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Pasties could be whatever you want.

They could be filled with any color substance, so they could be opressing any given culture. And they could be glazed, to symbolize any supressor. But between filling and coating they are always white dough, to symbolize our priviledge that is ever present.

Don't you ruin my pastie metaphor

You are right though I should have realised that even with the pastie there was a reason for white people to feel guilty.

 easysauce wrote:

its THE MAJORITY privilege,
not something race based, but something based on strict #'s where by the thing that is done by the MOST people in a given area is considered "normal"

One understanding of majority, in this context, is that the degree of influence a particular group has over the culture of a given nation is the important variable. The classic example of this is South Africa under apartheid, where it has been argued that whites held the majority of influence, despite being a minority of the population.

 easysauce wrote:

to call it out as "white" privilege is whats racist, as it 100% does imply its a "white" problem/issue and not something that happens everywhere there is a distinct majority.

so use the proper term, the proper term is "majority privilege",

That's splitting hairs. In countries where the racial group "white" is the majority, "majority privilege" is equivalent to "white privilege." Such a term does not imply that it is, in general, a "white" problem* only that in the context of the nation/s being referenced that it is one.

Though, I agree, if we're speaking regarding all groups in all locations at all times, "majority privilege" is a superior term.


*Particularly given that "white" is an amorphous concept.

 easysauce wrote:

and yes, it is more of a problem in other countries, then it is in canada/states/uk/europe... so stop acting like the west is the worst for it, because its not.

I don't think anyone made such a claim.

 Ketara wrote:

While I will acknowledge that many Americans would likely enjoy that, I would request some sriracha to go with my popovers and meat...

...and possibly an exorcist to drive peas from existence, and baked beans as well.

 Ketara wrote:

That said, tea pastries and teas sandwiches are awesome.

 whembly wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity


Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Clearly none of us had heard about it. Keep practicing your mini mod there D, you're working miracles.

I could have sworn that we had a thread here about it, but my search has left me empty.

Doesn't change the whole "why is a random blogger pissed today and talking about stupid gak that happened 14 months ago" question though. Must be a slow "sucks to be white" news day for them.

Honestly I want to know what this " white privilege " thing I keep hearing about is. I'm a white man..... but I certainly don't feel like I have privilege over other races. Am I being shafted here?

We must have missed the boat. I never got my free college cause i'm white card. Did you?

Me neither... I was given that your gak out of luck card with regards to college. I'm paying every-cent.


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 djones520 wrote:
I'm just sick and tired of the insinuations I should feel guilty because I'm white. It's bullcrap.

This. x1000!

True story along those lines. My brother and I came up with a brilliant idea for a personal business, all we needed was a Grant or government loan to help us start out. So we made an appointment at some local agency that deals with that sort of thing. After telling them or idea we were told this.

That's a great idea guys but we can't help you with the loan. If either of you were a minority you'd be approved, but we simply can't help you.


Word for word what they said...... pretty privileged white guy here

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
You guys dont see it. You see, The JElly, which is often Black, and the Peanut Butter is often brown, signyfying hispanics. They are sandwiched by two pieces of WHITE bread, signifying the oppression of Blacks and Hispanic.
You guys better check your privilege

You made me laugh so hard I think I broke a rib or two...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
dude, California Fried Fish Is the best. If you want great fried food go t CALI, not the south

This is the craziest thing I have ever read.

Yeah, hotsauce, this is probably the best thing you've ever written. Well done, good sir. I laughed my butt off.

So anyone who eats a food I don't is being racist to me?

kingleir wrote:
So anyone who eats a food I don't is being racist to me?

I'm don't think that's what it is about.

 Cheesecat wrote:

kingleir wrote:
So anyone who eats a food I don't is being racist to me?

I'm don't think that's what it is about.

It's actually pretty easy to boil it down to that, yes. Unless the person racism is "targeting" is white. Then that person is likely to just not be "cultured".

I'm pretty sure she's talking about looking at things outside the perspective of the average American, not once does she claim that PB&J sandwiches are racist.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I'm pretty sure she's talking about looking at things outside the perspective of the average American, not once does she claim that PB&J sandwiches are racist.

That's true, she doesn't claim that PB&J sandwiches are racist. Just the eating of and/or discussion of them.

Cultural sensitivity =/= racism.

Why on earth is discussing a PB+J in any way a culturally sensitive topic?

 d-usa wrote:
Pasties could be whatever you want.

Indeed.

 KingCracker wrote:

True story along those lines. My brother and I came up with a brilliant idea for a personal business, all we needed was a Grant or government loan to help us start out. So we made an appointment at some local agency that deals with that sort of thing. After telling them or idea we were told this.

That's a great idea guys but we can't help you with the loan. If either of you were a minority you'd be approved, but we simply can't help you.


Word for word what they said...... pretty privileged white guy here

If it was a great idea, why couldn't you get a loan from a bank?

Banks often don't like lending to startups. Especially smaller ones.

A guy I know is trying to start up his own FLGS but nobody will lend him money without him having at least 2 years of business records for his LLC.

So they give them to minorities though? Why so if they fail they end up bankrupt......ohhhhhhhh they are trying to bankrupt minories

 Grey Templar wrote:
Why on earth is discussing a PB+J in any way a culturally sensitive topic?

It's not a culturally sensitive topic to talk about PB+J.

It's culturally insensitive to tallk about PB+J as if it is the cultural norm and the only option for America and ignoring that other cultures present have their own food traditions.

And acknowledging that the food preferences of the majority doesn't represent the norm for all cultures is not racism, it's being culturally sensitive.

So its culturally insensitive to assume that we as Americans have our own culture

 Grey Templar wrote:
So its culturally insensitive to assume that we as Americans have our own culture

It's culturally insensitive to assume that your particular cultural background = "American Culture".

And if you truly think that there is such a thing as "American culture" then I have a bridge to sell you.

There is definitely an American culture. Its divided into a few sub-cultures but it is decidedly distinct. You do have southern, north eastern, mid-west, and west coast variations on it but its there.

America has its own culture and there is nothing wrong with that. Its a lovely thing, a mixture of other cultures all blended together. Largely English and Germanic but with a bit of native and Spanish thrown in for good measure.

 Grey Templar wrote:
There is definitely an American culture. Its divided into a few sub-cultures but it is decidedly distinct. You do have southern, north eastern, mid-west, and west coast variations on it but its there.

Cultures are different from state to state, and at times even within the state itself. The fact that there is such a distinct difference between the culture of Boston and New Orleans makes it pretty obvious that there is no such thing as "American Culture". It's not just "sub cultures", it's distinctly different cultures.

America has its own culture and there is nothing wrong with that. Its a lovely thing, a mixture of other cultures all blended together. Largely English and Germanic but with a bit of native and Spanish thrown in for good measure.

And it is still blending, and it will blend more tomorrow. And part of that blending is acknowledging that it exists and that there are sub-cultures within sub-cultures that are constantly changing and that they influence the regional culture as a whole and modify it.

And part of that is realizing that "you are American and every one of you eats PB+J and that is the normal thing to do" is not culturally sensitive.

I'm not claiming everybody who's American eats PB+J.

But I do know one thing, I'm American and not anything else.

And really, you're getting down and nitpicking to say that any little variation means its a different culture.

 Grey Templar wrote:
A guy I know is trying to start up his own FLGS but nobody will lend him money without him having at least 2 years of business records for his LLC.

The obvious solution would be founding an LLC and conducting business as one.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I'm not claiming everybody who's American eats PB+J.

And all that article states was that teachers were requested not to write their lessons in a way that assumes that PB+J was the cultural norm for everybody in that school.

But I do know one thing, I'm American and not anything else.

Great. I'm American as well. Been an American Citizen since the day I was born. My dad was in the military and was stationed in Germany. So that is where I grew up. So I'm 100% American, and I have a culture that is very much shaped and influenced by the area where I grew up. So because I'm American does that mean that American Culture = Schnitzel, Bratwurst, Maypoles, Fasching, etc, because I'm American and that is my culture?

And really, you're getting down and nitpicking to say that any little variation means its a different culture.

Well, let's take Boston and New Orleans then.

-Regional dialects so distinct that you can have problems even understanding each other.
-Very different foods.
-Different festivals and celerbrations.
-Different traditions.
-Different prominent religions.
-Different outlook on life.

That's just what I can come up with in a few seconds. How much needs to be completely different for a culture to be distinct?

 Ouze wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
But you can't taste the racism.

Well, if it tastes anything like homophobia; then it probably tastes delicious. Damn you, Chik-Fil-A!

Okay, I can't believe I even read this thread, but yeah that post got me Ouze . Well played.

Also, I did a teaching residency and worked as a high school geometry teacher for a year several years ago. We had to go through a lot of seminars about "white privilege". While there is something to the concept, of course, the overly strong focus on it was inappropriate and not helpful to teachers or students, imo- much better to focus on the positive and what you can actually affect. Discussing systematic racism is one thing, trying to make a difference in a single student's life is quite another- once again, imo.

I think it's something worth discussing, but as a math teacher, all the training I got on that would have been better served helping me learn how to effectively teach my students. This just was not at all applicable into a setting where I was trying to teach geometry, and so in my case not helpful, as it's already a concept I was well aware of.

 RiTides wrote:

Also, I did a teaching residency and worked as a high school geometry teacher for a year several years ago. We had to go through a lot of seminars about "white privilege". While there is something to the concept, of course, the overly strong focus on it was inappropriate and not helpful to teachers or students, imo- much better to focus on the positive and what you can actually affect. Discussing systematic racism is one thing, trying to make a difference in a single student's life is quite another- once again, imo.

Well, I think a lot of the responses in this thread made it pretty clear that talking about being culturally sensitive and realizing that "white privilege" is a discussion that is needed and worth having. And you are correct that there are quite a few areas where people go overboard with it and turn cultural sensitivity into reverse racism.

We need to find that balanced area between pretending that the problem doesn't exist and going overboard with trying to fix it.

Oh, Lord Kalki, where art thou?

"Hey, you!
Since you don't eat [Insert foreign cuisine] like at least one person does somewhere on the planet, you are most clearly racist! And if you even think about having Thanksgiving dinner, you're practically a member of a hate group!"



Sorry for meme usage, but this time it was simply mandatory. I am simply lost for any other words or expressions.

EDIT: Also, take the context of history out for a moment; disregard majority/minority. The claim is that the bread in question is not eaten by other ethnicities. So... Therefore it's racist? I mean, one could claim equally that since many people in America or Europe or other places don't eat tortillas, eating a tortilla is racist. Both use the same "logic", but neither seems very sensible. How about some people eat their fething food, and other people eat their fething food without people hurling accusations at one another?!? Because that's too fething reasonable!!
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 Grey Templar wrote:
Why on earth is discussing a PB+J in any way a culturally sensitive topic?

Anything can be culturally sensitive to the bs agenda-pushers.

I've decided I'm following the president's example and sending my kids to the best private schools money can buy. Public schools are a lost cause.