase of reapers!

You'd better hope for the first turn, and no outflanking.

Ihave no additional list build ideas from what has already been said, i do want to stste unless playing a kill point game all of your objective games will end in a draw 3/4 times. you have too few troops.

 Dr. Serling wrote:
I disagree about taking the tempest launcher. S4 will bounce off the bikes and good spacing makes the blasts meh, even with fast shot. Just take a regular reaper launcher, or perhaps starshot missiles for pinch AT.

Rangers just need to be 5 bodies, but they are too easily jumped and murdered by bikes. The volume of hammer of wrath drops them every time. Could just drop the rangers for something else outright.

agreed.

i also see the white scar list beating this.
if they have turn one your screwd, they scout forward, close the range and blast you apart with special weapons. dark reapers are easily killed.
if you have turn 1, they can go outflank and still do that.

while an intersting idea, i dont know how well it well work

Dark Reapers have 3+ armor saves. Is the TFC that dangerous? If I swap out the Rangers for something else, my army is pretty much entirely T3 MEQ.

Also, I'll be positioning my Dark Reapers pretty close to my own table edge with the ADL in front of them to make most use of their 36" range. So, given the opponent's deployment zone 12" from his own table edge, I dont think he will be able to start the game with any of his bikes 24.1" away from my Reaper line.

Lets say he gets turn 1. Scout move (only if he brings Korsarro Khan....at 1000 points that's no guarantee) + 12" movement = 18" away from his starting point by the end of the movement phase, so his Grav Guns shoot, and lets say 2 Grav Guns from a 5 man bike team firing will have 6 shots, 4 hits, 2.66 wounds, and I get my 4+ cover save, so 1.33 dead Reapers. Then his Bolters shoot: 3 tl-shots, 2.66 hits, 1.77 wounds, 0.59 dead Reapers. Total slain reapers: 1.92, let's make that 2. If I position my Exarchs behind their 2 "bodyguards", that should still keep my 3 Tempest Launchers alive by the end of turn 1, assuming 3x5 bikes shot at 3 dark reaper squads. Remember I always have the Farseer and his Fortune to reduce casualties.

And 15 bikes + TFC + Khan is approx. 820 points so he might throw in a Land Speeder or two.

I'm a little bit confused about jink and cover saves, but I think Turbo boosting wont help them, as the Reaper Range Finders ignore jink, so the bikes wont get their 3+ cover saves.

Outflanking will give them the edge, yes, but it will also risk them not arriving with all their units at once, allowing me to take their army apart piecemeal.

Also, why the tailored White Scars list? My opponent told me he will be playing White Scars, I told him I'll be playing Eldar, so both of us can tailor our lists. My guess is he wont even bring Grav Guns to the table, lol. I told him I have no Wraithknight.

ahh, but one thing you foget is command squad on bikes. (i also believe scout move for them is 12" but i woudnt be surprised if i was wrong)
the command squad on bikes can take 4 or 5 special weapons, and that will hurt. Then they could stick somethign with 2+ armor out front and your a goner

Yeah, command squad with Apothecary and 4 Grav Guns with a "tank" HQ Chapter Master up front taking wounds with 2+/3++ Shield Eternal/5+FNP 4 Wounds and Orbital Bombarding you is every man's nightmare It would also be my list's undoing as the only AP2 weapon I have that can hurt him is the Icarus Lascannon, and he cant be ID'd either way and ignoring him means he'll reach close combat.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Yeah, command squad with Apothecary and 4 Grav Guns with a "tank" HQ Chapter Master up front taking wounds with 2+/3++ Shield Eternal/5+FNP 4 Wounds and Orbital Bombarding you is every man's nightmare It would also be my list's undoing as the only AP2 weapon I have that can hurt him is the Icarus Lascannon, and he cant be ID'd either way and ignoring him means he'll reach close combat.

Especially bad for you as that is pretty much the staple unit since the new dex. I personally for example would never not run it, even at 1k. It's a silver bullet unit too good to pass up.

but I cant think of an Eldar list that would do better against White Scars. At this points level, there are no more effective builds, zero, zilch. Ramping up on other forms of AP3 (Fire Prism) or AP2 weaponry (Star Cannons) is pointless due to 4+ jink saves and Wraithguard/lords/knights and Avatars evaporate to Grav Guns, the only thing I can currently think of is spamming dual Shuriken Cannon War Walkers and Dire Avengers all backed by Guiding Farseers to just pepper them with S6 shots until they start rolling 1s and 2s.

 Sir Arun wrote:
but I cant think of an Eldar list that would do better against White Scars. At this points level, there are no more effective builds, zero, zilch. Ramping up on other forms of AP3 (Fire Prism) or AP2 weaponry (Star Cannons) is pointless due to 4+ jink saves and Wraithguard/lords/knights and Avatars evaporate to Grav Guns, the only thing I can currently think of is spamming dual Shuriken Cannon War Walkers and Dire Avengers all backed by Guiding Farseers to just pepper them with S6 shots until they start rolling 1s and 2s.

The elder list that always gives my scars trouble is serpent spam. I eat knights and ground troops alive, but grav guns are very unreliable vs vehicle spam. I stopped carrying combi grav in favor of melta bombs it was painful to shoot 2 or 3 units at a serpent and get one lone 6.

going to be a bad day if the WS player brings 1-2 land speeders with double flamers (I do occasionally against eldar / tau / nids) cheap and great for units that stick in cover .... would be perfect for taking down your reapers and removing your ap 3 weapons.

looks pretty good, the 3 dark reaper squads will be make or break .... they should shred through units of bikes though.

does look alot like a revenge list or tailored .... which i'm all for imo.

Give this list a try and see how it does, curious to know the results!

Then I would like to compare with a S6/Serpent list. E.g. 3 x Serpents with SL+SC loaded with guardians, and your 10 warp spiders. Basically, S6-7 and rending spam. I'm not sure your Reaper approach is better. And the other approach is far more durable and allround.

 Orock wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
but I cant think of an Eldar list that would do better against White Scars. At this points level, there are no more effective builds, zero, zilch. Ramping up on other forms of AP3 (Fire Prism) or AP2 weaponry (Star Cannons) is pointless due to 4+ jink saves and Wraithguard/lords/knights and Avatars evaporate to Grav Guns, the only thing I can currently think of is spamming dual Shuriken Cannon War Walkers and Dire Avengers all backed by Guiding Farseers to just pepper them with S6 shots until they start rolling 1s and 2s.

The elder list that always gives my scars trouble is serpent spam. I eat knights and ground troops alive, but grav guns are very unreliable vs vehicle spam. I stopped carrying combi grav in favor of melta bombs it was painful to shoot 2 or 3 units at a serpent and get one lone 6.

ya, serpent spam is the answer for 98% of armies. except tau.

westiebestie wrote:
Give this list a try and see how it does, curious to know the results!

How did it go, did this list get fielded yet?