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I might be bothered by this, if I bothered with buying GW product to play their games. When I started really looking around the internet, I found no possible way to justify paying GWd prices except in very rare circumstances, and took my business elsewhere as a result. It can be frustrating finding non-gw models to represent anything but IG in 40k for cheap, but WHFB has a great variety of possible standins for all sorts of armies. GW lost most of my business long ago. I'm not liable to come back unless something changes dramatically.

Around my area folks getting into 40k seem to go for used models/armies as they tend to be far cheaper, are often already put together, and tend to be an entire built army. So really the Megaforce's and the like seem to be more for folks moving into new armies anyhow.

They used to have similar ones with the old metal models (Anyone remember the Iyanden Army Box?)

So is there any update on this? Is it actually happening or just speculation at this point?

There's a precedent, but nothing concrete. The last army to get an old-style battleforce was Eldar, and the Tau one didn't change I believe. Space Marines, the poster boys and chief product line got the strikeforce instead, which is honestly much better.

Paying $100 $120 and not getting even a legal combat patrol army isn't very attractive, and never saved you much money, the Marine strikeforce is actually pretty good for a new player; full legal army with plenty of flexibility as to how you build the stuff in it, with the Venerable Dreadnought the only objectively bad unit, but still not completely terrible. The amount of money you save is also notable, I'm all for seeing more things like it.

The niche, and limited time only Iyanden and Firebase Cadre aren't quite my thing, but a big balanced box like the strikeforce is great for a newbie, and not bad for an older player to expand a force in multiple directions, especially given a well established bits box.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
There's a precedent, but nothing concrete. The last army to get an old-style battleforce was Eldar, and the Tau one didn't change I believe. Space Marines, the poster boys and chief product line got the strikeforce instead, which is honestly much better.

Paying $100 $120 and not getting even a legal combat patrol army isn't very attractive, and never saved you much money, the Marine strikeforce is actually pretty good for a new player; full legal army with plenty of flexibility as to how you build the stuff in it, with the Venerable Dreadnought the only objectively bad unit, but still not completely terrible. The amount of money you save is also notable, I'm all for seeing more things like it.

The niche, and limited time only Iyanden and Firebase Cadre aren't quite my thing, but a big balanced box like the strikeforce is great for a newbie, and not bad for an older player to expand a force in multiple directions, especially given a well established bits box.

I only ask because my SO picked up some Dark Eldar, and I told her to buy some Battleforces (maybe 2). For $90 on eBay, getting a Raider, a squad of Wyches, Warriors, and Reavers is a pretty sweet deal.

 ntdars wrote:
So is there any update on this? Is it actually happening or just speculation at this point?

As I said:
1.) Fact is that the third army in a row got a megaforce instead of a battalion, which is included in module 4 for GW stockists.
2.) More and more battalions and battleforces taken out of module 4 or discontinued altogether.

This is happening. That this is a deliberate decision and a trend is speculation, but a very probable one.

You mean the first really to get one since last holiday season right? Because Tau, Eldar, Chaos Daemons, and Chaos Marines all got battleforces that were different from the previous edition, while DA just got the Ravenwing set again.

The only armies to have gotten the Megaforce treatment recently have been the SM and last year's Cron megaforce. Unless the trend you're referring to is a holiday big box then sure there's a trend, otherwise it just looks like SM will get a bigger box than everyone else.

 Watchersinthedark wrote:
You mean the first really to get one since last holiday season right? Because Tau, Eldar, Chaos Daemons, and Chaos Marines all got battleforces that were different from the previous edition, while DA just got the Ravenwing set again.

The only armies to have gotten the Megaforce treatment recently have been the SM and last year's Cron megaforce. Unless the trend you're referring to is a holiday big box then sure there's a trend, otherwise it just looks like SM will get a bigger box than everyone else.

The Warhost of Naggaroth and the Tyranid Swarm box beg to differ. They're the "new standard" of boxed sets and equivalent to the Space Marine Strikeforce box which is currently available.


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 ntdars wrote:
So is there any update on this? Is it actually happening or just speculation at this point?

Not really an easy question to answer. Time will tell, but as of right now it looks like it is actually happening.

The next set of releases(supposedly Dwarves then IG) will determine whether or not it can be really confirmed though.

Oooh, given the value in the Nid box (from a discounter at least) then I might have to scratch my IG itch when that drops (and as I had declared myself done with new forces for 40K, that would be a pretty big deal for me personally)

Will have to see what new releases accompany it and if they feature, as if they still include feth tons of that god awful mess that masquerades as infantry, I might just have to stick with plan A and go full counts as at a (much) later date.

 azreal13 wrote:
Oooh, given the value in the Nid box (from a discounter at least) then I might have to scratch my IG itch when that drops (and as I had declared myself done with new forces for 40K, that would be a pretty big deal for me personally)

Good call, that. The Guard box will be interesting to see.

As a kid i used to get the £5 space marine bikes since i got £5 a week, in 4th ed i was ten and due to my socio economic background it really worked for me (and i was a kid so it was hard to save), for my birthday my parents got me a starterbox with everything i needed which still lets me play a small space marine force today. I restarted the hobby with my ex last year and she got a DE armybox, she used it, got an hq etc but we both found it was pretty hard to pay for with travel to the shop, food and all the normal stuff two young people want to do where we're from. Prices since then have gone up and up and half of my shop left which in turn made our local owner leave...now if GW had kept the prices the same and kept those army boxes going i'm pretty sure my local would still be full of kids on saturdays with their rich mums buying up the stock and other teens and young people moaning about not getting a seat.

Hobbies are and always will be expensive, its a luxury! But the current CEOs really have alienated at least half my shop with these price changes. A £50 battlebox is a nice round number to get into the hobby, but if me and my ex had seen the only started kit was in triple figures we would have ran. GW should have kept the price and sizes the same because that shop was making mad money up until may when the price hike came in, GW should market its self for all, not just rich people and buy charging the earth for these huge boxes i know it will throw more people like me off starting than get people in.

(I also buy from gw to keep my shopping running=free gaming board)

 scarletsquig wrote:
Makes sense I don't see why they're necessary when the webstore has all those one-click bundles, just a waste of shelf space.

And they were a bundle of models sold at a discount so GW was deliberately losing money for their shareholders every time they sold one.

You can't have that sort of thing going on and still expect to maximize quarterly dividend yield.

There is a difference between losing money and leaving a couple of dollars on the table to incentivize someone to buy a larger price point. First, GW doesn't lose money because you buy a bundle over individual boxes. In simple terms, a loss to the shareholders means you did not cover your costs. So how much does it cost to make the box set? You've got raw materials, distribution, and labor to create the box? As long as the sale is more than that, they turn a profit. From that point, GW needs to monitor their SG&A expenses to ensure a profit for the year.

This goes back more than a decade when Dakka was in its infancy and portent.net was all the rage, but you could buy an entire chapter for $5,000 and get a free thunder hawk gun ship. We're they losing money by creating this deal? No. For most manufacturers and distributors, they don't sell anything at a loss unless they are dumping stuff. Remember when they were getting a smaller warehouse? We had apocalypse hit stores and we had some huge bundle deals. It was cheaper to sell than pay people to move their inventory and ship it to a new location.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Watchersinthedark wrote:
You mean the first really to get one since last holiday season right? Because Tau, Eldar, Chaos Daemons, and Chaos Marines all got battleforces that were different from the previous edition, while DA just got the Ravenwing set again.

The only armies to have gotten the Megaforce treatment recently have been the SM and last year's Cron megaforce. Unless the trend you're referring to is a holiday big box then sure there's a trend, otherwise it just looks like SM will get a bigger box than everyone else.

The Warhost of Naggaroth and the Tyranid Swarm box beg to differ. They're the "new standard" of boxed sets and equivalent to the Space Marine Strikeforce box which is currently available.


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 ntdars wrote:
So is there any update on this? Is it actually happening or just speculation at this point?

Not really an easy question to answer. Time will tell, but as of right now it looks like it is actually happening.

The next set of releases(supposedly Dwarves then IG) will determine whether or not it can be really confirmed though.

Fair enough. Wasn't looking at Fantasy and really forgot about the nids release.

Lets get one thing straight. There is no reason GW charges so much for their items..... They are freaken awesome plastic models, but they are plastic a cheap easily accessible. I still remember when battleforces had ruins and decent stuff in them Example for $60 bucks you could get IG with ruins, A leaman russ tank, HQ squad, 3 Heavy Weapons and 20 inf. now for $114 you get a worthless sentinal, 20 inf, HQ squad, and 3 Heavy weapons. In my local store they have a few old Fantasy single Calvary units. These metal models still have the old price tag of 4.99 on the back, but in present times the same unit costs 15............ Thank goodness for kickstarter and the other companies that are making better looking models for cheaper.

The Mega Forces just seem to be a better way to start an army with one big purchase. A lot of new players only have about a 1000pt list and the megas come with enough to do that, plus a couple things of your liking.

The problem I had with the Battle Force box sets, is that they were really only good for buffing your army. This was always a problem for me becasue when I got to the point that that might help, I did not need a third or fourth troops choice.

At my local store (not a GW shop), they have not sold a Battle force in months. and they have a punch card system that gives you 20% off after spending like $200, so if you buy one with that, it cuts off a lot of the profit they make on them.

In my opinion only, I think the Mega sets are a better way to get someone to start a new army, they give a pile of models to start a list and a respectable discount all together. Saves on shipping, tax, and convenience.

nuke knight wrote:
Lets get one thing straight. There is no reason GW charges so much for their items..... They are freaken awesome plastic models, but they are plastic a cheap easily accessible. I still remember when battleforces had ruins and decent stuff in them Example for $60 bucks you could get IG with ruins, A leaman russ tank, HQ squad, 3 Heavy Weapons and 20 inf. now for $114 you get a worthless sentinal, 20 inf, HQ squad, and 3 Heavy weapons. In my local store they have a few old Fantasy single Calvary units. These metal models still have the old price tag of 4.99 on the back, but in present times the same unit costs 15............ Thank goodness for kickstarter and the other companies that are making better looking models for cheaper.

Too right mate, i remember when plastics were first introduced-GW said the steel molds would be in use for ever and as they re-couped the high initial mold costs the models would get cheaper and cheaper as the plastic itself was almost worthless, instead the older lines are removed and the price goes up and up -imagine if they re-issued the original Skeleton army box today, if i remember correctly there were something like 60 inf, a chariot and 8(i think) cavelry today if you buy from Black Tree Designs at the right time of year you can get metal for less than GW plastics.