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Just wondering if I should be overly worried about the new trend of Servo-Skulls appearing everywhere. With my list of 3 Scouting hounds unable to actually scout, would it be better to outflank 2 and try to scout 1 instead?

With a 12" move+fleet I seriously would not worry about it too much. It hurts demon armies with one hound unit more because they can't redeploy from a bad deployment but since you have 3 I don't think it will hurt you very much.

 Red Corsair wrote:
With a 12" move+fleet I seriously would not worry about it too much. It hurts demon armies with one hound unit more because they can't redeploy from a bad deployment but since you have 3 I don't think it will hurt you very much.

?? So you're saying that missing an entire turn of movement isn't a serious concern? For an assault army EVERY inch matters a ton and losing 12" is crazy to say that it doesn't matter that much. It's basically like saying "I'm going to deploy my Spawn up at the edge of my deployment zone but I won't move them turn 1 because it's only 12""

3 Servo skulls can be deployed in a line that covers the entire board

Board edge <15"-> Servo Skull <21"> Servo Skull <21"> Servo Skull <15"> Board edge. That leaves almost no room to move period. Outflank is even worse, you might as well not even use the unit if you plan to outflank 3 assault units since that's at least 2 turns of assault you aren't getting. The whole power of dogs is to assault turn 2.. not turn 3.

You are 100% right, it does neuter all scouting armies. Going to be fun with Eldar and Tau spending a whopping 34 points to gain further advantage.

Makes me wonder if they really playtest anything at GW..?

You still assault turn 2. Just not turn 1 if you go second.

True, I didn't think about the skulls this way.

TBH, they could do this already. Allying for servo skulls isn't new. The only differrnce is you dont have to pay 12 points for henchman and keep your secondary detachment.

While that might be true, it only really takes into effect on armies with alot of high-range firepower.
Armies like sisters or marines who generally needs to get close to do damage do not gain much, armies like IG artillery does.

Thatguyoverthere11 wrote:
You still assault turn 2. Just not turn 1 if you go second.

True, I didn't think about the skulls this way.

TBH, they could do this already. Allying for servo skulls isn't new. The only differrnce is you dont have to pay 12 points for henchman and keep your secondary detachment.

Not quite. With Codex:Inquisition, the mandatory HQ can now join Imperial units as Battle Brothers and will be able to support them with psyker powers (notably divination).

Yeah it's a pretty huge difference between Allies of convenience + using up your ally slot for servo skulls as opposed to paying 34 points with NO disadvantage (or 64 pts with level 1 psyker).

Naw wrote:
You are 100% right, it does neuter all scouting armies. Going to be fun with Eldar and Tau spending a whopping 34 points to gain further advantage.

Makes me wonder if they really playtest anything at GW..?

Whats worse is the fluff rape. Bad enough the top army combo doesn't even make sense, but now it's going to have the most xenophobic humans known to man tossed into the mix as well.

 Dakkamite wrote:

Naw wrote:
You are 100% right, it does neuter all scouting armies. Going to be fun with Eldar and Tau spending a whopping 34 points to gain further advantage.

Makes me wonder if they really playtest anything at GW..?

Whats worse is the fluff rape. Bad enough the top army combo doesn't even make sense, but now it's going to have the most xenophobic humans known to man tossed into the mix as well.

Well, the player is going to be in an interesting situation there, because the inquisitor needs to stay at least 6" away from all of the tau units and cant join the Eldar. So the player will have to bring his own bodyguards. Which starts to take up more points.

 Dakkamite wrote:

Naw wrote:
You are 100% right, it does neuter all scouting armies. Going to be fun with Eldar and Tau spending a whopping 34 points to gain further advantage.

Makes me wonder if they really playtest anything at GW..?

Whats worse is the fluff rape. Bad enough the top army combo doesn't even make sense, but now it's going to have the most xenophobic humans known to man tossed into the mix as well.

What "fluff rape"?

Inquisitors cooperating with/using/dealing with/fighting alongside Tau and Eldar? Hardly unprecedented.

Thud wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:

Naw wrote:
You are 100% right, it does neuter all scouting armies. Going to be fun with Eldar and Tau spending a whopping 34 points to gain further advantage.

Makes me wonder if they really playtest anything at GW..?

Whats worse is the fluff rape. Bad enough the top army combo doesn't even make sense, but now it's going to have the most xenophobic humans known to man tossed into the mix as well.

What "fluff rape"?

Inquisitors cooperating with/using/dealing with/fighting alongside Tau and Eldar? Hardly unprecedented.

Especially considering a full third of the Inquisition cares about combating Chaos more than anything else, which is also a primary concern of the Eldar... I see no fluff rape.

Actually the allies matrix in codex inquisition is incredibly fluffy. Almost perfect except there is no way to make fallen inquisitors to ally with chaos. I guess those guys automatically change to daemons or sorcerers, etc. when they fall to chaos?

This does cause some headaches for scouting armies. Though people are greatly over estimating how easy it is to fit Inquisition allies into army lists. Take mech eldar as an example. Where exactly are you going to put the allies of convenience inquisitor so he doesn't give up easy KP and first blood? Are the servo skulls really a better option than just taking ~80 pts of striking scorpions or rangers which you could have infiltrated ahead of your army? Are you taking Tau allies who will be desperate allies level to the inquisitors and possibly cause issues? It is a good value but it isn't always something that will fit any situation/army list and it can have drawbacks.

I just got the book.

for 94pts you can get a xenos inquisitor that has 3 servo skull, ML 1, rad and psychotroke grenades.

Are you fething kidding me?

50 blob squads just got extra dumb. Psychotroke grenades alone make any charging unit busted as hell.

Every tau and eldar will take the 34pt "F scouts" inquisitor pretty much automatically. I know I will.

I bet clown Raukaan will provide an adequate counter to this.

 ansacs wrote:
Actually the allies matrix in codex inquisition is incredibly fluffy. Almost perfect except there is no way to make fallen inquisitors to ally with chaos. I guess those guys automatically change to daemons or sorcerers, etc. when they fall to chaos?

This does cause some headaches for scouting armies. Though people are greatly over estimating how easy it is to fit Inquisition allies into army lists. Take mech eldar as an example. Where exactly are you going to put the allies of convenience inquisitor so he doesn't give up easy KP and first blood? Are the servo skulls really a better option than just taking ~80 pts of striking scorpions or rangers which you could have infiltrated ahead of your army? Are you taking Tau allies who will be desperate allies level to the inquisitors and possibly cause issues? It is a good value but it isn't always something that will fit any situation/army list and it can have drawbacks.

It is a single infantry model, he can hide anywhere. And yes, 34pts for 3 servoskulls blow scorpions and rangers out of the water. For one, they can`t be countered in any way, two, they don`t give up first blood and three, they are much cheaper.

The servo skulls won't give up first blood, no, but the T3 W3 4+ inquisitor certainly can. And since he can't join ally of convenience squads, keeping him alive may prove difficult. That's the point we're making.

Missed the first part of my post there? It`s a single infantry model, he can hide anywhere. If you can get a roof over his head, he can be practically impossible to kill. At least for a couple of rounds.

The other option is to bring a bastion and give him some plasma servitors to hang with for a nice cheap firebase

Sticking him out of line of sight isn't sufficient. There are lots of ways (barrage firepower, smart missile systems, etc) to kill models without line of sight. I'm not precisely clear on whether allies can enter fortifications. But even if he can, you're now buying the bastion to protect a 34 point model. That unit can't really be said to be 34 points anymore, can it?

I heard the Grimoire of True Names made it's way into Codex Inquisition ... truth behind it? and if so, what on earth...

It has the same name, but functions very differently. If you haven't read the rules for it, I can certainly understand your surprise.

(It's a very minor upgrade, on par with a melta bomb.)

Flesh hounds are dead as a competitive option now. Too bad because it was 1 of the decent counters to wave serpent spam.

White scars and raven guard are also going to be hit hard. Huron and Ahriman are pretty pointless now. And pathfinders are going to have to deploy out in the open now.

I guess GW really want Eldar to be the be all and end all.

Cant they just errata the servo skulls to not prevent scouting, or is that their sole function? If so that's fd up. And just another nutshot to meelee in this game.

They have 2 functions, stop deployment shenanigans and make deep strike more accurate. So they won't change.

So I am assuming that all the people saying that flesh hounds are dead were also convinced they were useless if you went first. Because honestly if the opponent was smart they counter deployed you anyways and the scout move to the side would help just as much.

An interesting way to counter servo skulls could be the Vengeance Weapons Battery. As it either counts as an enemy model or doesn't work at all depending on how you interpret fortification rules.

How does everyone interpret "approach within" for the servo skulls? As far as I can tell RAW if you deploy within the 12" you can scout redeploy within that 12" as you did not approach the servo skull. More interestingly you should be able to "leap" the servo skull as long as you move past it or away from it as scout "moves" are not movement but straight redeployment.

I think most people would interpret it as being that a scout move cannot end within 12" of an enemy servo skull, whether or not you deployed within that radius.

Its -WS/Ld/Initiative

but honestly I feel like the thing shouldn't be in the possession of simple humans to begin with..

Corollax wrote:
Sticking him out of line of sight isn't sufficient. There are lots of ways (barrage firepower, smart missile systems, etc) to kill models without line of sight. I'm not precisely clear on whether allies can enter fortifications. But even if he can, you're now buying the bastion to protect a 34 point model. That unit can't really be said to be 34 points anymore, can it?

Or, you could just stick him in reserves. Can't be killed there...


And btw, anyone can enter any fortification on the table.

I suppose reserves would work, provided you're able to get a kill in the interim. Fair point.

Corollax wrote:
Okay, so he's in reserves. He then walks on at the start of turn 2 or turn 3 if you're lucky. What then?

He wanders around staying out of trouble or you just shrug and eat the low number of points if he doesn't. I haven't seen these rules yet but from the sound of it, GW have just introduced a really cheap way of fouling up scouting big time. Did they just want to sell a lot of Inquisitor models and codices by making this an auto-buy when facing certain army types / approaches?